ozleicester Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Oh and by the way... our defence seems to be the major problem, and yet some people are calling for our Defence coach to become our manager?
Kitchandro Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 I'm not sticking up for Paulo Sousa at all here, far from it but I'd rather have a bad start in the league than a terrible freefall-esque finish that would end in relegation. At least there's plenty of time to save ourselves if we turn things around by beating S****horpe on Saturday - then if we don't, then act and get rid of PS. Things could be worse......although not much worse! To me this has been a reverse of the Peter Taylor situation so far (whereby he started so well) but ten years ago we were in the Prem. (even top of it in the October!) and still finished 13th in Taylor's first season, not bottom of the Championship! We got rid of Taylor the following season after a bad start, he who had slowly but surely dismantled O'Neill's team in the way that Sousa seems to be with Pearson's atm - yet when we ridded Taylor sop early on in Sept.2001, we were still relegated at the end of that season. I'm not saying keep Sousa if we don't win on Saturday but are there lessons to be learnt from the past if we do indeed sack him this early on?? I guess expectations aren't so high as they were ten years ago during Taylor's brief reign but they're not that much lower....... Sousa hasn't dismantled the team yet. If we wait til January and all our best players leave (which is highly likely) then he will have dismantled it. Then we will be in the Taylor situation. We can still save this team which has potential but is being managed terribly!
FoxyPV Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Im still supporting Sousa. If this were fergie, wenger, or even MON... how many games would they be given? We will not benefit from the manager merry go round. This is the problem with the Sousa out threads. WHO would you get in to replace him? Anyone out there are unemployed for a reason and those that choose to quit have been out of the game for so long that it may negate any former positives. I'm as pissed off as any fan but there are rays of light coming through in the team and their play. As soon as we sort the defence out we are lit for the season.
Jon the Hat Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Has any manager in the history of football with only 1 win in 9 games, at the foot of the table, and having conceded 10 goals in 2 games, actually NOT been sacked? I hope to god the Board are in fact negotating with their new chosen appointee as we speak.
Kitchandro Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 This is the problem with the Sousa out threads. WHO would you get in to replace him? Anyone out there are unemployed for a reason and those that choose to quit have been out of the game for so long that it may negate any former positives. I'm as pissed off as any fan but there are rays of light coming through in the team and their play. As soon as we sort the defence out we are lit for the season. But we are so far from sorting the defence out. Despite our battling performance last night, Sousa is still clearly tactically inept Curbishley's available, what's wrong with him?
Guy Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 This is the problem with the Sousa out threads. WHO would you get in to replace him? Anyone out there are unemployed for a reason and those that choose to quit have been out of the game for so long that it may negate any former positives. I'm as pissed off as any fan but there are rays of light coming through in the team and their play. As soon as we sort the defence out we are lit for the season. Is is all rather subjective re our present defence/attack situation (especially after having one of the best defences last season - though ironically, not as good as Sousa's Swansea...?!?!) but all throughout, the whole team is highly suspect atm. Do the players want to play for Sousa and maybe it's so that are just playing deliberately badly in the hope that he will be sacked? It could be just a loss of good old fashined confidence though....with players being played out of position and/or dropped. I mean how many chances have we squandered up front this season alone to date? Not nearly as many as we have conceded I know but still more than enough! I know we've had inspired goalkeepers standing in the way and King has had three good goals ruled out but yesterday was the first time we'd scored 3 goals this season in the league.......and we still lost!! Rays of light are not what we need, it is wins, points and getting out of the bottom three asap........certainly before the sound of Santa's sleigh makes it's presence heard in just i under three months time...............
ithuriel Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 There are managers out there, fact is its a results business and sousa is not providing. Big decisions need to be made and one is how long do you give a manager who can't win games at this level ? He has had a preseason, 9 leagues games and three cup games and yet i still do not know what the first team is
Guy Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Bruce and Solano fair points, but Brown was not there to deal with pace, he was there to deal with long balls and crosses, something which is lacking this season. Hobbs was meant to deal with pace on the floor, Brown was the aerial presence. Too right. We're missing Brown's aerial presence for sure, anybody who cannot see that is blind! Hobbs was/is good on the floor, Brown was better in the air last season. This has been a pivotal reason as to why our defence has shipped so many goals this season, esp. after giving the ball away so cheaply all the while in midfield while trying to play Sousa's failing passing game. Brown should have stayed and buried the hatchet with the black contingent that he wreportedly upset in the camp after the General Elec. Politics should never interfere with football.
