Ipswich Town away Post-Match Thread

[Cropwellfox]

We need Sven to do as much permanent signing business as he can in January so we have a reasonably settled squad next preseason. The cliched story of palace getting up aside it is very very rare for a team not established in the top 8 or so in December to be promoted come may. Those who want to go can, sort out the future of the loanees - there's no point building a defence around Vitor and davies with no chance of either being here for the long term. Find a successor to Howard to lead the line, a keeper who will properly challenge weale, sign up naughton, spend decent money on a centre half or two and well be in great shape to piss on the league next year. Simples. I am going to ensure I enjoy the man city game cos unless there is a huge change in our attitude away from home and when it's not ideal for passing football there's not going to be much meaningful football left by the time were far into the new year.

[Unit]

In a way I'm glad they 'won',... at least that means they have to put up with that mardy **** Keane as a manager for a bit longer. Bunch of inbred thugs.

[Wymsey]

Howard's attitude was the poorest i have ever seen with him. When Ipswich's fans said 'you fat bastard' to him during second half and he lifted his ear to them, that just showed that just showed his frustration... <_<

[Guest BlueBrett]

Have you learnt nothing from Sven's history as a head coach?

The man just cannot raise his 'troops' for a 'fight'. Home matches, OK, he's alright. Away games, under pressure, he cannot motivate the players at all. He has proven this time and time again. Remember Southgate's famous Ian Duncan Smith quote. And that was when Sven had a top class side! How will he be with this bunch of clowns down here?

Listen, Sven is here for the money and if he wins, its a bonus for him but I wish Blackbum or some other team will come in for him because he is a sub standard tactician and a terrible motivator. 3-0 loss or not, these words have been true since his Lazio days.

Do you even believe any of that yourself? Sven is a great manager and a genuine lover of football (amongst other things). He doesn't need to stomp and shout because people listen when he speaks. That is called respect.

And what on earth does Gareth bloody Southgate know? Sven = internationally recognised, universally respected and widely coveted football manager. Southgate = ugly bloke who sits on a sofa in tv studios.

And for your information IDS is still very well liked and respected in political circles!!

[Thracian]

I know footie is not played on paper.

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This is where football is going wrong and I'm expecting Sven to have sufficient influence to change it.

All this nonsense about having to play in snow and ice is daft when we all know it's dangerous. Hell, football is no longer a tribal thing where we might draw fans from the Corieltavi and Iceni...it's about drawing families away from the Antiques Roadshow and Dickinson's Real Deal and they don't want to see people in danger.

Perhaps Leicester Council can even be persuaded to replace the dug-outs at The Walkers with stylish gazebos so Sven can stay safely undercover just in case a stray cloud should evade security and threaten our Mediterraean-style football which should in future be played on flawless white rice paper in support of our sponsors.

Also, we need to get Ipswich banned from the League on safety grounds. We never win there for a start, which is clinically depressing, and Ipswich is far too close to the Dogger Bank, a serious risk if we ever travel to the ground by boat on a windy day.

There are other risks we need to avoid as well before health and safety come knocking. That A14 for a start.

Two lanes is not enough for the team coach now the Thais are spending so much money. It needs three lanes at least, perhaps four to be safe. Then there's the windfarm near Wellingborough. If the sails from one of those things spins off it might hit Fryatt on the head and cost us a goal a season. it's just not worth taking the chance.

Football really needs to get it's act together and identify all possible sources of danger. Has anyone even considered what would happen if someone knocked one of those Russian ICBM's that are pointed at the UK. How dangerous would that be? Break anyone's leg that could. Surely all football should be cancelled unless Putin's out for the day! Or there's snow forecast.

[Corky]

Listen, Sven is here for the money and if he wins, its a bonus for him but I wish Blackbum or some other team will come in for him because he is a sub standard tactician and a terrible motivator. 3-0 loss or not, these words have been true since his Lazio days.

Yeah, great, another managerial change and new appointment. We haven't had enough of those in the past three-and-a-half years have we?

