easilee Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 If you were the top earner out of all your fellow employees, I'm sure your boss would give you the benefit of the doubt if you were going through a tough period. And if you weren't being given a chance how could he fire you? Nobody can perform to their best all the while, especially when they aren't being given a chance. Fryatt's trade is scoring goals, that, above all, is what he delivers. He's not the best at anything else, but he needs game time to prove himself. Claridge was famously shocking in training, but he did the business on the big day, matchday. The day that matters. Training counts for nothing. I admit he needs to pull his finger out, but at the same time he hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip. He's had more than enough time to prove to Sven that he wants to battle for his place. In training, reserve matches etc. If he was true Champ/Prem quality it would have been utilised by now. Don't get me wrong, i like the dude but he doesn't want to be here and we are not about to let him go out on loan to Championship rivals, the owners fell foul of that with Campbell. So he's throwing a mardy cos he wants to go to Hull but we won't let him at the mo. Well that's how i see it anyway.
Kitchandro Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 He's had more than enough time to prove to Sven that he wants to battle for his place. In training, reserve matches etc. If he was true Champ/Prem quality it would have been utilised by now. Don't get me wrong, i like the dude but he doesn't want to be here and we are not about to let him go out on loan to Championship rivals, the owners fell foul of that with Campbell. So he's throwing a mardy cos he wants to go to Hull but we won't let him at the mo. Well that's how i see it anyway. I don't really understand this. It was utilised last season. He's had 2 seasons where he's shown what he can do, but he has a few bad performances and 3 bad months so you write him off? It doesn't add up. He's still got 4 goals in 6 starts this season. My point is yes he might not be showing enough for Sven in training, but he's never going to look as effective as Waghorn or Vassell or Bednar. But when he plays in a proper match, he'll get goals. The others might be showing loads in training but the fact is they've shown fook all in the proper matches, certainly from a goalscoring perspective. And I'm not saying Bednar or Vassell won't come good, cos they haven't been here long. You might see it as 'he's thrown a mardy' but there's very little evidence of this. He's frustrated at not playing I'm sure, as any footballer would be. But if he's desperate to go to Hull why would Sven come out and say he wanted to stay and fight for his place? Why come out like that and blatantly lie when you could just as easily avoid the subject, or tell the truth, if in fact he has thrown a fit and wants to leave?
easilee Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 I don't really understand this. It was utilised last season. He's had 2 seasons where he's shown what he can do, but he has a few bad performances and 3 bad months so you write him off? It doesn't add up. He's still got 4 goals in 6 starts this season. My point is yes he might not be showing enough for Sven in training, but he's never going to look as effective as Waghorn or Vassell or Bednar. But when he plays in a proper match, he'll get goals. The others might be showing loads in training but the fact is they've shown fook all in the proper matches, certainly from a goalscoring perspective. And I'm not saying Bednar or Vassell won't come good, cos they haven't been here long. You might see it as 'he's thrown a mardy' but there's very little evidence of this. He's frustrated at not playing I'm sure, as any footballer would be. But if he's desperate to go to Hull why would Sven come out and say he wanted to stay and fight for his place? Why come out like that and blatantly lie when you could just as easily avoid the subject, or tell the truth, if in fact he has thrown a fit and wants to leave? We'll have to agree to disagree mate. I personally hadn't written him off. He's written himself off for this club. It's simple. You think you've got it, then damn well show it. It's the new neuroses of the age. Everyone has to be a winner or equal. No losers in the 21st century, oh no! Fryatt reminds me of a kid who can't understand the process of losing out to someone better than him.
easilee Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 I don't really understand this. It was utilised last season. He's had 2 seasons where he's shown what he can do, but he has a few bad performances and 3 bad months so you write him off? It doesn't add up. He's still got 4 goals in 6 starts this season. My point is yes he might not be showing enough for Sven in training, but he's never going to look as effective as Waghorn or Vassell or Bednar. But when he plays in a proper match, he'll get goals. The others might be showing loads in training but the fact is they've shown fook all in the proper matches, certainly from a goalscoring perspective. And I'm not saying Bednar or Vassell won't come good, cos they haven't been here long. You might see it as 'he's thrown a mardy' but there's very little evidence of this. He's frustrated at not playing I'm sure, as any footballer would be. But if he's desperate to go to Hull why would Sven come out and say he wanted to stay and fight for his place? Why come out like that and blatantly lie when you could just as easily avoid the subject, or tell the truth, if in fact he has thrown a fit and wants to leave? A little 101 on manager-speak may be needed here.
B52 Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 There's no need to argue about wich player to play..... Sven is trying to get the 4-5-1 formation to work. It means strikers like Fryatt and Waghorn will rest a lot when Sven plays primarly Bednar and Howard if they don't come on as wingers.
