Kitchandro Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Errmmm... I never said every time a player has a couple of shit games he should be dropped, did I? I was merely offering an alternative view for Mee's inclusion yesterday. Hobbs was shit away at Millwall over the Christmas period of which you speak and he was exceptionally lucky not to be sent off during a torrid game away at Man City. Those are cold, hard facts. Didn't think it was that hard to grasp. In fairness to Mee, the only thing Hobbs would have offered us yesterday that Mee didn't was a better aerial presence. But even considering that, he was given the runaround by Morison at The Den and was at fault for at least 1 of the goals there - the same as Mee yesterday. Again, I like Jack Hobbs. I think he has the makings of a fantastic defender and I'd love to see him stick around for years. But I don't think dropping him yesterday was an awful decision and I could certainly understand Sven's way of thinking (if my previous post was indeed his logic behind the dropping). Well either you support Sven's decision to drop him or you don't. He was given a run around by the Tevez at Eastlands, big whoop. He was also very assured against them at home. I didn't see the Milwall away game but in the rest over that period he was on good form. The point is he had a bad performance against Man City (that's Man City) and made a bad mistake against Preston. Previously he had been on good form but Sven dropped him after 2 bad performances. It seems to me he just wants an excuse to drop him.
marbelladave Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Hobbs is not a long term solution to the Left CB position, if anyone is keeping him out of the team it's been Curtis Davies and now Bamba at Right CB. We've needed a Left CB since we lost Tunchev, Brown was never more than a temporary replacement who got more games than expected due to the unplanned length of Tunchev's injuries. I can see the Left CB being occupied by Vitor, Mee and then Hobbs unless we make a more permanent signing. This is the important bit.... Given our current attacking style the center backs have to be able to cover their full backs, whose rampaging style will leave them out of position on occassions. Hobbs is even more exposed covering for the left back and very uncomfortable in that area, if Bamba is going to remain first choice center back then the best Hobbs can hope for is the bench. Vitor looks like an outstanding player, but he looks like the bench is the best he can hope for too, far too fragile to play every week, let alone twice a week, if the press is to be believed Norales may be coming in, anyone know if he can play on the left? Our current passing style is built on the ball being brought or passed out of the defence, any of you still missing last years back line and NFP style defending need to have a serious word with yourself!
CosbehFox Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Yeah Millwall with their town full of pakis, leicester taliban, ingurland. Morons. Third club who've performed it this season. All nobbers....getting tired of it.
lcfc_jme Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Well either you support Sven's decision to drop him or you don't. He was given a run around by the Tevez at Eastlands, big whoop. He was also very assured against them at home. I didn't see the Milwall away game but in the rest over that period he was on good form. The point is he had a bad performance against Man City (that's Man City) and made a bad mistake against Preston. Previously he had been on good form but Sven dropped him after 2 bad performances. It seems to me he just wants an excuse to drop him. No you see, that's where we differ. Yes it's no shame being given the runaround by Tevez, but making horrendous mistakes against both the team he was dropped against and the bottom of the table side in the last minute of the game both costing goals means that he's had 3 bad games in 6. That kind of erratic form could do the lad more damage mentally than being dropped in the long run. Put simply, being dropped and seeing Mee struggle in the way that he did should make Jack Hobbs very confident about getting back into the side and much more determined to cut the errors out and up his performance levels in order to stay there. In short, yes I support Sven's decision to drop him for the Millwall game for the reasons outlined in this and my previous two posts,but asked whether he should get back in the side for our next game away at Sheff Yoo? I'd also have to say yes, he should.
Kitchandro Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 This is the important bit.... Given our current attacking style the center backs have to be able to cover their full backs, whose rampaging style will leave them out of position on occassions. Hobbs is even more exposed covering for the left back and very uncomfortable in that area, if Bamba is going to remain first choice center back then the best Hobbs can hope for is the bench. Vitor looks like an outstanding player, but he looks like the bench is the best he can hope for too, far too fragile to play every week, let alone twice a week, if the press is to be believed Norales may be coming in, anyone know if he can play on the left? Our current passing style is built on the ball being brought or passed out of the defence, any of you still missing last years back line and NFP style defending need to have a serious word with yourself! Passing it out of defence comes second to defending. Vitor is much better and bringing it out from the back but defending? Not that good. No better than Hobbs anyway. All the defenders need to do is make sure we don't concede, then give it to the players (such as the midfielders) who can pass it. This has always been the first role of a defender. Sorry but I don't think we've conceded loads of goals this season because the defenders can't pass it, we've conceded loads because we've lacked organisation, communication, confidence and before we got Bamba - aerial dominance.
