Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Not a bad performance but i really did think that no one stood out. I prefer Heskey to Crouch
Big Ol' Bob Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Not a fooking lot he could do tonight, being told to stay in the middle by Capello with about 5 Andorra players constantly at his feet. Would have liked to have seen Carlton Cole given a go towards the end but we had obviously used up our subs.
martyn Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 For all his limitations, Crouch criticism to this level is ridiculous. "Michael the Work Geordie" should perhaps watch the game again and then say his "flick ons go nowhere" with a straight face, one lovely little flick initiated the 6th goal ffs.
MarkDeVries Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Quality performance, though tbh you can't judge any player on how they played against Andorra. They are just f*****g awful.
Mikey Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Johnson was top notch tonight, I too thought Beckham's passing was exceptional. Don't say this. LD3 will bite your head off!
Darkzzz_ Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Don't say this. LD3 will bite your head off! He can bite my ass off while he is there. *How can I say this about LD3, such a nice lad!
lildave3 Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Don't say this. LD3 will bite your head off! Only if he goes onto to repeat it and jizz over it at every oppurtunity for the next 90 minutes.
Uncle Albert Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Well that was entertaining. How it wasn't more than 6 I will never know, they were woeful but who cares we have won another game, one win away from South Africa, scored 11 goals in our last two qualifiers and Rooney has 8 in 7 England games. Crouch done what was expected of him to be fair, Capello told him to stand in the middle of the centre halfs and piss them off. From what I seen tonight he done that and got himself a goal. Yea he is know Heskey in an England shirt but no need to get on his back. Defoe was hardly brilliant tonight but he got himself two goals so fairplay. Glen Johnson certainly made up for his poor performance against Kazakstan, his balls into the box tonight were first class. Best part of the night was seeing Beckham start and seeing him spread the ball about with such ease, even though his balls into the box were below average. Ashley Young I thought was pretty poor when he came on aswell. Surprised Kazakstan only lost 2-1 to Ukraine aswell tonight.
Darkzzz_ Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Only if he goes onto to repeat it and jizz over it at every oppurtunity for the next 90 minutes. I am not ITV.
lildave3 Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Had 6-0 Rooney 1st goal , £5 at 18/1 Unbelievable shout that!
TrickyTrev Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 This.Johnson at right-back is a very interesting future option, would like to see how he fares against better opposition after tonight. Beckham's perforrmance tonight just shows why the loss of the pace isn't really a major concern, his game was never about pace because with distribution like that he's never needed to be Walcott quick. Beckham is a useful player when you are on top of the opposition or in the need of a goal. He can play in central midfield and spray passes about with a consistency that Lampard and Carrick could only dream of and at the same time make any set play a goal scoring opportunity. If the other team have 10 men behind the ball it doesn't really matter that he can't run or tackle. I imagine he will go to the world cup as a substitute in this role, and be a useful player.
Basingstoke Fox Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 It was a joke because he said everytime he predicts the score, the team he wants to win, lose That was me! It was a fooking boring game, the atmosphere is nothing compared to Leicester games (which I expected) but overall it was a good day. Also that Nick Collins wished Leicester the best of luck for next sesason though he is a Gillingham fan. It was a good day but a shite game! (Despite the goals) Edit: Is there anywhere where I might be able to watch the highlights of that interview? I want to see it.
Ultra Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Beckham is a useful player when you are on top of the opposition or in the need of a goal. He can play in central midfield and spray passes about with a consistency that Lampard and Carrick could only dream of and at the same time make any set play a goal scoring opportunity. If the other team have 10 men behind the ball it doesn't really matter that he can't run or tackle. I imagine he will go to the world cup as a substitute in this role, and be a useful player. It's pretty much nailed on that Beckham will be part of next summer's squad. He's persuaded Capello that he should be allowed to have a shot at Peter Shilton's appearances record. But I'd like to see him against quality opposition. If he can play well against Croatia then I may be convinced by him.