[Guest ttfn]

Some of our fans are worse than our side. Clutching at straws about the weather. Yes, in today's health and safety conscious society the game was probably completed cos of television. But only one team failed to adapt to the conditions and that was ours.

That pitch was perfectly playable and of little danger to anyone. Second half we were harrranging the referee and looking for excuses for our pathetic performance.

How does a highly-paid manager spend a week working hard with his team and inspire that sort of shit?

We didn't want to know. We were second to the ball, looked like we were wearing the wrong studs, ludicrously wanted to run with the ball instead of getting it fast into danger areas, couldn't control anything and were totally disorganised.

The first requirement of any game - and particularly when playing in the snow - is to close people down and harrass them into making mistakes. We couldn't close a sodding bank account. In fact our team was so late to the ball it's a wonder they didn't all turn into pumpkins.

And where the hell did we get Kirkland from? He was about as inspiring as a hot-air balloon with a puncture. In fact he looked half-asleep in the first half and not so much better even in the quietness of the second half.

And what a disgrace to our club our team was. We weren't ever interested or determined to claw back the deficit. All we were interested in second half was making excuses about the weather and trying to persuade the referee to wipe a 3-0 deficit that was all down to ourselves.

Yes the snow demanded some adjustment. But no, we were too sodding arrogant and wimpish to adjust. We were like little kids who didn't want to play and kept asking the referee t give us our ball back so we could go home.

One thing you can guarantee with a Roy Keane side is that they will compete and not make excuses. He must have been embarrassed by how pathetic we were.

I wonder how much our team cost compared to The Tractor Boys. It would make you sick cos they didn't earn a penny and if they've got any character they should donate every penny of their earnings to a kids charity.

And who the hell wanted Fryatt on the field? With his two simple, unchallenged passes to the wing it's a wonder he didn't miss the pitch completely.

Someone needs to tell Suave Sven that a football season comprises as many away League games as there are home games and that conditions of play vary.

Furthermore the first requirement of any team is to compete. Cos if you don't compete you don't get the ball and if you don't get the ball you get your arse whipped.

Ipswich turned up. We stayed home in the warmth of our imagination.

No reason and no sodding excuses.

If Svven wants a fine weather contract he should ask and leave someone else to cope when it rains, snows or turns windy.

Anyone can put a decent team together with endless funds. But it takes someone special to make just anyone play, anytime, anywhere. Time for the man to stand up in my view and for his team to do the same.

Cos no-one's going to let us play all our games at home in the sodding sunshine.

Just got back from the game.

Thracian, you manage to make one or two good points, lost in the bilge that surrounds it.

You're correct in saying that we were poor. "Insipid" was the word that sprung to mind when I reflected on the first half. Second to every loose ball and incapable of controlling it when we got hold of it.

Ipswich played significantly better than us and were well worthy of their win.

However, that pitch was never playable in a million years. The centre of the pitch in particular must have had about three inches of snow. I don't think I saw one player from either side break out into a full-on sprint over the 90 minutes as they couldn't trust the surface. It made the game a woeful spectacle - one that fans had paid up to £30 for.

Irrespective of a "health and safety society", this pitch was simply not playable. It seemed that at times people weren't even treading on the grass, just the snow which covered it. That Attwell even inspected the whole pitch when he came back out after the 10 minute delay was a joke. Surely you'd look out of the tunnel and go "I got a bit carried away before and didn't notice how bad it was, but this is fooking ridiculous"?

As for the 2 Fryatt passes, they were embarrassingly shit, but to single him out when the entire team failed to string 2 passes together is hardly surprising given his marmite reputation amongst supporters. Gallagher was woeful for the 65 minutes he was on, but that neglected a mention. How he gets in the side every week is completely beyond me. The guy's a total luxury.

I've been to five aways this season, and in four of them I've seen contenders for "worst first half display ever" - Swansea, Watford, Palace and now this. Why the **** do I bother? I'm gutted, what a waste of a day.

