Fosse boys to be ejected - time to make a stand

[unreachable]

I know its been against 'regulation' to stand at grounds for years but even after all this time I still can't believe that clubs are so OTT in the way they handle it. Surely if 10,000 fans decide to stand there is little they could do, but it seems most are happy to sit, which of course is their right but I often wonder if they sit because they feel they have to and given the choice would probably stand during games.

DavieG says that the Club have consented to the Fosse Boys being able to stand.

[davieG]

DavieG says that the Club have consented to the Fosse Boys being able to stand.

No I didn't! don't twist my words to justify your argument.

I said that they had directed them to other parts of the ground where standing was rife and ignored. Therefore their intent wasn't to stop them standing otherwise they would not have taken this action nowhere did I say they consented, yes turn a blind eye like they have done for the past 4/5 seasons.

[Ultra]

There are no laws (to my knowledge) saying you can't stand in an all seated stadium. There are reports and reccomendations only. The FLA issue guidance and so do the Football League about there expectations of what ground rules should be. It is for the CLUB to determine what their ground regulations are.

In response to the article on 17th May 2004

Disrupt viewing for fellow supporters - Fosse Boys were in nobodys way, kept to a part of the ground away from others

Compromise your safety - one person standing per seat ensures no blocking of the aisles and vomitaries, no reports of accidents or issues in L block over last few years.

Endanger club's safety certificate - If the club allowed safe standing then the supporters would not be breaking ground rules so no danger to certificate (but now sorely tempted to contact the city council and complain about L block breaking ground regulations and asking council to withdraw safety certificate).

Can badly affect the team -promoting atmosphere and encouraging them to do better, yes I hope it does effect them.

Another point is that senior members of the FLA and Football Leaugue regularly attend high profile televised games at which thousands of people stand all game. As there have been no sanctions placed on these clubs it is clear they turn a blind eye without ever saying it's acceptable and strangely none of these clubs have lost there safety certificate.

Leicester do turn a blind eye to standing and yes the Fosse Boys do want to stand breaking current ground regulations but nothing will change if it's not challenged.

Viva Leicester

The Council is already aware of the situation in L Block.

A source on the safety advisory group told me last week that the club can (and often do) eject fans from that area for persistent standing.

Whether any figures exist to back up that statement remains to be seen. If this happens, it doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent..

[unreachable]

No I didn't! don't twist my words to justify your argument.

I said that they had directed them to other parts of the ground where standing was rife and ignored. Therefore their intent wasn't to stop them standing otherwise they would not have taken this action nowhere did I say they consented, yes turn a blind eye like they have done for the past 4/5 seasons.

Turning a blind eye and actively consenting is a fine line. My point was that the club will condone standing in certain parts of the ground but in the face of an official campaign then the club may have to take an active stand. If a campaign is pushing the club to make an official statement then the club don't have much choice but state the legal position.

[Fossegirl]

The Council is already aware of the situation in L Block.

A source on the safety advisory group told me last week that the club can (and often do) eject fans from that area for persistent standing.

Whether any figures exist to back up that statement remains to be seen. If this happens, it doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent..

I would imagine they are ejected for other reasons than persistant standing but the standing element is very easy to prove and effective. If the council are already aware of standing and turn a blind eye by doing nothing it only adds to the argument that the Fosse boys could stand.

Just needs the famous 'eye' to close when looking towards SK1.

No Al Calcio Moderno

[unreachable]

The Council is already aware of the situation in L Block.

A source on the safety advisory group told me last week that the club can (and often do) eject fans from that area for persistent standing.

Whether any figures exist to back up that statement remains to be seen. If this happens, it doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent..

It will be a pity if the Fosse Boys movement fails simply because they can't stand. They'll have to sing sitting down which is not a physical impossibility.

[davieG]

Turning a blind eye and actively consenting is a fine line. My point was that the club will condone standing in certain parts of the ground but in the face of an official campaign then the club may have to take an active stand. If a campaign is pushing the club to make an official statement then the club don't have much choice but state the legal position.

Fine line but not the same so please don't put words in my mouth in future.

So now you're accepting that they do allow standing, so it really is a case of double standards. Double standards that are based on their bullying meter, so a group predominantly made up of a 'bunch of kids' in their eyes is fair game but when it comes to L1 where there is known to be some roughnecks pro-porting to be from the notorious Baby Squad they turn their blind eye.