Radovan's Caravan Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 While we haven't won anything since 1966, England have produced numerous world class players since then. Gascoigne, Lineker, Hoddle, Shearer, Beckham, Barnes, Owen (in his prime), Gerrard and Lampard. Let's not forget that Italy went 44 years between World Cups (1938 and 1982) and Spain went nearly fifty years before winning their second European Championship in 2008. Neither they nor Holland have ever won the World Cup, in spite of the former hosting it in 1982. Past underachievement does not necessarily indicate future lack of achievement. You just need your players to click over a four week tournament, if England do that in 2010, they'll be in with a shout.As I said 'over inflated.' Cruyff moved Lineker out to the flanks at Barcelona - appalled by his low technical ability. And Gullitt at Newcastle dropped Shearer altogether for the same reason. Barnes was ineffective at international level (and it was your own fans who booed and monkey chanted him) as is the arch clubman Lampard. Maradona recently said of Beckham 'there are hundreds of players like him' and if it wasn't for his provenance, his wife and his looks he'd still be warming a bench at Preston. So that leaves Gascoigne, Hoddle and Owen. The first two, though technically gifted lacked pace, and you need both attributes to be considered genuinely world class. Owen has dined for far too long off his outrageous goal in '98 (Defoe has been the better player since '02 and can hardly be considered world class). None of the above compare to the current/recent crop of greats (Ronaldinho, The Ronaldos, KaKa, Messi etc) let alone the immortals. Your heroes are just puffed up carp in a medium sized pond. Italy it should be remembered were European Champions in '68 and World Cup runners up in '70 (to the greatest side to have won the tournament). The Dutch were runners-up two World Cups running in '74 and '78 with a style still spoken of with reverance today ('total football'). On both occasions they were unfortunate to face the host nations and their filthy tricks. Holland were European champions in 1988 thanks to journeymen like Van Basten, Gullitt & Rijkaard - mere pygmies, of course, compared to your stars. Spain, indeed, have been perennial underachievers but they have had a political problem that we here in Eastern Europe are all too familiar with - too many players did not and still do not identify with the national team. Asking a Catalan or Basque to play for Spain is rather like asking an Irishman or Scot to play for England. By throwing up these examples you miss the point. It's not the lack of recent success that counts against the chance of your future success - it's your technical deficiencies. In fact it's even worse than that - it's the fact that you are blind to your trechnical deficiencies. The weakest argument in a generally weak post. France are a fading side, as anyone who watched anything of Euro 2008 will be able to testify. A poor side living on past glories coming to the end of its' life as a world force. If at least 20 sides would knock us out of the World Cup, you shouldn't have too much trouble naming 10 of them. I challenge you to do so. On pedigree/current form the following 10 sides would have no problems in halting the progress of England in South Africa: Brazil, Argentina, Spain, France, Netherlands, Denmark, Russia, Germany, Serbia and Italy (10) The following African sides will be a completely different proposition on African soil (though the ludicrously named 'African Cup of Nations' being held just six months before and African officials trousering their own players' fees won't help): Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana and South Africa (4) England would not like to meet their fellow hoofballers in the knock out stages: USA, Eire and Australia (3) These dark horses have the potential to embarrass you: Paraguay, Greece, Japan (3) We are already up to 20 and we haven't even looked at those sides with either no chance or only an outside chance of qualifying. Some of them are in preposterously difficult groups (ie Group One): Portugal, Sweden, Sarajevo Slumdogs (3) England will do well to reach the QF's again. Too many quality teams around now to rumble a weak team with a generally weak style... The reason why many younger players can't get into the side is because we already have experienced world-class players filling their positions. Gerrard and Lampard are still in their prime, and replacing a defender of John Terry's experience and ability would be madness. Walcott and Rooney are the two most famous examples of young players in the squad, but Young, Agbonlahor, Richards, Milner and Onuoha (you may remember the last one, a number of your moron fans were monkey chanting whenever he got the ball at the U21 Championships) are all future England stars. The recent performances of the England under-21 side (12 goals without reply in the last two games) should tell you that rumours of our demise are greatly exaggerated. Strange how none of