FoxyPV Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 But we are so far from sorting the defence out. Despite our battling performance last night, Sousa is still clearly tactically inept Curbishley's available, what's wrong with him? Curbishley is not going to come to us especially now. He'll hold out for a PL job or a top C'ship (which we are most definitely not) Is is all rather subjective re our present defence/attack situation (especially after having one of the best defences last season - though ironically, not as good as Sousa's Swansea...?!?!) but all throughout, the whole team is highly suspect atm. Do the players want to play for Sousa and maybe it's so that are just playing deliberately badly in the hope that he will be sacked? It could be just a loss of good old fashined confidence though....with players being played out of position and/or dropped. I mean how many chances have we squandered up front this season alone to date? Not nearly as many as we have conceded I know but still more than enough! I know we've had inspired goalkeepers standing in the way and King has had three good goals ruled out but yesterday was the first time we'd scored 3 goals this season in the league.......and we still lost!! Rays of light are not what we need, it is wins, points and getting out of the bottom three asap........certainly before the sound of Santa's sleigh makes it's presence heard in just under three months time............... I think this is the main problem. It has permeated the team and caused players to second guess themselves and this is shown on the pitch by the stupid mistakes we are making on a game by game basis.
davieG Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Too right. We're missing Brown's aerial presence for sure, anybody who cannot see that is blind! Hobbs was/is good on the floor, Brown was better in the air last season. This has been a pivotal reason as to why our defence has shipped so many goals this season, esp. after giving the ball away so cheaply all the while in midfield while trying to play Sousa's failing passing game. Brown should have stayed and buried the hatchet with the black contingent that he wreportedly upset in the camp after the General Elec. Politics should never interfere with football. Brown leaving is hardly Sousa's fault and we know for a fact he was prepared to spend big bucks to bring in a replacement with either the Swansea guy or Zayatte, Therefore I'm sure Sousa is well aware of the teams defensive short comings and has tried all avenues to bolster it, having had no success he's had to make do with what he's got and with the injury to Vitor has been forced to experiment but has been badly let down by some inept out of character, in some cases performances. A lot of blame can be placed at Sousa's door including defensive options but he can't be blamed for the gap let by Brown.
Guy Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 If Sausa is sacked, who will make the decision as to which manager will be the succesful candidate? Milan? Would you trust him? TOP? Has he ever interviewed a football manager? If we go down the route of getting rid of Paulo then this season will be written off - if it already is not. I wouldnt rule out a doulbe sacking if the next manager does not deliver instant success - history tells us this is possible. If a sacking/next manager not performing scenario is played out then relegation is a distinct possibility. If we stick with Paulo i think we will finish mid table, would i take mid table - yes!! There is one thing that does not make sense amongs all of this - Paulo's team last season let in very few goals and now his team are delivering the opposite. - Is Paulo instructing players to remain tight and compact leaving 10 men behind the ball? No. - Is paulo instructing his team to score more goals by instructing players to get frowards - yes. - Are the players too unfit to get back and hold their shape when they give the ball away, yes. For what its worth I think we need to play compact football and just focus on tightening up the defence for the next game or three, go back to basics and make ourselves hard to beat. That is a short term objective that will get is moving in the right direction. Good post. I am still undecided on Sousa as you can probably tell from my previous posts so far. You make a valid point though about the chalk and cheese-esque scenario regarding his respective defences at Swansea last season and with us. His team last season conceded the fewest - barring Newcastle? - yet his team this season has done the complete opposite to date - and so early on! It is the players' tracking back and their resultant lack of fitness to do so competently (after we lose the ball) that is largely to blame though and the fact that Wayne Brown's aerial presence is missing this season to snuff out the threats of aerial bombardment from the opposition. Granted, it was not Sousa's fault that he left but was it not Chrissie Powell's to a degree?? Also we're hardly scoring for fun to compensate for that fact, yes, three at Norwich yesterday which was a rareity BUT four conceded! We look slow and ponderous at the back and are making too many mistakes (Berner, Morrison at Pompey on Friday that I saw and I dare say in countless other games too). This level of criticism was being aimed at Roy Keane at Ipswich this time last season but even then they were mostly drawing their games or narrowly losing, they certanly weren't shipping 10 goals in two games a time and they also never went 3-0 down to a team on the opening day that only just stayed up by the skin of it's teeth last season!! I say give Sousa two more games after yeserday (after all Norwich are now 3rd) - which means Scunny at home this Sat. and then Pearson's Hull a fortnight later! As tough as these challanges will be, if we cannot win at least one of these against what (on paper) are significantly inferior opposition then sorry, he has to go.......!