As I said coward response from cowardly people.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Fosse Boys should sit down, and stop bloody winging!

[unreachable]

Fine line but not the same so please don't put words in my mouth in future.

So now you're accepting that they do allow standing, so it really is a case of double standards. Double standards that are based on their bullying meter, so a group predominantly made up of a 'bunch of kids' in their eyes is fair game but when it comes to L1 where there is known to be some roughnecks pro-porting to be from the notorious Baby Squad they turn their blind eye.

As I said coward response from cowardly people.

Turning a blind eye is tantamount to consenting. Double standards as you say.

[Fossegirl]

Fosse Boys should sit down, and stop bloody winging!

I am sure if you promise to make only constructive, intelligent well thought out comments on this forum then I could convince them to sit down.

[AoWW]

I am sure if you promise to make only constructive, intelligent well thought out comments on this forum then I could convince them to sit down.

Hang on, if you're gonna make claims like that at least let me add a few other posters to the list, as well as Dangerous Tiger.

[Fossegirl]

Hang on, if you're gonna make claims like that at least let me add a few other posters to the list, as well as Dangerous Tiger.

Fell free to add to the list but leave a few to play with.

[leftsideoverhere]

Hang on, if you're gonna make claims like that at least let me add a few other posters to the list, as well as Dangerous Tiger.

An early contender for post of the season in my book. AOWW you made me spill my tea.

[SamL]

Fosse Boys should sit down, and stop bloody winging!

Why should we stop whinging? There are pockets of fans around the stadium that stand, why shouldn't the Fosse Boys group be one of them?

A large proportion of the group, including its founding members, have relocated from L1 in order to create this movement. We appreciate not everybody agrees to our views on standing, but we're not gonna change our views just to please those at the club who're trying to bully us.

[Lillehamring]

I really dont know what to do, if the club are willing to stop people from entering the ground for just wearing Fosse Boys scarfs then how can we win??

we cant simple as that, maybe we need to give up and just wait till the laws are changed in this country, because the club seem to not care about what the fans think,

dispite all this, i had an awesome time down stairs during the second half! drinking beer, watching the game on tv and jumping around singing, and not being pointed at by stewards.

i really dont know what to do now, the stewards stopped people from getting in the kop before breaking any ground regulations, if this scenario was described to someone who didnt know what going to football was like they would seriously be baffled,

Kevin Barclay is acting like Hitler and he is getting away with it because there is NOTHING we can do, and he knows it, what will happen if they ban us?

maybe 5 or so people will hand their season tickets in, like the club will give a shit about that

football in this country is going to shit, but not for the clubs just for the fans and the clubs dont care

We are getting record low attendences at the walkers and the club is banning fans?? who see's the logic in that? Kevin Barclay, that's who

fuck modern football

...keep your scarves under your sweater til you're inside...

the way to sustain this in the short term is to be as subtle as possible getting into the ground.

it is well documented that there is 'safety in numbers', so once you're in the ground, in your group there is less and less they can do.

if you got a banner in, i'm sure you can get scarves in.

just don't give up, this has fired so many people up, there will be people in the ground joining you every game.

the club must realise they've opened a pretty nasty can of worms, and soon it'll be easier for them to let this happen than to try and stop it. the fact that they've resorted to dirty tactics suggests they're short on ideas on how to stop this, and their latest efforts are going to swell your numbers and they'll struggle even more to stop the FB.

[Jay]

is it just me or is the main issue being lost under the standing banner?

from what I saw on Saturday it wouldn't have mattered if the Fosse Boys had sat down, placed their tartan travel blanket on their laps and opened their thermos for some nice home made soup.

The facts are they were being singled out by the club and the stewards regardless of what they did and a dozen seats to the right people where standing like they always do without the hint of a steward in sight. It's not all about the standing imo more the underhand actions of the club and head stewards

[AoWW]

Why, oh why, do people still respond to Dangerous Tiger? Surely it's fairly obvious he's just out to get a reaction.

[C-man]

is it just me or is the main issue being lost under the standing banner?

from what I saw on Saturday it wouldn't have mattered if the Fosse Boys had sat down, placed their tartan travel blanket on their laps and opened their thermos for some nice home made soup.

The facts are they were being singled out by the club and the stewards regardless of what they did and a dozen seats to the right people where standing like they always do without the hint of a steward in sight. It's not all about the standing imo more the underhand actions of the club and head stewards

Definitely. When those old Koppites strolled over to lend support they didn't hear a peep from the stewards. There is little issue with 20 people standing. The club is simply afraid of what might happen if the Fosse Boys gather momentum.