EDIT: The highlight for me was "We never score from a corner". A ray of sunshine.

[Corky]

As for the 2 Fryatt passes, they were embarrassingly shit, but to single him out when the entire team failed to string 2 passes together is hardly surprising given his marmite reputation amongst supporters. Gallagher was woeful for the 65 minutes he was on, but that neglected a mention. How he gets in the side every week is completely beyond me. The guy's a total luxury.

I've been to five aways this season, and in four of them I've seen contenders for "worst first half display ever" - Swansea, Watford, Palace and now this. Why the **** do I bother? I'm gutted, what a waste of a day.

EDIT: The highlight for me was "We never score from a corner". A ray of sunshine.

Agree with this, none of our players put in a display you could pick many positives from, plenty of misplaced passes and poor touches long before Fryatt came on.

I hope that the fans battling up the motorways are safe. It must be horrendous right now.

[Kent]

I'd imagine Roys probably had a firm word with the ref during the 15 min break just to make sure it goes ahead, wouldn't surprise me.

[Salieri]

I'd imagine Roys probably had a firm word with the ref during the 15 min break just to make sure it goes ahead, wouldn't surprise me.

And if the boot was on the other foot, i'd have fully expected Sven to do the same.

[smudgerfox]

To me it had very little to do with style and conditions - we just continually and needlessly conceded possession from the first minute to the last. Ipswich held on to the ball and played the ball to a man in space but close to feet. Time and time again we won possession and then gave it straight back with a feeble effort - sometimes due to lack of options, sometimes due to over ambition and sometimes YES because we failed to take into account the conditions....it's also lack of intelligence and lack of leadership on the field..

The second goal resulted from a bad Davies header into midfield staright to them , King got it back, and was almost instantly robbed and the goal developed from there. It doesn't matter what the conditions are or what style you prefer, you can't afford to be giving the ball away twice in twenty seconds and we did that over and over again. Vassell's ball retention was particularly appalling - I can't remember a single time the ball went to him and he kept it. The ball out from Davies and Cunningham was frequently misplaced and Ipswich won nearly every second ball.

We were murdered in the first half, it wasn't unlike Portsmouth and the coach has to take some responsibility for not delivering a better performance than that. And if anyone thinks there's no room to question Sven's credentials I give you Chris Kirkland, clearly crocked from day one and on the evidence of tonight no better than Chris Weale anyway. The speculation over the arrival of CK has humiliated the other keepers at the club and to justify that he simply has to be obviously better than them. His dithering groundwork and non-appearance for crosses marked him out not as the definite number one but just another flawed candidate for the keeper shirt.

[Thracian]

Just got back from the game.

Thracian, you manage to make one or two good points, lost in the bilge that surrounds it.

You're correct in saying that we were poor. "Insipid" was the word that sprung to mind when I reflected on the first half. Second to every loose ball and incapable of controlling it when we got hold of it.

Ipswich played significantly better than us and were well worthy of their win.

However, that pitch was never playable in a million years. The centre of the pitch in particular must have had about three inches of snow. I don't think I saw one player from either side break out into a full-on sprint over the 90 minutes as they couldn't trust the surface. It made the game a woeful spectacle - one that fans had paid up to £30 for.

Irrespective of a "health and safety society", this pitch was simply not playable. It seemed that at times people weren't even treading on the grass, just the snow which covered it. That Attwell even inspected the whole pitch when he came back out after the 10 minute delay was a joke. Surely you'd look out of the tunnel and go "I got a bit carried away before and didn't notice how bad it was, but this is fooking ridiculous"?

As for the 2 Fryatt passes, they were embarrassingly shit, but to single him out when the entire team failed to string 2 passes together is hardly surprising given his marmite reputation amongst supporters. Gallagher was woeful for the 65 minutes he was on, but that neglected a mention. How he gets in the side every week is completely beyond me. The guy's a total luxury.

I've been to five aways this season, and in four of them I've seen contenders for "worst first half display ever" - Swansea, Watford, Palace and now this. Why the **** do I bother? I'm gutted, what a waste of a day.

