Fosse Boys - Leicester City Ultras

[anotherharboroughfox]

Well this is absolutely ridiculous and i shall be coming to support you during the next home game

perhaps with a bag of confetti

[Jackirius]

I can't see how anyone would not want the Fosse Boys as a supporters group. It is strange to think that people condemn the group. What are they trying to do? All they are trying to do is have some fun and get behind their team.... Is that really wrong. If you don't like it then just don't comment on it, not really that hard is it. They are creating (from what i have seen/heard) a better atmosphere down at the stadium. I know i haven't been at many games this season (due to me living in Naaarwich), but i really do think that the Fosse Boys are creating a better atmosphere down at the walkers. I can't see how you can be much of a supporter if you criticize a set of your own fans who are only trying to get behind the team and bolster the experience from people visiting the Walkers.

Good Luck and keep going guys.

[Ozwin]

People love to fight the power, just get it out there that the stewards and the club are being nob heads and you'll get loads of people joining you purely for some good old fashioned confrontation. From what I hear some people went over to the FB area today to show their support so you've already got something going, just need to show the club up a bit and you're laughing.

[m00nie]

I can't see how anyone would not want the Fosse Boys as a supporters group. It is strange to think that people condemn the group. What are they trying to do? All they are trying to do is have some fun and get behind their team.... Is that really wrong. If you don't like it then just don't comment on it, not really that hard is it. They are creating (from what i have seen/heard) a better atmosphere down at the stadium. I know i haven't been at many games this season (due to me living in Naaarwich), but i really do think that the Fosse Boys are creating a better atmosphere down at the walkers. I can't see how you can be much of a supporter if you criticize a set of your own fans who are only trying to get behind the team and bolster the experience from people visiting the Walkers.

Good Luck and keep going guys.

to me it statements like that that put people off.. saying your not a supporter if you dont back the fb is bollox imo..

how was walking out during a game being a supporter??? what support for the team was there there?? (im not having a dig at the fb walking out just using that as example)..

i think everyone wants the atmosphere improved but does not mean you have to agree with everything the fbs do..

even the fbs themselves have discussed some of the different views people have mentioned before and seen people have different views on things..

read a few times now people saying if you dont like things dont comment well why should people stay quiet? surely it would be boring if the only people who posted agreed with the events and it wouldnt give you an open view, which by the way can help at times as sometimes you can be to involved to see things..

[Jackirius]

to me it statements like that that put people off.. saying your not a supporter if you dont back the fb is bollox imo..

how was walking out during a game being a supporter??? what support for the team was there there?? (im not having a dig at the fb walking out just using that as example)..

i think everyone wants the atmosphere improved but does not mean you have to agree with everything the fbs do..

even the fbs themselves have discussed some of the different views people have mentioned before and seen people have different views on things..

read a few times now people saying if you dont like things dont comment well why should people stay quiet? surely it would be boring if the only people who posted agreed with the events and it wouldnt give you an open view, which by the way can help at times as sometimes you can be to involved to see things..

If you look i didn't actually say for them to back the Fosse Boys but only not to criticize them.

[m00nie]

If you look i didn't actually say for them to back the Fosse Boys but only not to criticize them.

putting a stupid picture dont make your point any more valid.. in fact it makes it worse as the argument is still very valid

just because someone criticizes them does not make them any less of a supporter..

[Jackirius]

putting a stupid picture dont make your point any more valid.. in fact it makes it worse as the argument is still very valid

just because someone criticizes them does not make them any less of a supporter..

What i'm saying is that i don't see why our own fans would criticize the Fosse Boys when all they are doing is trying to get behind the team. If they were causing a disturbance to someone then i would understand but they aren't.

[JoeS]

I'm not a big fan of this ultra stuff.

I personally think we should concentrate on getting some noise out of the place is any way, flags aren't necessarily gonna make us win the game but cheering our team may make a difference,

Also, ( I hate to moan but...) I'm not a big fan of the singing of old songs, I think we should b supporting our current team rather than singing about iwan Roberts ?

I sit in the kop At the moment and I think that if the fosse boys became part of the kop then it could b the encouragement that a few individuals need to make some more noise.

Only an opinion

[m00nie]

What i'm saying is that i don't see why our own fans would criticize the Fosse Boys when all they are doing is trying to get behind the team. If they were causing a disturbance to someone then i would understand but they aren't.

but how is walking out of the game getting behind the team??

as i said, people want them to succeed and want the atmosphere improved but does not mean they have to agree with everything they do, and that certainly dont make them any less of a supporter for saying so..

[Bert]

I'd rather ring about Iwan roberts than portsmouth, or some european chant that no-one else knows.

I'd rather sing about Iwan roberts than portsmouth, or some european chant that no-one else knows.

[m00nie]

I'm not a big fan of this ultra stuff.