your 'big four' have come in for them. Strange how the Villa manager was derided for describing Young as 'world class' and how that club's supporters booed Agbonlahor for half a season. Strange how Milner has yet to win a cap at the grand old age of 23. Stange too how Richards has become one of the forgotten men of the Capello era. As far as On-who-a? is concerned I can assure him that there are worse things in life than being taunted by ignorant football fans (like having 1,000lb bombs dropped on you). Bzzt! Wrong. Arsenal are producing players like Gibbs and Wilshere, neither out of their teens but both have seen Champions League action this season. Hardly Accrington Stanley v Macclesfield on a wet Tuesday night. Same with Danny Welbeck at Manchester United. Arsene Wenger has also said in Four Four Two magazine that he envies the man who will managing England at the 2018 World Cup, because the amount of talented players this country is producing will put us among the favourites to win the thing. I can asure you that all these players will be discarded within a couple of seasons and play out their careers with mid table clubs IF THEY ARE LUCKY. They are certainly not prodigies otherwise they would already have been capped a la Rooney & Walcott.These clubs European/African/South American supply lines provide too much REAL talent. The EPL contains the lowest percentage of native players of the major European leagues and your top four clubs have the lowest percentage of all. It's interesting how your old media debates about national selection have completely dissipated (anyone playing regular Champions League is in). Arsene Wenger's comments are indeed ironic considering he has played fewer English players than any other manager for several seasons. Give me a list of world-class Serbian players. Nemanja Vidic....... My 'enforcer' has beaten me to it. We'll see how your 'world class' compares with our 'world class' next year... We've already had a lesson from one 'minor footballing power' in Croatia. The performances put together under Capello suggest that lesson has been heeded. The Sarajevo slumdogs will be using you as lamp posts again in September...
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 This is a comment from watch only parts of your games but from what i have seen Capello seems to actually be using a very good formation and game plan that is working for you guys. How have you guys rated him as a manager as he seems to have you playing to this game plan and you seem a more solid team both in attack and defence.
Guest Bilo Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 As I said 'over inflated.' Cruyff moved Lineker out to the flanks at Barcelona - appalled by his low technical ability. And Gullitt at Newcastle dropped Shearer altogether for the same reason. Barnes was ineffective at international level (and it was your own fans who booed and monkey chanted him) as is the arch clubman Lampard. Lineker is the second highest England scorer of all time with 48 goals and is still revered in Barcelona for a hat-trick scored in one of El Clasico games. Shearer was also the most expensive player in the world when Newcastle paid £15 million for him in 1996 and Barnes ineffective at international level? That just shows that your hostility to England is getting in the way of your common sense. It doesn't get much more effective than embarrassing Brazil at the Maracana. Maradona recently said of Beckham 'there are hundreds of players like him' and if it wasn't for his provenance, his wife and his looks he'd still be warming a bench at Preston. So that leaves Gascoigne, Hoddle and Owen. The first two, though technically gifted lacked pace, and you need both attributes to be considered genuinely world class. Maradona also denied for twenty years that he cheated at Mexico 86 when the world knew he did. He has long rubbished any England side or player to anybody who will listen because he, like yourself, has a major problem with England as a nation. I wouldn't listen too much to past footballer's opinions either, wasn't it Pele who insisted an African team would win the World Cup by 2000? Past greats on the pitch are not necessarily good pundits, and I wouldn't race down to the betting shop to place money on their latest predictions. Gascoigne and Hoddle embarrassed defences at international level and European club level, and that's taking into consideration the injuries sustained by the former. Owen has dined for far too long off his outrageous goal in '98 (Defoe has been the better player since '02 and can hardly be considered world class). None of the above compare to the current/recent crop of greats (Ronaldinho, The Ronaldos, KaKa, Messi etc) let alone the immortals. Your heroes are just puffed up carp in a medium sized pond. The first part of this paragraph is literally the only sensible thing you've written on this thread. That's why I qualified Owen'w world-class status with the words 'in his prime.' His prime is way back for a number of reasons, but at his best he was a frightening prospect. It all goes a bit down hill with the second half of the paragraph though. 