Fosse Boys - Leicester City Ultras

[Fosse Boy]

Like I said, I feel for what is happening to Pompey and would be distraught if it happened to Leicester.

But its just cause we were playing that badly, I feel that we should have been 100% behind our team.

But when the ' We Hate Forest, We Hate Derby..' Chant was being sung, I believe one of the FB turned round and said 'if you hate them, why sing about them'. So if that's the case, if you don't support Pompey, don't sing about them?

You were probably in fornt of me then. Yes, in respect the Pompey chant may have been misplaced but didn't warrant the reaction it got at all. It was merely trying to show that some issue are bigger than just supporting your own team sometimes. Like I say though, probably misplaced and in hindsight a daft choice.

The Coventry chant is OK if you're playing them, but out of context it's pointless. A bit like singing "singing the blues" if we're three nil down and F*rest are hammering someone 6-1.

[Messi]

Yes I agree mate, the reaction it got was totally wrong, especially by the idiot at the back in the yellow City shirt, who was about kicking off about it. I do understand where you are coming from about supporting other clubs.

And I agree, its abit pointless singing that chant if we are not playing Forest, Derby and Cov. But most of our chants are pointless cause majority of the fans can't remember longer ones.

It was nice to hear different songs from you boys yesterday, hopefully some of them will catch on. Hopefully, the one where you turn round, if the whole away end did that it would look special.

Keep up the good work lads

[Fosse Boy]

Yes I agree mate, the reaction it got was totally wrong, especially by the idiot at the back in the yellow City shirt, who was about kicking off about it. I do understand where you are coming from about supporting other clubs.

And I agree, its abit pointless singing that chant if we are not playing Forest, Derby and Cov. But most of our chants are pointless cause majority of the fans can't remember longer ones.

It was nice to hear different songs from you boys yesterday, hopefully some of them will catch on. Hopefully, the one where you turn round, if the whole away end did that it would look special.

Keep up the good work lads

And that's the culture we're trying to change.

[lcfc_jme]

I can understand both sides of the argument really now I fully understand why some people dislike Pompey so much, but I just thought I'd add a few things anyway..

Whilst it's entirely deplorable what happened to Leicester fans away at Portsmouth in being attacked and all, surely the "fan" who attacked his own for singing a pro-Portsmouth song is just as bad as the fans he hates so much? Y'know, what with it not being expected, infront of kids and all? Besides, I'm sure most were completely ignorant of what had happened during that game owing to their age? A civilised word or starting something pro-Leicester in order to drown out the Pompey song may have been better approaches.

Besides, I would tend to agree that some issues are bigger than any one team, so a display of unity wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but I do concede that perhaps it could've been done at a more appropriate time given what I've read on here about that awayer in Portsmouth.

The Fosse Boys, as a collective, are against modern football and so in many respects, I think their support of Pompey was as much to do with that as it was about showing solidarity with another club and empathising with them for their unfortunate situation.

And if we're gona go down the road of singing only in support of our team when we're losing or playing like turd, it stands to reason that singing things like "We hate Nottingham", "We hate Derby", "If I had the wings of an eagle", "Always shit on the red side of the Trent", "We all hate Leeds scum", "Iwan is a Welshman" and "In your Coventry slums" etc should be reserved purely for games against the teams mentioned and never be sung in any games otherwise. Yes they're Leicester songs, but they're more directed at other clubs rather than being entirely in support of Leicester. Pretty silly logic, really. Which leads nicely on to "In-ger-lund" chants against Swansea or Cardiff.. Err, last time I checked, we were Leicester City FC not Ingerlund Rangers or somesuch nonsensical name. It's hardly a "pro-Leicester" song by that logic is it?

Just my opinion really.

[fleckneymike]

I can understand both sides of the argument really now I fully understand why some people dislike Pompey so much, but I just thought I'd add a few things anyway..

Whilst it's entirely deplorable what happened to Leicester fans away at Portsmouth in being attacked and all, surely the "fan" who attacked his own for singing a pro-Portsmouth song is just as bad as the fans he hates so much? Y'know, what with it not being expected, infront of kids and all? Besides, I'm sure most were completely ignorant of what had happened during that game owing to their age? A civilised word or starting something pro-Leicester in order to drown out the Pompey song may have been better approaches.