[stripeyfox]

Sometimes it's hard to know how a situation is going to pan out but the club have totally misjudged this. Yes, it is true that they cannot be seen to be endorsing standing, and it is also true that turning a blind eye and giving approval is a fine line. But the club have massively misjudged this and as a result backed themselves into a corner. I don't imagine they expected the level of support behind these boys. This one issue has ended up being a line in the sand for club and fans. It is important that the FB and their supporters maintain this pressure and all of those guys who are not in the Fosse Boys but go to the Walkers and support them, really do line up behind them and be seen to be backing them.

"Stand up for the Fosse Boys" - get that chant going round. Get as many people in on it as you can. Remember that this site represents only a small fraction of the LCFC support and not everyone will yet be convinced by the FB motives. But if you can get the crowd to know that the FB are the "good guys" there is nothing much the club can do about it.

[unreachable]

Sometimes it's hard to know how a situation is going to pan out but the club have totally misjudged this. Yes, it is true that they cannot be seen to be endorsing standing, and it is also true that turning a blind eye and giving approval is a fine line. But the club have massively misjudged this and as a result backed themselves into a corner. I don't imagine they expected the level of support behind these boys. This one issue has ended up being a line in the sand for club and fans. It is important that the FB and their supporters maintain this pressure and all of those guys who are not in the Fosse Boys but go to the Walkers and support them, really do line up behind them and be seen to be backing them.

"Stand up for the Fosse Boys" - get that chant going round. Get as many people in on it as you can. Remember that this site represents only a small fraction of the LCFC support and not everyone will yet be convinced by the FB motives. But if you can get the crowd to know that the FB are the "good guys" there is nothing much the club can do about it.

The Fosse Boys cannot and will not succeed until the law has changed allowing standing. By all means campaign for a change but until then I still don't understand how the Fosse Boys can succeed. You admit that the club cannot endorse standing so isn't there an impasse for the time being?

This is not a hostile post just a realistic post.

[Fosse Boy]

The Fosse Boys cannot and will not succeed until the law has changed allowing standing. By all means campaign for a change but until then I still don't understand how the Fosse Boys can succeed. You admit that the club cannot endorse standing so isn't there an impasse for the time being?

This is not a hostile post just a realistic post.

Well when plenty of other fans in our own ground "succeed" every week in remaining on their two feet for the full ninety, there's no reason why we shouldn't is there? And let's face it, if everyone sat down and simply waited for change it wouldn't happen would it? Because the powers that be would assume that everyone wanted to be seated anyway.

[unreachable]

Well when plenty of other fans in our own ground "succeed" every week in remaining on their two feet for the full ninety, there's no reason why we shouldn't is there? And let's face it, if everyone sat down and simply waited for change it wouldn't happen would it? Because the powers that be would assume that everyone wanted to be seated anyway.

My point is that by making the issue "high profile" this brings publicity to the issue which results in the club being put in the position of having publicly to take an "official" view.

By not consistently enforcing the Ground Regulations the club has made a rod for its own back. You might spoil it for those who now stand without being required to sit down.

It wil be interesting to see how the campaign develops but for people to expect the club to positively support the Fosse Boys that is pure fantasy.

[AoWW]

I do struggle to juggle my flask and prawn sandwiches when I'm standing up.

[sbfox]

My point is that by making the issue "high profile" this brings publicity to the issue which results in the club being put in the position of having publicly to take an "official" view.

By not consistently enforcing the Ground Regulations the club has made a rod for its own back. You might spoil it for those who now stand without being required to sit down.

It wil be interesting to see how the campaign develops but for people to expect the club to positively support the Fosse Boys that is pure fantasy.

Again, I agree with this.

You are very vocally asking to be allowed to stand. The club CANNOT publicly allow this to occur as it would go against regs. Can you not see the two are in direct conflict? Your situation differs from L1 because the club have essentially lost control there and have not publicly condoned their standing. You on the other hand, have (for lack of a better word) standing as part of your 'constitution' and as an organised group, the club simply cannot be seen to be allowing this.

I hope that's clear...

[Wymsey]

If you want an extra supporter of this group, enen though i don't know any of you, i am happy to help. You have a right to support the team ffs and sing, support the team how much you want. That's why you are in the stadium. The stewards of a bunch of effing fart smellers to the the least