'THe Ronaldos' seems an odd inclusion when the Brazilian Ronaldo has been past it for about four years and the Portuguest one has been largely outshone by Rooney this season at club and international level. Hence Rooney's eight goals in seven qualifiers, making him Europe's highest scorer. Italy it should be remembered were European Champions in '68 and World Cup runners up in '70 (to the greatest side to have won the tournament). The Dutch were runners-up two World Cups running in '74 and '78 with a style still spoken of with reverance today ('total football'). On both occasions they were unfortunate to face the host nations and their filthy tricks. Holland were European champions in 1988 thanks to journeymen like Van Basten, Gullitt & Rijkaard - mere pygmies, of course, compared to your stars. The reason Van Basten et al are spoken with such reverence is because they won the tournament. Had things gone differently for them and they'd been knocked out at the quarter-final as England have for the past few years, they'd have been forgotten by now. People only ever remember the winners. The Dutch do have a history of playing some wonderful football and their style is one I've wished England would emulate. Doesn't change the fact that as a footballing nation, their silverware count is identical to Denmark and Greece. Spain, indeed, have been perennial underachievers but they have had a political problem that we here in Eastern Europe are all too familiar with - too many players did not and still do not identify with the national team. Asking a Catalan or Basque to play for Spain is rather like asking an Irishman or Scot to play for England. Yet they do play for Spain. Puyol, the captain of Barcelona and therefore the ultimate expression of Catalan football, has racked up 73 games for Spain. Iniesta, Garcia, Xavi and Fabregas are other examples of Catalans playing for Spain. Basque examples include Asier Del Horno and Joseba Exteberria. So some of Spain's most important players are, by your logic, reluctant to even turn out for the team. By throwing up these examples you miss the point. It's not the lack of recent success that counts against the chance of your future success - it's your technical deficiencies. In fact it's even worse than that - it's the fact that you are blind to your trechnical deficiencies. The same technical deficiencies that have allowed us to join Holland and Spain as the only footballing nations with a 100% record in qualifying? The same technical deficiencies that allowed us to beat the highly rated Croatians 4-1 on their own patch, the first home defeat they'd suffered in 14 years? The same technical deficiencies that have made us the highest scorers in Europe? On pedigree/current form the following 10 sides would have no problems in halting the progress of England in South Africa: Brazil, Argentina, Spain, France, Netherlands, Denmark, Russia, Germany, Serbia and Italy (10) Brazil, Argentina, Spain and the Netherlands are teams I would be worried about facing. France are fading fast as I've mentioned, Russia qualified at our expense for Euro 2008 because of our deficiencies under McClaren (now evaporated under Capello) and we did outclass them 3-0 at Wembley under the worst England manager in 15 years. Italy were awful at Euro 2008 and there is little to suggest improvement, and Germany are another team living on past reputation. Serbia have potential, but that hasn't translated into any meaningful success as of yet. So 4 out of 10. The following African sides will be a completely different proposition on African soil (though the ludicrously named 'African Cup of Nations' being held just six months before and African officials trousering their own players' fees won't help): Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana and South Africa (4) Nigeria are dark horses to do well, but the quality of their squad is inferior to most European big guns. Cote d'Ivoire deserve respect primarily because of Drogba up front, but one world-class player does not make a world-class team. Ghana are decent, but onve again, England's all round talent would probably win through and South Africa wouldn't even be there if they weren't hosts. They'll be another Austria, weak hosts and will consider anything other than 3 defeats in the group stage a success. 