I don't feel ignorance is an excuse. If you're trying to create a culture of singing and supporting Leicester you need to know your history.

This post of Bentley's covers most of the 'trouble' and ill feeling towards Pompey.

Play up Pompey?

[Fosse Boy]

I don't feel ignorance is an excuse. If you're trying to create a culture of singing and supporting Leicester you need to know your history.

This post of Bentley's covers most of the 'trouble' and ill feeling towards Pompey.

Play up Pompey?

True enough. Having read that earlier is what's sort of made me back down a little bit over the whole affair.

[sbfox]

My problem with singing a pro-Pompey song is that its really not the appropriate forum for doing so. By that I mean that if the FB (or whoever really) want to sing 'footballing unity songs', they have to realise that what, 70% really don't care and the other 10% are openly hostile towards the idea of supporting another club. If you want to debate the negatives of modern football, a) don't expect your average fan to care and b) do you really feel Swansea away is really the best place to draw attention to the issue?

The other problem is that whilst songs like "Leeds scum" don't necessarily 'support' Leicester, they do tend to rally our fans behind a common purpose and is ultimately good for our team. Singing support for Pompey is obviously going to rile more than a few of our fans, I'm sure we can all see that.

For the record, I'm neither particularly pro or anti Fosse Boys, but if you're going to be making vaguely pseudo-political statements, you're gonna have to think about them just a little bit more...

[lcfc_jme]

I don't feel ignorance is an excuse. If you're trying to create a culture of singing and supporting Leicester you need to know your history.

This post of Bentley's covers most of the 'trouble' and ill feeling towards Pompey.

Play up Pompey?

I've read the posts on here about it and just read the link you posted, and of course it's going to be fresh in the memories of a lot of the people involved that night.

What I will say is, I wasn't involved in any of this in Swansea as I wasn't there, and nor was I aware of what happened that night in Portsmouth until I read it in the post-match thread. I just think attacking your own fans is pretty moronic really especially considering many wouldn't have known about it. I think a quiet word in somebody's ear telling them to pipe down and maybe a bit of an explanation as to why it might have riled many people would've been a better solution than resorting to threats, intimidation or violence, is all.

[fleckneymike]

I've read the posts on here about it and just read the link you posted, and of course it's going to be fresh in the memories of a lot of the people involved that night.

What I will say is, I wasn't involved in any of this in Swansea as I wasn't there, and nor was I aware of what happened that night in Portsmouth until I read it in the post-match thread. I just think attacking your own fans is pretty moronic really especially considering many wouldn't have known about it. I think a quiet word in somebody's ear telling them to pipe down and maybe a bit of an explanation as to why it might have riled many people would've been a better solution than resorting to threats, intimidation or violence, is all.

I don't disagree but as someone else has just posted if you're making pseudo political points at football you need to know your history first.

Whilst I would never condone the actions of the supporter who was annoyed at the FB singing, I would say the whole situation could have been avoided if the FB took time to brush up on their City history. Would they sing pro Dennis Wise songs?

[lcfc_jme]

I don't disagree but as someone else has just posted if you're making pseudo political points at football you need to know your history first.

Whilst I would never condone the actions of the supporter who was annoyed at the FB singing, I would say the whole situation could have been avoided if the FB took time to brush up on their City history. Would they sing pro Dennis Wise songs?

Nah I see what you mean, hence why I said:

Besides, I would tend to agree that some issues are bigger than any one team, so a display of unity wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but I do concede that perhaps it could've been done at a more appropriate time given what I've read on here about that awayer in Portsmouth.

I think in a roundabout kind of way we're in agreement that two wrongs don't make a right and that in future, these things should be thought out a little better and put into action when the time's right.

[smudger63]

I can understand both sides of the argument really now I fully understand why some people dislike Pompey so much, but I just thought I'd add a few things anyway..