EDIT: The highlight for me was "We never score from a corner". A ray of sunshine.

Regarding the pitch, it was simply no excuse. The ref said game on, Ipswich got on with it and we never stopped moaning. Result 3-0. Not the refs fault, the pitch's fault, the snow's fault or the distraction of the snowmen on the wall. It was our fault.

If we'd won 3-0 no-one would have given a toss about the snow.

As for Fryatt, he got his mention because someone called so passionately for his recall not because he was any worse than anyone else. In fact Fryatt probably had our only decent shot apart from the disallowed goal.

[The Doctor]

And if the boot was on the other foot, i'd have fully expected Sven to do the same.

aye, i think we're over using the poor conditions as a excuse.

We wouldn't have been this bothered if we'd won and we'd've be calling for the game to have been completed were we in ipswich's position.

edit: In the end, we're overly attached emotionally to our team and sometimes to lessen the pain we have to stick our heads in the sand and blame everything than accept it.

[ajthefox]

Just got back from the game.

Thracian, you manage to make one or two good points, lost in the bilge that surrounds it.

You're correct in saying that we were poor. "Insipid" was the word that sprung to mind when I reflected on the first half. Second to every loose ball and incapable of controlling it when we got hold of it.

Ipswich played significantly better than us and were well worthy of their win.

However, that pitch was never playable in a million years. The centre of the pitch in particular must have had about three inches of snow. I don't think I saw one player from either side break out into a full-on sprint over the 90 minutes as they couldn't trust the surface. It made the game a woeful spectacle - one that fans had paid up to £30 for.

Irrespective of a "health and safety society", this pitch was simply not playable. It seemed that at times people weren't even treading on the grass, just the snow which covered it. That Attwell even inspected the whole pitch when he came back out after the 10 minute delay was a joke. Surely you'd look out of the tunnel and go "I got a bit carried away before and didn't notice how bad it was, but this is fooking ridiculous"?

As for the 2 Fryatt passes, they were embarrassingly shit, but to single him out when the entire team failed to string 2 passes together is hardly surprising given his marmite reputation amongst supporters. Gallagher was woeful for the 65 minutes he was on, but that neglected a mention. How he gets in the side every week is completely beyond me. The guy's a total luxury.

I've been to five aways this season, and in four of them I've seen contenders for "worst first half display ever" - Swansea, Watford, Palace and now this. Why the **** do I bother? I'm gutted, what a waste of a day.

EDIT: The highlight for me was "We never score from a corner". A ray of sunshine.

What crazy stuff are you on??

The whole reason we lost was because of two astray passes from fryatt!!

[breadandcheese]

Regarding the pitch, it was simply no excuse. The ref said game on, Ipswich got on with it and we never stopped moaning. Result 3-0. Not the refs fault, the pitch's fault, the snow's fault or the distraction of the snowmen on the wall. It was our fault. If we'd won 3-0 no-one would have given a toss about the snow.

Out of interest, we've picked up injuries today related to the pitch conditions. If we struggle because of this, is that the ref's fault or just moaning for the sake of it?

[themotivator]

we were so shite, i had forgotten we had scored a goal...

[Blue fox David]

Oh and NOW we're the first and featured game on football league show... Typical!

[Thracian]

Out of interest, we've picked up injuries today related to the pitch conditions. If we struggle because of this, is that the ref's fault or just moaning for the sake of it?

Who said the injuries are just down to the pitch? People played more often and on far worse pitches in the past and coped so why, now, with all our fitness aids should everyone be so extraodinarily vulnerable?

Kirkland is a walking sicknote. Why is today's match anything special? Shouldn't ever have been playing.

Vitor is like a procelain doll, almost forever broken since he came here.

I'd say our biggest risk today was not the pitch but our whole attitude cos I didn't see Ipswich losing lots of players injured.