CosbehFox Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Our current passing style is built on the ball being brought or passed out of the defence, any of you still missing last years back line and NFP style defending need to have a serious word with yourself! It wasn't really the case last season. Under Pearson, you always had a midfielder looking to collect the ball from the defender. Back in Levein/Adams days, it was get it to the full-back who would simply launch it towards a striker. Also Mee's mid/long-range passing was downright woeful. Brown-esque in fact.
FeedtheYak Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 I fancy putting a large bet on us to reach the playoffs
Kitchandro Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 It wasn't really the case last season. Under Pearson, you always had a midfielder looking to collect the ball from the defender. Back in Levein/Adams days, it was get it to the full-back who would simply launch it towards a striker. Also Mee's mid/long-range passing was downright woeful. Brown-esque in fact. I used the exact same word yesterday Hobbs has bags of potential. He has performed inconsistently this season because he hasn't been in a settled back 4. I don't understand why people don't think he has a long term future with us.
B52 Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 So everytime a player has a couple of shit games he's dropped? We will never develop and understanding at the back if we keep chopping and changing it. Hobbs was one of our best players over the Christmas period and though he had a bad game at Man City, he was immense in the home game against them. He was a regular last season and won player of the year, this year he's been in and out of the side, and even when he's played has had a different centre back partner every other week. In any case Mee was no better than Hobbs has been in the last 2 games. Look at Bamba. He has, nearly, Tevez in his pocket because they think alike. Then on the other side of the field it was fun watching Bamba when he tried to get past his defender when he tried to score against Man C. I haven't seen Hobbs do anything like that........ Should we drop Bamba and let Hobbs take his natural position?
Kitchandro Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Look at Bamba. He has, nearly, Tevez in his pocket because they think alike. Then on the other side of the field it was fun watching Bamba when he tried to get past his defender when he tried to score against Man C. I haven't seen Hobbs do anything like that........ Should we drop Bamba and let Hobbs take his natural position? No I'm not saying that - where did I say we should drop Bamba? I'm saying the Bamba-Hobbs partnership needs time so they can develop an understanding.
Solihullfox Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 No I'm not saying that - where did I say we should drop Bamba? I'm saying the Bamba-Hobbs partnership needs time so they can develop an understanding. Agreed, they do need time but the cynical view would be that Sven needs to play Ben Mee - both to get him some experience and to keep the loan club and manager happy so that there is some point in him being on loan at Leicester. Again cynically, if we don't keep Mr Mancini happy, we don't get access to other Man City players. Might well be miles wide of the mark but could explain why he threw him in against a big, solid and aggressive attack (which with his size and experience seemed a bit odd)
Stevosevic Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Agreed, they do need time but the cynical view would be that Sven needs to play Ben Mee - both to get him some experience and to keep the loan club and manager happy so that there is some point in him being on loan at Leicester. Again cynically, if we don't keep Mr Mancini happy, we don't get access to other Man City players. Might well be miles wide of the mark but could explain why he threw him in against a big, solid and aggressive attack (which with his size and experience seemed a bit odd) Or maybe Sven just seems him as a better option at CB than Hobbs for the remainder of the season.
B52 Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Agreed, they do need time but the cynical view would be that Sven needs to play Ben Mee - both to get him some experience and to keep the loan club and manager happy so that there is some point in him being on loan at Leicester. Again cynically, if we don't keep Mr Mancini happy, we don't get access to other Man City players. Might well be miles wide of the mark but could explain why he threw him in against a big, solid and aggressive attack (which with his size and experience seemed a bit odd) On the other hand. Sven let Smeichel and Hart have six games each before he decided who to play as first keeper at Man C. Both very inexperienced at the time and Sven had the experienced swedish first keeper, Isaksson, who he later let go because Hart became No. 1. If Sven sees potential in Mee I can't argue with that.
Kenners Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Bamba on twitter Sol Bamba Something tells me he wouldn't use a picture of Drogba as his profile picture?
okie fox Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 If Sven sees potential in Mee I can't argue with that. I can't see Mee keeping his place after that performance, Apart from the one great tackle at the end, he did little of note. Morison was too strong and quick for him, and gave him a torrid time. None of Hobbs' performances have been as weak as Mee's yesterday.
martyn Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Mee will be doing well to perform as poorly as that again in his entire career. He did about 2 things right in the entire game and Morison had him on toast. Sven obviously sees something but I struggled to see the raw attributes to work on, he seemed slow, lacking in strength and couldn't distribute any distance over about 10 yards. He wasn't helped however by a poor performance by Bruno alongside him. We will see. Thought that despite good individual performances, we were far too open in the midfield area. Often after an attack broke down, Millwall only had to play a couple of passes and they were bearing down on our defence. A more clinical outfit than Millwall (who otherwise impressed me) could have put us to the sword.