Whilst it's entirely deplorable what happened to Leicester fans away at Portsmouth in being attacked and all, surely the "fan" who attacked his own for singing a pro-Portsmouth song is just as bad as the fans he hates so much? Y'know, what with it not being expected, infront of kids and all? Besides, I'm sure most were completely ignorant of what had happened during that game owing to their age? A civilised word or starting something pro-Leicester in order to drown out the Pompey song may have been better approaches.

Besides, I would tend to agree that some issues are bigger than any one team, so a display of unity wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but I do concede that perhaps it could've been done at a more appropriate time given what I've read on here about that awayer in Portsmouth.

The Fosse Boys, as a collective, are against modern football and so in many respects, I think their support of Pompey was as much to do with that as it was about showing solidarity with another club and empathising with them for their unfortunate situation.

And if we're gona go down the road of singing only in support of our team when we're losing or playing like turd, it stands to reason that singing things like "We hate Nottingham", "We hate Derby", "If I had the wings of an eagle", "Always shit on the red side of the Trent", "We all hate Leeds scum", "Iwan is a Welshman" and "In your Coventry slums" etc should be reserved purely for games against the teams mentioned and never be sung in any games otherwise. Yes they're Leicester songs, but they're more directed at other clubs rather than being entirely in support of Leicester. Pretty silly logic, really. Which leads nicely on to "In-ger-lund" chants against Swansea or Cardiff.. Err, last time I checked, we were Leicester City FC not Ingerlund Rangers or somesuch nonsensical name. It's hardly a "pro-Leicester" song by that logic is it?

Just my opinion really.

Maybe the fan that got upset with the pro pompey chants, had been at the play off game, or had family who had been there, and got a shoe-in, cos make no mistake, there was no discrimination that night, as to who was fair game to the pompey lot.

Women and kids were targeted, as well.

It was an absolute disgrace, and i for one will never forgive or forget that night, so anything pro pompey, gets no support from me.

If they HAD gone under, it couldn`t have happened to a more deserving set of fans!!

[CosbehFox]

Fine then, where was the sympathy when we were in administration?

Edit: just one thing to add, i see no need for unity in support a club who over spent and embodied a team/owner typical of modern day football. That's not a fan issue like the Scunny terracing banner.

No Pompey wanted us deducted points and out of the promotion/championship race. Considering how 90/91 clubs wanted us turned to footballing mush I am certainly careful on clubs I'd support their cause for survival.

Even more so Pompey which is a rivalry lasting years upon years. On and off the pitch. City fans talk with disgust at Pompey fans reaction at the final whistle of both our playoff semis.

[lcfc_jme]

Maybe the fan that got upset with the pro pompey chants, had been at the play off game, or had family who had been there, and got a shoe-in, cos make no mistake, there was no discrimination that night, as to who was fair game to the pompey lot.

Women and kids were targeted, as well.

It was an absolute disgrace, and i for one will never forgive or forget that night, so anything pro pompey, gets no support from me.

If they HAD gone under, it couldn`t have happened to a more deserving set of fans!!

I can understand both sides of the argument really now I fully understand why some people dislike Pompey so much, but I just thought I'd add a few things anyway..

Whilst it's entirely deplorable what happened to Leicester fans away at Portsmouth in being attacked and all, surely the "fan" who attacked his own for singing a pro-Portsmouth song is just as bad as the fans he hates so much? Y'know, what with it not being expected, infront of kids and all?

..a display of unity wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but I do concede that perhaps it could've been done at a more appropriate time given what I've read on here about that awayer in Portsmouth.

I've read the posts on here about it and just read the link you posted, and of course it's going to be fresh in the memories of a lot of the people involved that night.

What I will say is, I wasn't involved in any of this in Swansea as I wasn't there, and nor was I aware of what happened that night in Portsmouth until I read it in the post-match thread. I just think attacking your own fans is pretty moronic really especially considering many wouldn't have known about it. I think a quiet word in somebody's ear telling them to pipe down and maybe a bit of an explanation as to why it might have riled many people would've been a better solution than resorting to threats, intimidation or violence, is all.