I personally think we should concentrate on getting some noise out of the place is any way, flags aren't necessarily gonna make us win the game but cheering our team may make a difference,

Also, ( I hate to moan but...) I'm not a big fan of the singing of old songs, I think we should b supporting our current team rather than singing about iwan Roberts ?

I sit in the kop At the moment and I think that if the fosse boys became part of the kop then it could b the encouragement that a few individuals need to make some more noise.

Only an opinion

i kind of agree with some parts of this, i would like to see the fb concentrate solely on there singing for a while..

forget the banners, forget the flags, forget the confetti (however petty the club may seem on it) and just sing..

that would give the club very little to have against them, help to raise the noise and hopefully improve the much needed atmosphere..

dont agree with the old songs part though, especially the iwan song.. to me thats one of the best songs of all times so its always great to hear it... brings back great memories.. remembers how the atmosphere used to be in the old kop.. so i like the mix old old and new...

[1964FOX]

I'm not a big fan of this ultra stuff.

I personally think we should concentrate on getting some noise out of the place is any way, flags aren't necessarily gonna make us win the game but cheering our team may make a difference,

Also, ( I hate to moan but...) I'm not a big fan of the singing of old songs, I think we should b supporting our current team rather than singing about iwan Roberts ?

I sit in the kop At the moment and I think that if the fosse boys became part of the kop then it could b the encouragement that a few individuals need to make some more noise.

Only an opinion

Difficult to find a set of 30 vacant seats in the main part ofthe Kop, the club also were selective about where they would let us go.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Firstly, this isn't Tienanmen Square and there's no column of tanks, making a martyr of yourself will reap no rewards other than a sense of self-satisfaction from your self-imposed exile. And while you might feel better about yourself for standing by your morals (and I have no intention of belittling that, it's a worthy thing to do) I don't, personally, believe that it will sufficiently offset the disappointment of missing an entire season's home games.

You aren't going to change anything, you aren't even going to make a dent, so it isn't worth it. That's not me being negative, if you could implement even the tiniest change then I'd be encouraging. But you simply can't. Modern football is bigger than the supporters, it'll take the fall of a major club for you to see change - not the withdrawal of some supporters. So the best you can do is enjoy yourself and your life.

At the end of the day the club have a product that you very, very much want. Any fan that claims they're content to stay away and don't need to go and watch home games isn't really just lying to us, they're lying to themselves.

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As for relocating to L1 - I have long, long felt that the single biggest flaw in the atmosphere at the Walkers' Stadium is the fact that we have two singing sections. This, ultimately, is completely moronic. Where a club's attendees already have limited singing numbers as it is, further dividing yourself and then bemoaning the lack of atmosphere is a ridiculous thing to do. This is not a criticism of the Fosse Boys but more broadly at our entire vocal support.

To that end, I think you'd do a better job of "creating atmosphere within the ground" by lending your support to either L1 or the main singing section of the Kop and commit to using your organization and creativity to helping them (and that's actually helping them with what they want, not by trying to drown them out and hoping THEY sing YOUR songs) instead of persisting with warring against the club as a small collection of youths who, sadly (and I mean sadly, I'm not goading you) can't be heard by anyone more than a few blocks away from you.

You're out to create atmosphere within the ground but you're really just creating atmosphere for yourselves. Now that's fine, sincerely, you should enjoy the game as best you possibly can. That's your prerogative.

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Personally, if it was me, I'd go back to roots. There's no point giving up entirely, you clearly have a good thing going and it's clearly appreciated by a lot of the club's supporters. And more importantly, you're clearly having fun.

But you need to find an output for your efforts that's rewarded vocally within the ground without causing hostility with the club. The club are a far more intelligent PR machine than you are and they have the weight of the law behind them, there's no point trying to take them on.

In your shoes I would, as stated, try and ally yourselves with some of the more vocal supporters already in the ground and try and encourage some of the more traditional Leicester songs from Filbert Street - things people will remember. Stick to what people know, make it easy for them to join in and get them hooked before you take it further.

And once you started bringing others in and have a foundation within the existing vocal sections - THEN start bringing in newer songs, banners, TIFO, whatever. But bring it in slowly - give people time to adjust.

That's just my two penneth, since you invited it.

The best and most realistic post in the whole of this 130+ page thread.

The biggest problem you have had has been yourselves and the militant way you seem to want to run things. Without compromise the whole thing was doomed to fail. The added fact that this is England not Germany/Italy etc means that only a very limited amount of fans were ever going to be interested in what you wanted to do.

[accessory]

Unfortunately I can't explain everything that has happened between the group and the club as that would not be professional, but promises were made and a verbal agreement on how we would conduct the process between the club and the group has been set up. There have been promises of allowing other things in addition to singing and standing (but not persistantly). I have a god knowledge of Health and Safety legislation so I know where the issues are but it is the 'ambush' tactics that were used that have upset me. My expectationis that both parties keep to agreements and discuss issues prior to any negative action being taken.