gibwarrior1988 Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 I used the exact same word yesterday Hobbs has bags of potential. He has performed inconsistently this season because he hasn't been in a settled back 4. I don't understand why people don't think he has a long term future with us. :nod:
Corky Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Mee struggled from the moment he gave away the early penalty. It was a poor first touch and he seemed to lack composure thereafter. Having said that, Morison is no easy opponent and I'll give him a few more games before making a true judgement on him.
Captain... Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 Mee vs Hobbs. Not a bad idea to give Mee a game yesterday see how he performs, although I would have given him a go at LB, give Berner a rest or at least have brought him on as sub at some point before throwing him in there. Fair play Hobbs hasn't been his best of recent weeks and we have Mee at the club, we are paying his wages, we should play him, otherwise what is the point of paying that money for him, we might as well have academy players on the bench as cover (I would arguably prefer that). We now have 2 weeks off so it gives Sven some things to think about. Try to make Bamba and Hobbs work as a partnership with Mee as back up, give Mee and Bamba a chance to develop a better understanding, or bring in another CB. What has pissed me off though is that Mee, who is not our player and untried at any senior level has had a chance and Waghorn so far hasn't. It was the same with Fryatt why are non Leicester players getting the nod ahead of Leicester players, and the likes of Fryatt and now Waghorn are not getting a look in. I'm not saying the Waggy would be better than DV or Dyer but I bet he would love the chance to have 60-90 minutes alongside Yakubu, give a chance to prove what he can do when not making 10 minute cameos with the game already won/lost. We nearly lost Berner because of this kind of treatmeant now it looks like Waggy might go elsewhere before too soon. He deserves at least one chance to prove he can be an assett this season, even if his starts are limited, but when you see the likes of Oakley and Howard being brought on to "change the game" ahead of him, it must be very frustrating. He has talent and ability and he has proved it before. Sven, give him a chance before it's too late.
B52 Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 I can't see Mee keeping his place after that performance, Apart from the one great tackle at the end, he did little of note. Morison was too strong and quick for him, and gave him a torrid time. None of Hobbs' performances have been as weak as Mee's yesterday. I can't say anything about Mee because I missed the game. But I think it's strange that a CB can be so bad, without support from Berner, and still can defend so we don't let in a few goals more..... I have seen Naughton and others do passes I couldn't believe... Why are such bad passers still at the club. Mee had an awful start and I think everyone has been in that position before. You get in on the wrong foot and can't get it right. You have to start over and I think Sven will let him get his feet back on track. Sven has Hobbs already. Now he needs Mee to perform too. Can't you see why???? We need all good players we can get and Hobbs is paid to do his job when the manager calls. When we are in the playoffs you'll see why.
Captain... Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 I can't say anything about Mee because I missed the game. But I think it's strange that a CB can be so bad, without support from Berner, and still can defend so we don't let in a few goals more..... I have seen Naughton and others do passes I couldn't believe... Why are such bad passers still at the club. Mee had an awful start and I think everyone has been in that position before. You get in on the wrong foot and can't get it right. You have to start over and I think Sven will let him get his feet back on track. Sven has Hobbs already. Now he needs Mee to perform too. Can't you see why???? We need all good players we can get and Hobbs is paid to do his job when the manager calls. When we are in the playoffs you'll see why. ...but Sven doesn't seem to want to do that, he doesn't seem to be interested in building a squad, he wants to find his best 11 and the best formation and stick with it, to hell with the rest of the squad, playing conditions (home or away, blizzard at Ipswich) or opposition strengths. His style seems to be decide on the best players (sometimes regardless of form) and then play the players into the ground until they are injured then think shit who can I play there now. He was playing Mee with a view to replacing Hobbs like he did with Davies, Vitor and Bamba. If Mee had played a blinder Hobbs wouldn't have got a look in for the rest of the season I'm pretty sure about that. Further proof of that is we hardly ever make tactical substitutions before the 75th minute, except in unusual circumstances, such as the opposition being reduced to 10 men. If we are losing we make decisions too late to affect the game if we are winning then a few first teamers get 10 minutes rest but the players brought on have no time to make any impact. The likes of Waghorn and Moussa and Mee should be having regular 30 minute run outs whether we need fresh legs in the middle at the back or up top, as it is they are neither satisfied with the amount of game time they are getting, nor contributing anything to the team. Granted Sven is a well seasoned professional experienced manager and maybe his style will reap huge rewards for the club, but as it stands an injury to our first 11 and we will be very exposed, with very little cover across the board, especially if Waghorn does go. Of course all of this become irrelevant if we sign 3 or few players next week, but as it stands our first eleven is starting to gel while our back up players leave/want to leave/stagnate on the bench.