I think in a roundabout kind of way we're in agreement that two wrongs don't make a right and that in future, these things should be thought out a little better and put into action when the time's right.

I think that deals with the majority of your post in as fair a way as I can possibly express. I just don't think we'll ever agree on thinking that a set of fans deserve to see their club go out of business, so no point in debating it.

[smudger63]

I think that deals with the majority of your post in as fair a way as I can possibly express. I just don't think we'll ever agree on thinking that a set of fans deserve to see their club go out of business, so no point in debating it.

Thats ok, theres no debate from me, and i`m not having a pop at you.

Your statements are well reasoned.

All this has raked up some bed memories of that night.

Funny thing is, i will sing, we hate forest, Derby and cov, but thats pretty much a local rivalry thing really, and when it`s kicked off in the past, it`s usually been between like minded people.

Sadly at pompey, that wasn`t the case, anyone supporting Leicester was targeted, they were being dragged out of cars that night, it was shocking.

No, for pompey, i have real hatred, born out of what happened that night, like i said before, never forget or forgive!

[Fosse Boy]

Well, the more I read some of the horror stories on Bentley's from that night in '93 the more I realise that getting that chant going wasn't the brightest idea. I'll hold my hands up, shouldn't have done it.

That said, that bloke was still out of order in how he responded, and I still wouldn't wish the threat of extinction on any set of fans (besides MK ******) no matter how many wrong'uns happen to follow their club.

[Guest Bilo]

Well, the more I read some of the horror stories on Bentley's from that night in '93 the more I realise that getting that chant going wasn't the brightest idea. I'll hold my hands up, shouldn't have done it.

That said, that bloke was still out of order in how he responded, and I still wouldn't wish the threat of extinction on any set of fans (besides MK ******) no matter how many wrong'uns happen to follow their club.

Yeah, I'm thinking that as well.

Fact is we're a new group and we're going to make mistakes along the way. The way that bloke responded was well out of line but to feel aggrieved by us singing in support of that club's supporters under the circumstances was understandable. Let's just hope we can draw a line under it now and move on, apologies if we offended anyone.

[the_foxes_till_i_die]

well i really did miss a day out....dunno what to say to all this. As bilo said lets end it here and move on. Apoligies have been made.

[Jackirius]

Blimey that BR thread is some serious reading.

[Ilkeston_Fox]

Blimey that BR thread is some serious reading.

Just thinking the same thing. I knew there were some 'tasty' days here there and everywhere...just goes to show, at 25, I know fvck all about the history of LCFC.

[Lillehamring]

Many people still remember the serious violence they suffered from Portsmouth fans in the play-offs and obviously find it difficult to forgive.

No doubt James will say that's not a justifiable excuse but when your family is violently attacked and many were then I guess they're entitled to feel agrieved.

how come i don't remember this at all?

[davieG]

how come i don't remember this at all?

If you read the Bentley's topic you'll see that it was not reported on because we were through to Wembley and when the Merc were asked to following it up the Pompey police denied any serious activity probably because they stood by and watched it all take off, not that I was there just based on fans feedback.

[AndyBrew]

how come i don't remember this at all?

I thought it was just me

[Lillehamring]

If you read the Bentley's topic you'll see that it was not reported on because we were through to Wembley and when the Merc were asked to following it up the Pompey police denied any serious activity probably because they stood by and watched it all take off, not that I was there just based on fans feedback.

urgh, it was the swindon one, i was at uni - now i understand

[easilee]

IMO. If you are a Leicester fan, you sing songs that glorify and display your support for Leicester.

I can just about understand the Keep S****horpe Standing banner because it's an issue that affects a lot of fans around the country but Pompey's troubles just get a big 'Tough S**t' from me.

[Rocket-Ron]

how come i don't remember this at all?

I can remember it. A lot of bricks and stones came over from the back of the open stands after the final whistle. And loads of trouble in the streets after we got out.

But i also remember that the pub was in a bit of a state before it got attacked by portsmouth fans.

We spent most of the day at the bars by the amusment arcades at Southsea that afternoon and things were getting ugly there also, you knew it was going to end up verry messy.