North-LondonFox Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Its diffiicult with Waggy and Matty - I think they are both v good players but like anyone they need a run of games. I can't really see how to accomodate either of them in a 4-3-3 system because nether fit the bill as wingers or a lone striker. Perhaps one of the two shuld go out on loan, but I don't really want us to sell either of them.
hackneyfox Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Hahaha, I'm not blinkered by any means, I'll slate Fryatt when I feel it's needed. I've said he's not blessed with pace, but I think the whole 'lazy' tag just stems from being a right unfit bugger rather than not giving a toss. He's naturally a fatboy, if he can't be bothered to get himself fit then I pot that down to being lazy and not giving a toss.
hackneyfox Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Fryatt is finished at this club, sooner he leaves the better and he has nobody to blame for that but himself. Every other player at the club has had the same opportunities and played under the same managers, some have proved themselves and some haven't. He'll still be your friend on facebook even if he plays for another side.
Edmund Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 With every game that passes, the signing of Waghorn is looking more and more like a real waste of money. Fans were wanking on here when we brought him back for £3,000,000 when a much better player in Campbell left for a snip at £1,000,000. Waghorn is another player along with Fryatt and Morrison who will only thrive under their mentor Pearson. I can't see him being happy as he's not even starting at championship level. The whole reason why he left Sunderland was for first team football. It pains me to say it but sell him and try and recoup whilst we can.
Jakemoore Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Why should Waghorn go out on loan to make a place for Fryatt? Fryatt is obviously unhappy and it should actually be him that goes out on loan if anyone, what is the point in having unhappy people at the club over players that want to be at the club and earn there place. Sven?? No, so how do you know that he's not happy at the club? Aye??!!?!??
Babylon Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 With every game that passes, the signing of Waghorn is looking more and more like a real waste of money. Fans were wanking on here when we brought him back for £3,000,000 when a much better player in Campbell left for a snip at £1,000,000. Waghorn is another player along with Fryatt and Morrison who will only thrive under their mentor Pearson. I can't see him being happy as he's not even starting at championship level. The whole reason why he left Sunderland was for first team football. It pains me to say it but sell him and try and recoup whilst we can. £2m... it aint gonna get to three if he's not playing or scoring. Can't imagine there will be a rush to take him off our hands even if he was for sale.
Babylon Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 how do you know that he's not happy at the club? Aye??!!?!?? Because he handed in a request and isn't playing?
fosseman Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Why this discussion now? The loan window is closed. A lot can happen between now and the reopening of the transfer window. We may need either or both strikers if we get injuries.
Kitchandro Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Fans were wanking on here when we brought him back for £3,000,000 when a much better player in Campbell left for a snip at £1,000,000.
smudger63 Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Unsure if topic has been done on this, but would it be a good idea for Waggers to go out on loan - to build up confidence - and possibly utilise Fryatt in a subs position?? [/quot Err, NO!!!
deep blue Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Because he (Fryatt) handed in a request and isn't playing? How do you know that he handed in a transfer request? It's only rumour, and he wasn't the only one included in the rumour. What we do know is that decent clubs came in for him during the loan window, and he refused to go because he wanted to fight for his place here - so he clearly doesn't want to leave. It's also true that impressiveness in training and being happy to run madly around the pitch don't necessarily translate into effective match performances (someone has already quoted the Claridge example). Fryatt is the more likely of any of our "strikers" to score goals from open play, if he's given the opportunity and played in a role/formation that suits his style.
Finnegan Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Regardless of how well he's playing, sending your young, three-million-pound signing on loan after he left his boyhood heroes because he loved playing for your club so much out on loan would be the single worst piece of man-management in the history of football.
Tewy5 Posted 10 December 2010 Posted 10 December 2010 Keep waggers giv him a start see how he gets on ? Let fryatt go on loan he said he's happy to fight for his place I think he aint assed if he gets on saturday we will see how much he wants it
Asherz Posted 11 December 2010 Posted 11 December 2010 personally we shud of sold fryup him for 2 million when we had a chance. he is awfull waste of wages... come january i wanna see bye bye fryup !
Far Post Gerry Posted 11 December 2010 Posted 11 December 2010 Where exactly would Waghorn go on loan to anyway? He aint going to drop down to Div 1, and letting him go to another Championship side would be mental.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 December 2010 Posted 11 December 2010 I think he needs to start a game for us soon. Don't see Bednar or Howard as massively better options, even in a lone striker system. he holds the ball up well, and is a goal threat too. Well said. Sod loaning him out, start him a bloody game! What player besides solksjaer can make an impact in 10mins?? Bednar is tosh and anyone disagreeing is clutching at straws
Fmfox Posted 11 December 2010 Posted 11 December 2010 waghorn may be small in height but he is very stong and can hold the ball up well, everyone is happy for vassell to have numerous games to become match fit, i think that is all waghorn needs.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 December 2010 Posted 11 December 2010 waghorn may be small in height but he is very stong and can hold the ball up well, everyone is happy for vassell to have numerous games to become match fit, i think that is all waghorn needs. Waghorn is basically a poor(er) mans wayne rooney IMO edit- not that thats a bad thing
Daggers Posted 11 December 2010 Posted 11 December 2010 So he's throwing a mardy cos he wants to go to Hull but we won't let him at the mo. Well that's how i see it anyway. You see it wrong.
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