Tuition Fees

[Dr The Singh]

I think most of you are forgetting this new system will benefit the part time students. Make it fooking harder to get to Uni full time I say. If you really want it then you'll have to fcuking pay for it by finding the money to do so. It's like the ameircan system whereby it's expensive and people have to pay it. There have been so many useless c unts that have gone to Uni over the last decade here and come away with waste degrees. Make people actually bloody work for it. I've done all my studying part time while holding down a full time job. So fcuk you, get a job and do it part time and put some fcuking real work into it you lazy fcukwits. People in this country expect everthing to be handed to them on a plate.

When did that happen, sitting on park benches is not a job, MF!!!

[Master Fox]

When did that happen, sitting on park benches is not a job, MF!!!

[Finnegan]

I would be happier with that than simply hiking the prices, yes. Especially if it was coupled with, as Alex suggests, pre-uni coaching kids properly on the alternatives. I fail to see how this has been rendered impossible.

[Tilley]

University should be harder to get into. At least then you won't get prats doing a degree in wiping their own arse, which they'll drop out of after two years and then get a minimum wage job.

University is too easy to get into these days.

[Babylon]

What about teachers?

My heart bleeds for them... starting on £21,438 and rising to possibly £55,669, not even including what deputies and heads can get.

[Tommy G]

My heart bleeds for them... starting on £21,438 and rising to possibly £55,669, not even including what deputies and heads can get.

Oh and if that doesn't give your a hardon then 11 weeks holiday a year will

[Babylon]

Oh and if that doesn't give your a hardon then 11 weeks holiday a year will

I avoided mentioning that fearing a teacher would be lurking to say they spend most of it planning. (I know 5 of them and they all leave it to the last minute).

[Houdini Logic]

University should be harder to get into. At least then you won't get prats doing a degree in wiping their own arse, which they'll drop out of after two years and then get a minimum wage job.

University is too easy to get into these days.

But don't you relalise that raising prices will only exclude people by price and not intelligence?

It will be the same as today but only rich people studying useless degrees

[Tommy G]

I avoided mentioning that fearing a teacher would be lurking to say they spend most of it planning. (I know 5 of them and they all leave it to the last minute).

I thought that was what between 3-5pm was or is that for marking? Or free periods?

[Tommy G]

But don't you relalise that raising prices will only exclude people by price and not intelligence?

It will be the same as today but only rich people studying useless degrees

Where abouts did he mention Price is any of his post, he just stated Uni is too easy to get into

[Alexikokopops]

My heart bleeds for them... starting on £21,438 and rising to possibly £55,669, not even including what deputies and heads can get.

My friend teaches and has had weapons pulled on her in class. Perks of the job?

[Houdini Logic]

Where abouts did he mention Price is any of his post, he just stated Uni is too easy to get into

This is a tuition fees thread and that was their first post

[Houdini Logic]

My heart bleeds for them... starting on £21,438 and rising to possibly £55,669, not even including what deputies and heads can get.

£20k is roughly the starting salary for a qualified nurse also.

I'd like to see you convince tarquin and lottie to go and study that for 3 years and then clean shit and blood from people all day

[Master Fox]

Browne Review of Higher Education Funding and Student Finance, published yesterday, recommended that, for the first time, all part-time students in England studying 40 credits or more should have the same support for the cost of learning as full-time students.

This signals the end of a two tier system which until now has disadvantaged part-time students and marks the start of a new, modern era of higher education which promotes opportunity, flexibility, quality and the crucial role of part-time in delivering future economic growth and social mobility.

[AoWW]

I avoided mentioning that fearing a teacher would be lurking to say they spend most of it planning. (I know 5 of them and they all leave it to the last minute).

I'll have you know that I spend every waking hour of my 11 weeks holiday planning.

[AoWW]

I thought that was what between 3-5pm was or is that for marking? Or free periods?

I've long since stopped taking the bait.

[Jon the Hat]

My friend teaches and has had weapons pulled on her in class. Perks of the job?

And paying her more would make that acceptable?

[Alexikokopops]

And paying her more would make that acceptable?

Nah, I'm just throwing bits and bobs. This thread is far to civil for my tastes at the moment.

[Dr The Singh]

Nah, I'm just throwing bits and bobs. This thread is far to civil for my tastes at the moment.

I think some bumming orders are justified!!

[Houdini Logic]

This thread is far to civil for my tastes at the moment.

I would attempt to be controversial and say raise the prices for foreigners, but we actually do that anyway...

[Matt]

University just got even more pointless!*

*For those who go and just doss, go for the sake of going, or don't use whatever they are studying in the future.

[sw_fox]

Maybe an argument is to provide more practical training for things like social workers, teaching etc. so you don't have to go to University to do these. Turn University into something that you only need to go to if you're genuinely interested in studying a subject (like, say, history) or becoming a doctor (just an example), rather than something which a lot of people feel they have to go to just to have any chance of getting a job. I'm just throwing ideas out there. Stoking the fires before leaving the thread for good and watching it go out of hand.

I think this is the way forward. There are far too many degrees- for example ones in business/management/tourism/services- that really shouldnt be degrees. They should be put into separate colleges, be able to charge whatever they want tuition fee wise and be kept completely separate from the ACADEMIC system in this country.

Then again the only way a lot of Universities in this country can afford to provide science degrees is run lots of students studying social sciences, the arts and business as they cost nowhere near as much to run as a science/engineering degree.

I studied international relations with politics and the library had sod all books in it (to the extent that I had to commute to exeter from plymouth every day for 3 weeks to do my dissertation); and I had about 8 hours a week maximum contact time with academic staff(including lectures, seminars and tutorials). This in comparison to a typical science degree that will have to be well resourced in a library, have well equipped labs and have to pay for materials/resources for experiements; and requires around 20 hours a week direct contact time with staff for practicals, lectures, seminars etc.

[Finnegan]

University just got even more pointless!*

*For those who go and just doss, go for the sake of going, or don't use whatever they are studying in the future.

Ah, the good old Matt-educational-chip-on-the-shoulder.

How it's been missed.

[Babylon]

£20k is roughly the starting salary for a qualified nurse also.

They won't pay a penny back then until they reach the threshold.

[acooling08]

Hey, the Gov has to find some way of getting back the money squandered by Blair and Brown.

Hey Cameron, here's a fooking good idea: Cut every single penny of foreign aid we give and spend what you save on the fooking future in university students you priveledged ****.