The truth is our team wasn't interested. There minds were on copping out - particularly second half = and when you've a less than half-hearted attitude you're always likely to get injured as a result,

[marbelladave]

Was planning to go today, the snow started with us in north west London around 10.30, by 11.30, when I had to pick up Mrs M from the Gym the roads were virtually impassable, we live on the top of a hill and just made it back before the roads locked up, there was no way to get out of Harrow, let alone get to Ipswich.

Stayed at home and watched the progression of the snow on the weather radar ( http://www.raintoday.co.uk/ ), it was obvious that it was going to dump on Ipswich from about 5.00 onwards and given the 4 - 8 inches we got in London, it was going to really **** with the game.

The conditions were piss poor at kick off time but more importantly it was 100% clear that there would not be any improvement during the time of the game. It was a poor deciscion to start and an even worse one to continue after half time.

That said, in piss poor conditions only one side turned up, forget tactics or team selection, what we needed was bottle and we did not have any.

That's it, pure and simple.

[Thracian]

What crazy stuff are you on??

The whole reason we lost was because of two astray passes from fryatt!!

Fryatt's passes were symptomatic of our entire performance today but eh was no worse than anyone else. Not one of them deserved a word of praise.

[breadandcheese]

Who said the injuries are just down to the pitch. People played more often and on far worse pitches in the past and coped so why, now, with all our fitness aids should everyone be so extraodinarily vulnerable?

Kirkland is a walking sicknote. Why is today's match anything special? Shouldn't ever have been playing.

Vitor is like a procelain doll, almost forever broken since he came here.

I'd say our biggest risk today was not the pitch but our whole attitude cos I didn't see Ipswich losing lots of players injured.

The truth is our team wasn't interested. There minds were on copping out - particularly second half = and when you've a less than half-hearted attitude you're always likely to get injured as a result,

The game has changed considerably so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Bigger and better teams today did not play in similar conditions. That should tell it's own story. I'm not sure Man U nor Chelsea are mugs so if they're not playing tomorrow when they've got 24 hours to get the pitch right, there's a good reason.

Davies and Vitor have picked up injuries. This will affect Sven's decision making for who he picks, so the ref's decision to play in ridiculous conditions for football has cost us.

Yes, Ipswich looked better than us, I'm not denying that, but I'm also not putting a lot of stock behind it as no football should have been played today and was a freak of a day. This is supposed to be football at the highest level below the premier league. It is not supposed to be jumpers for goalposts, botched football, playing in snow on an icy pitch.

[Corky]

Seen the goals again on TV, the defending was poor for the first and third goals. We should've cleared before it even reached Norris and for the third- Yuki, mate, just clear the ball over the stands, don't try and take people on in your own box on a blanket of snow.

[Brainy]

The game should have been called off, but Ipswich deserved there win and Sven got it wrong. I think most people realise this.

[Guest bennytwohats]

I don't really know how people can say the snow wasn't an excuse, was an absolute joke that this game went ahead by the looks of things.

That said, we coped with it shit, they coped with it well, and on the whole looked more up for it than us. Bit of a shitter but i think Atwell did well to finish the match, would have been a injustice if he let it get to 60 mins, 3-0 and then call the game off. But i personally don't think he should have started it at all

Anyway, the away form is an issue but i'm not gonna read too much into today - ignoring the fact that Ipswich did so well, i don't particularly feel let down by the fact our players struggled with those conditions

[ibbosuk]

Wow, that's quite a comeback.

I'm speechless.

You really are one of the clowns on here who only surface on the back of a dodgy result, constructive criticism is fine and justified but i don't think you possess the mental capacity for such.

Funny how there's no sign of you or your ilk on the back of a good result.

Oh sorry matie, L = Lost / Blip = 1 ( like on a sub...Blip (fvck Lost)....Blip (fvck Lost)....Blip (fvck Lost)....Blip (fvck Lost) on the radar. ( Yes I did/do watch Voyage to the bottom of the sea, thats how I know for a FACT that "BLIPS" are no fvcking good, so you should stop defending them !!!!

Carn't think of anything thats constuctive in Blips.