You are being incredibly naive about the way Kevin Barclay operates. This misjudgement is a failure of leadership and is really holding the Fosse Boys back - perhaps fatally.

Bilo DO NOT GIVE UP The group will take a long time to grow to decent numbers, we will have issues and face hurdles from the club but it can work if we persevere. The extras like flags will come but we must not buckle at the first sign of a problem. You had left the ground when 4 older fans tried to join us as they believed we had been treated badly. The stewards stopped them but when it was 20 joining us they relented and let them all come over. By the end of the game there was at least 50 people standing and singing with the Fosse Boys. If they had left us alone there would have been 25 - own goal

Warning - Confetti may combust spontaneously keep children clear.

The walkout , no matter how well-intentioned, has set the Fosse Boys back big-time. Following on from the ill-advised pro-Pompey chants last week and the even more misguided episode last month regarding the flag, it's not surprising that the group is "on a life-support system" right now.

The group needs to meet VERY soon and review its tactics, and consider whether it can recover the ground that has been lost during the past few weeks.

It had the tacit backing of many City fans. Comments on here and elsewhere indicate this is no longer the case.

[Marmite]

Its about time people got off the Fosse Boys back and helped support them. Yesterday was a joke they were trying so hard to get everyone to sing in the Kop but instead of joining in everyone just looks at them like they dropped out of the sky. What is wrong with you people !!!!!!! Why do you chose to sit in the kop and not help create an atmosphere ? If you dont want to sing go and sit in the family stand or west stand its crazy we have season tickets in the kop and we were standing up clapping and some supporters were giving us filthy looks, one guy even asked me to be quiet.

In the second half we moved up and sat with them to help try and create an atmosphere and we are thinking of moving our season tickets up there to.

The Fosse Boys are doing this for OUR club its not there job and gain no financial benefit out of it they are purely passionate supporters who want to generate an atmosphere in our stadium.

Look at the Newcastle game last season when the ground was nearly full to the brim and the atmosphere was electric the players were awesome even though we played with 10 men for the majority of the game.

The atmosphere has an big impact on the players and at this present time its crap because no one is prepared to change apart from the Fosse Boys

Look at grounds like our local rivals Nottingham Forest they had a terrific home record last season and the club put alot of it down to the atmosphere the fans generated, same with Norwich City there manager said the same thing.

So why don't you all get off there backs and HELP them out !!!! Stop winging if you dont like singing and atmosphere then football is not for you

Keep doing what your doing Fosse Boys, If every home game you can get a few more people to join you then in a couple of season the Walkers should be buzzing like it should be

[AoWW]

Its about time people got off the Fosse Boys back and helped support them. Yesterday was a joke they were trying so hard to get everyone to sing in the Kop but instead of joining in everyone just looks at them like they dropped out of the sky. What is wrong with you people !!!!!!! Why do you chose to sit in the kop and not help create an atmosphere ? If you dont want to sing go and sit in the family stand or west stand its crazy we have season tickets in the kop and we were standing up clapping and some supporters were giving us filthy looks, one guy even asked me to be quiet.

In the second half we moved up and sat with them to help try and create an atmosphere and we are thinking of moving our season tickets up there to.

The Fosse Boys are doing this for OUR club its not there job and gain no financial benefit out of it they are purely passionate supporters who want to generate an atmosphere in our stadium.

Look at the Newcastle game last season when the ground was nearly full to the brim and the atmosphere was electric the players were awesome even though we played with 10 men for the majority of the game.

The atmosphere has an big impact on the players and at this present time its crap because no one is prepared to change apart from the Fosse Boys

Look at grounds like our local rivals Nottingham Forest they had a terrific home record last season and the club put alot of it down to the atmosphere the fans generated, same with Norwich City there manager said the same thing.

So why don't you all get off there backs and HELP them out !!!! Stop winging if you dont like singing and atmosphere then football is not for you

Keep doing what your doing Fosse Boys, If every home game you can get a few more people to join you then in a couple of season the Walkers should be buzzing like it should be

When are you going to realise that others have the right to support the club in whatever way they choose (providing it complies with ground regulations blah, blah)? It's this 'we're better supporters than you' attitude that's really starting to turn some people off the Fosse Boys. Perhaps people (many of whom have been going to football for a long, long time) don't appreciate being told how they should support their club or where they should sit. As for 'no one is prepared to change apart from the Fosse Boys' - oh, please, get over it.

I fail to see how walking out in an apparent strop in support of other Fosse Boys was helping to contribute to the atmosphere.