Kitchandro Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Brown leaving is hardly Sousa's fault and we know for a fact he was prepared to spend big bucks to bring in a replacement with either the Swansea guy or Zayatte, Therefore I'm sure Sousa is well aware of the teams defensive short comings and has tried all avenues to bolster it, having had no success he's had to make do with what he's got and with the injury to Vitor has been forced to experiment but has been badly let down by some inept out of character, in some cases performances. A lot of blame can be placed at Sousa's door including defensive options but he can't be blamed for the gap let by Brown. The loan window is still open though isn't it? Frankly, a centre back was always more important than the capture of Waghorn, I'm pleased he's here but the centre back was the priority. Even if He thought Vitor would do the job I must disagree and insist that if he had a clue what he was doing he would bring a centre back in on loan
Babylon Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Curbishley's available, what's wrong with him? The last time he was heard from he was holding out for a premier league job.
Guest Bilo Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 The last time he was heard from he was holding out for a premier league job. Tell him we're on the verge of escaping the Championship and he might not stop to check.
Petchy Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1316195/Paulo-Sousa-ninth-managerial-casualty-years-Leicester.html? According to this Sousa's italian.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 To the Curbishley, Pardew, etc, crowd - the Asian investors want to sell the LCFC brand abroad. I doubt they'll select someone who has no international reputation. Ok, Sousa's international fame is as a player, but it's the fame bit they will care about, not where they got it from. In which case we're more likely to end up with Johnny Depp as manager.
bluefox9er Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 is george graham still looking for a job?!
The Doctor Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 This is ridiculous. back of for a second and think, who would actually take the job? We're on our 10th manager in 5 years (7th permanent), the takeover is yet to be ratified so our current owner is still manadric - massive reputation as an axe man, we've just driven out our statistically best ever manager for a couple of quid, and the fans are calling for the managers head after 9 games. There's rumours of a split dressing room & that several players want out, from various reports the thai owners are set to treat the club like a plaything and want a yes man in charge. Who in their right mind would look at that and think "That's the challenge for me" AND how many of them would be good enough? the answer is no-one and none
Jon the Hat Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 This is ridiculous. back of for a second and think, who would actually take the job? We're on our 10th manager in 5 years (7th permanent), the takeover is yet to be ratified so our current owner is still manadric - massive reputation as an axe man, we've just driven out our statistically best ever manager for a couple of quid, and the fans are calling for the managers head after 9 games. There's rumours of a split dressing room & that several players want out, from various reports the thai owners are set to treat the club like a plaything and want a yes man in charge. Who in their right mind would look at that and think "That's the challenge for me" AND how many of them would be good enough? the answer is no-one and none Yeah, there are afterall lots of chaotic football clubs around without managers. Like... erm.... Hmm.
The Doctor Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Yeah, there are afterall lots of chaotic football clubs around without managers. Like... erm.... Hmm. Be honest though, has there ever been a club in that much chaos, sack the current manager and get a decent manager in rather than a dowie/Gregory ?
Finnegan Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Be honest though, has there ever been a club in that much chaos, sack the current manager and get a decent manager in rather than a dowie/Gregory ? Yeah dude! QPR managed to get a Champions League winner in called Paulo So-... oh...
Kitchandro Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Be honest though, has there ever been a club in that much chaos, sack the current manager and get a decent manager in rather than a dowie/Gregory ? Pearson wasn't a bad appointment... By Southampton or us
Jon the Hat Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Yeah dude! QPR managed to get a Champions League winner in called Paulo So-... oh... Neil Warnock might be a **** but he is not a bad manager.
davieG Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 The loan window is still open though isn't it? Frankly, a centre back was always more important than the capture of Waghorn, I'm pleased he's here but the centre back was the priority. Even if He thought Vitor would do the job I must disagree and insist that if he had a clue what he was doing he would bring a centre back in on loan Yes it is and considering he's tried and failed to sign two CBs you need to think why no further progress has been made, do you really think it's because he doesn't want to or is incapable? Maybe others have been turned down by clubs, maybe the money is no longer there since they still haven't concluded the take over.
lcfc_forever Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 The team's been riddled with indiscipline since Sousa's arrival. It's shown in the number of goals we've conceded, the red cards, the lack of defensive organisation etc. Just seen the goals we conceded against Norwich and three of those goals would simply not have happened last season - the marking is terrible. For me, it all points to a lack of respect for the manager. Those who say the players should automatically respect their manager - that's rubbish. Respect is earned, whatever his achievements as a player.
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