Kitchandro Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 ...but Sven doesn't seem to want to do that, he doesn't seem to be interested in building a squad, he wants to find his best 11 and the best formation and stick with it, to hell with the rest of the squad, playing conditions (home or away, blizzard at Ipswich) or opposition strengths. His style seems to be decide on the best players (sometimes regardless of form) and then play the players into the ground until they are injured then think shit who can I play there. He was playing Mee with a view to replacing Hobbs like he did with Davies, Vitor and Bamba. If Mee had played a blinder Hobbs wouldn't have got a look in for the rest of the season I'm pretty sure about that. Further proof of that is we hardly ever make tactical substitutions before the 75th minute, except in unusual circumstances, such as the opposition being reduced to 10 men. If we are losing we make decisions too late to affect the game if we are winning then a few first teamers get 10 minutes rest but the players brought on have no time to make any impact. The likes of Waghorn and Moussa and Mee should be having regular 30 minute run outs whether we need fresh legs in the middle at the back or up top, as it is they are neither satisfied with the amount of game time thy are getting, nor contributing anything to the team. Granted Sven is a well seasoned professional experienced manager and maybe his style will reap huge rewards for the club, but as it stands an injury to our first 11 and we will be very exposed, with very little cover across the board, especially if Waghorn does go. Of course all of this become irrelevant if we sign 3 or few players next week, but as it stands our first eleven is starting to gel while our back up players leave/want to leave/stagnate on the bench. I agree with this, Sven has always had his favourites, and then players he doesn't like and he seems to let them rot. It's a shame that the players he doesn't like are Waghorn and Hobbs though, because they are definitely good players and should be worth his time. I know he wants to do things his way but I think he should stop and look at the players we've got as well. Buying a whole new team in a short space of time won't work anyway. I also agree about substitutions, that's never been his strong point.
Bettsj2 Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 ...but Sven doesn't seem to want to do that, he doesn't seem to be interested in building a squad, he wants to find his best 11 and the best formation and stick with it, to hell with the rest of the squad, playing conditions (home or away, blizzard at Ipswich) or opposition strengths. His style seems to be decide on the best players (sometimes regardless of form) and then play the players into the ground until they are injured then think shit who can I play there. He was playing Mee with a view to replacing Hobbs like he did with Davies, Vitor and Bamba. If Mee had played a blinder Hobbs wouldn't have got a look in for the rest of the season I'm pretty sure about that. Further proof of that is we hardly ever make tactical substitutions before the 75th minute, except in unusual circumstances, such as the opposition being reduced to 10 men. If we are losing we make decisions too late to affect the game if we are winning then a few first teamers get 10 minutes rest but the players brought on have no time to make any impact. The likes of Waghorn and Moussa and Mee should be having regular 30 minute run outs whether we need fresh legs in the middle at the back or up top, as it is they are neither satisfied with the amount of game time thy are getting, nor contributing anything to the team. Granted Sven is a well seasoned professional experienced manager and maybe his style will reap huge rewards for the club, but as it stands an injury to our first 11 and we will be very exposed, with very little cover across the board, especially if Waghorn does go. Of course all of this become irrelevant if we sign 3 or few players next week, but as it stands our first eleven is starting to gel while our back up players leave/want to leave/stagnate on the bench. As it stands, every word you've written is bullshit. You talk as if there is some conspiracy against contracted Leicester players. Hobbs has been playing shit, when Fryatt played this season he was shit, Waghorn has looked shit, Moussa is just plain shit. As for the tactics.........actually **** this, you obviously know more than anyone else.
gibwarrior1988 Posted 23 January 2011 Posted 23 January 2011 As it stands, every word you've written is bullshit. You talk as if there is some conspiracy against contracted Leicester players. Hobbs has been playing shit, when Fryatt played this season he was shit, Waghorn has looked shit, Moussa is just plain shit. As for the tactics.........actually **** this, you obviously know more than anyone else. Can you name a time when the previously on form Leicester players have been given a proper chance to bed in with the bought in players? Hobbs has not been playing shit at all, his confidence will come back when consistantly paired with the same players. Sven is taking every opportunity to not give some of them a chance to get the same sort of form back we saw last year.
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