[Marmite]

When are you going to realise that others have the right to support the club in whatever way they choose (providing it complies with ground regulations blah, blah)? It's this 'we're better supporters than you' attitude that's really starting to turn some people off the Fosse Boys. Perhaps people (many of whom have been going to football for a long, long time) don't appreciate being told how they should support their club or where they should sit. As for 'no one is prepared to change apart from the Fosse Boys' - oh, please, get over it.

I fail to see how walking out in an apparent strop in support of other Fosse Boys was helping to contribute to the atmosphere.

I dont think its a case of the Fosse Boys saying they are better fans than anyone else but sitting there in silence and not singing is hardly supporting there side is it ? Im not saying I expect every fan to be jumping about but when they were singing 'Svens Blue and White Army' people could clap and help the lack of atmosphere the stadium has.

[Fosse Boy]

I'd rather ring about Iwan roberts than portsmouth, or some european chant that no-one else knows.

Bert, I admitted the Portsmouth chant was stupid. I shouldn't have started it, it was daft. Plus the whole European chant thing really is hugely minimal in comparison to the traditional and current Leicester or English-style songs we're singing.

[AoWW]

I dont think its a case of the Fosse Boys saying they are better fans than anyone else but sitting there in silence and not singing is hardly supporting there side is it ? Im not saying I expect every fan to be jumping about but when they were singing 'Svens Blue and White Army' people could clap and help the lack of atmosphere the stadium has.

Ok, maybe the Fosse Boys don't see themselves as better fans (debatable) but your post certainly gave the impression that you think other fans are INFERIOR to them. Comments such as "what's wrong with you people!!!!!', 'everyone looks at them like they dropped out of the sky' and 'stop whinging' oddly enough will get people's backs up. To be honest I feel for the Fosse Boys as they've got an uphill battle - it seems more and more people joining them don't have the forethought not to publicly spout such opinions and it's doing their cause no good whatsoever, it just alienates others who have, after all, also paid to be there and have just as much right to support the team in their own way.

[EnglishOxide]

Ok, maybe the Fosse Boys don't see themselves as better fans (debatable) but your post certainly gave the impression that you think other fans are INFERIOR to them. Comments such as "what's wrong with you people!!!!!', 'everyone looks at them like they dropped out of the sky' and 'stop whinging' oddly enough will get people's backs up. To be honest I feel for the Fosse Boys as they've got an uphill battle - it seems more and more people joining them don't have the forethought not to publicly spout such opinions and it's doing their cause no good whatsoever, it just alienates others who have, after all, also paid to be there and have just as much right to support the team in their own way.

So, you are saying that those who paid for their tickets, and sit in silence and don't contribute to the atmosphere have the right to criticise but not the right to be criticised?

If the Fosse Boys want to do that though, apparently they are alienating themselves and should be slapped down...

[anotherharboroughfox]

This is now getting ridiculous

if this carries on The Walkers will become like Lords with no flags and polite applause for a goal!

[Tommeh]

Pagey got it spot on with that post. It's quite clear that many are in the kop for a bit of extra reputation and contribut fack all to what the whole point of the stand is. The same can be said about L1, a place where yoofs can stand surrounded by some decent folk, give it the big one and brag to their mates after.

It's a bit like being at a gig and standing right in the middle at the front trying to sing every word, take photos and not move despite a huge moshpit going on around you, complete killjoys and the WS is full of them...

And no before you start your "better fan" drivel, I'm not part of the fosse boys so don't let my views tarnish their rep, please.

[AoWW]

So, you are saying that those who paid for their tickets, and sit in silence and don't contribute to the atmosphere have the right to criticise but not the right to be criticised?

If the Fosse Boys want to do that though, apparently they are alienating themselves and should be slapped down...

Not at all. I'm saying that all fans have equal right to support the club in whatever way they want to. And, apart from the occasional glares and mutterings from the flask brigade, I'm not hearing much criticism from them, whereas a small minority of those lending their support to the Fosse Boys (not the actual Fosse Boys themselves, in fairness) seem to think they have carte blanche to take a pop at other 'lesser' fans whenever they choose.

[anotherharboroughfox]

Pagey got it spot on with that post. It's quite clear that many are in the kop for a bit of extra reputation and contribut fack all to what the whole point of the stand is. The same can be said about L1, a place where yoofs can stand surrounded by some decent folk, give it the big one and brag to their mates after. It's a bit like being at a gig and standing right in the middle at the front trying to sing every word, take photos and not move despite a huge moshpit going on around you, complete killjoys and the WS is full of them...And no before you start your "better fan" drivel, I'm not part of the fosse boys so don't let my views tarnish their rep, please.

soooooooooo true

[Guest Bilo]

Sod it.

I've finally given up. I actually cannot be bothered to be argue the group's case any longer. I'm tired of rolling out the same responses to the same arguments, tired of being portrayed as a self-righteous disabled by association with the group but most of all, am tired of having to fight for the right to support my team in a manner taken for granted at Filbert Street every other week.

I hope these are my last words on the matter.