0 out of 4. England would not like to meet their fellow hoofballers in the knock out stages: USA, Eire and Australia (3) Can't believe I'm even responding to this one. We've already played the USA off the pitch with a 2-0 win, and beaten on their own patch with a second-string England side. Probably the easiest one to contradict so far. Eire aren't a bad side, but their best player is Robbie Keane, who failed miserably at Liverpool suggesting that top-four Premiership defenders are more than capable of handling the Irish threat. Australia are a good side on their day, as Italy found in 2006, but will do well to get out of any group they're drawn in. These dark horses have the potential to embarrass you: Paraguay, Greece, Japan (3) All three of these teams would be difficult to break down because of their defensive set-ups. That's about it though. We are already up to 20 (only we aren't, most of them are wishful thinking on your part) and we haven't even looked at those sides with either no chance or only an outside chance of qualifying. Some of them are in preposterously difficult groups (ie Group One): Portugal, Sweden, Croatia(3) Slightly more sensible, both are bogey teams to us and we have everything to prove against them if recent history is anything to go by. Already beaten Croatia away and will expect to do so at home. So 6 out of 20. Well done. England will do well to reach the QF's again. Too many quality teams around now to rumble a weak team with a generally weak style... I'll say it again. 100% record, highest scorers............ Strange how none of your 'big four' have come in for them. Strange how the Villa manager was derided for describing Young as 'world class' and how that club's supporters booed Agbonlahor for half a season. Strange how Milner has yet to win a cap at the grand old age of 23. Stange too how Richards has become one of the forgotten men of the Capello era. As far as On-who-a? is concerned I can assure him that there are worse things in life than being taunted by ignorant football fans (like having 1,000lb bombs dropped on you). All are young and will make their mistakes. They will learn from them and become better players, as will Brazilian players, Argentinian players, Spanish players and even Serb megastars-in-waiting. Richards has had a bad season by his standards, but the performance of Johnson last night shows there is cover in that position. The last part of your paragraph shows your real problem with England. It isn't football but politics that drives your hostility, which undermines any credibility your arguments might have had. I can asure you that all these players will be discarded within a couple of seasons and play out their careers with mid table clubs IF THEY ARE LUCKY. They are certainly not prodigies otherwise they would already have been capped a la Rooney & Walcott.These clubs European/African/South American supply lines provide too much REAL talent. Any evidence to back this up? Wilshere is 16 and Gibbs is 17, very few players are capped at this point, even 'prodigies.' Wishful thinking again. The EPL contains the lowest percentage of native players of the major European leagues and your top four clubs have the lowest percentage of all. It's interesting how your old media debates about national selection have completely dissipated (anyone playing regular Champions League is in). Arsene Wenger's comments are indeed ironic considering he has played fewer English players than any other manager for several seasons. There has been a problem with bringing through English players in recent years, but the number of young players just beginning to break in shows that problem is on its way to being solved. Wenger has long talked about bringing through a generation of home-grown English players to the side, and the suggestion seems to be that they will be the first of many. My 'enforcer' has beaten me to it. We'll see how your 'world class' compares with our 'world class' next year... And I've pointed out that they are nothing but potential. You can only be considered 'world-class' when you have actually made a significant contribution to your team's success (and winning weak leagues is most definitely not equal to EPL and Champions League success). The Sarajevo slumdogs A nationalist slur on Croatia, FoxesTalkers will be using you as lamp posts again in September... On the evidence of recent displays from both sides, they won't.
CosbehFox Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 Sarajevo Slumdogs is a slur on Bosnia, not Croatia. Bosnia have a decent chance of qualification.
Guest Bilo Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 Sarajevo Slumdogs is a slur on Bosnia, not Croatia. Bosnia have a decent chance of qualification. I thought that at first. but he made a reference to them 'using as lamp-posts again in September,' so he must mean Croatia. It's probably more of an ethnic insult at Bosnian Croats.
Bert Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 Went last night. It was alright, Andorra were really shit though. I thought Beckham ran the show myself, Glen Johnson had a stormer too. Had Rooney 5-0 so I was annoyed Crouch scored. But I did have a quid on 6-0 too.
StanSP Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 Just read that there wasn't a single Andorra fan spotted in the stadium. Apart from the 11 mascots.
Basingstoke Fox Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 Just read that there wasn't a single Andorra fan spotted in the stadium. Apart from the 11 mascots. I was an Andorra fan, I had 2 quid on them after saying on SSN that they would beat England . If they had achieved the impossible then I would have been £130 up now
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