Lineker's Left Foot Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 After yesterday's disappointment, I was thinking whether it really is that much of a disappointment IF we don't go up this year?? After having such a bad start, to be fair we've done exceptionally well getting to where we are now. We have chance to go on another good run starting away at QPR, but even if we don't go up, I personally feel that SGE will still be here next year, plus we've got the backing of the owners. I feel therefore that it wouldn't be such a major disaster considering where we are before SGE arrived.
Guest ttfn Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 I think the really concerning thing is the change in personnel that could happen this summer if we don't go up. Can't see Yakubu hanging around, and Naughton could easily be snapped up by a Prem club. King could possibly leave too, which would be nothing short of a disaster. We're all happy with Sven, but how realistic are the Thais? Do they realise that not going up this year isn't Sven's fault? Because if Sven went, we really would be back to square 1.
shailen Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 Nope look where we were start of season, most of us would have taken avoiding relegation-midtable finish
Cropwellfox Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 I think the really concerning thing is the change in personnel that could happen this summer if we don't go up. Can't see Yakubu hanging around, and Naughton could easily be snapped up by a Prem club. King could possibly leave too, which would be nothing short of a disaster. We're all happy with Sven, but how realistic are the Thais? Do they realise that not going up this year isn't Sven's fault? Because if Sven went, we really would be back to square 1. I don't think there'll be a problem with the Thais with regard to Sven staying, but the change in personnel is potentially a real worry. No real chance any of the loanees will stay - don't be surprised if Warnock snaps up Naughton. We will need a completely new defence putting together, at the moment the only defenders Sven seems to have any time for at all that are ours are Bamba and Hobbs, with Berner as very much a back-up player. There's also a number of contracted players that will need bouncing out of the squad over the summer too, which as we know from previous experience isn't exactly easy. It's a real balancing act for Sven and Hoos. We're spending a hell of a lot of money in loan wages this year to try and take advantage of a division which was frankly there for the taking, but if we don't make the top 6 you could argue we've wasted at least a couple of million which could be diverted into next years' player budget.
OmnipresentSam Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 If we can keep King, and maybe sign a couple of the loan players on a permanent deal, it will be fine not going up. The problem is, what happens if everybody decides to jump-ship to a lower down Prem club.
NorthEastFox Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 I think the thai owners are well aware of the chances of promotion... Its nothing you can guarantee.. Even if you bought tevez and fabregas..(which is an unreal scenario). They have practically bought the best players/manager they could get to play in the championship.
ibbosuk Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 Disaster....Well now let me think......We make the play off's last season on next to nothing. This season we have spent shed loads on managers and the team and we are not even gonna make the play offs. Well its a hard one.....I think I'll have to sit on the fence on this one... Thai's.... You Should Of Gone To
shailen Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 yes because we were all expecting promotion after our fantastic start to the season!
Sooper Steve's shin Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 Expectations change and, provided they are realistic, there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. Before the start of the season, after finishing where we did and coming so close last season then promotion (play-offs as a minimum) was definitely our goal and a realistic objective. After the first ten games, things were clearly not working and I think everyone's expectations/hope changed to avoiding relegation. We have to look at the present and say we have put ourselves in a decent position to get into the play-offs. And then, once you get there, you have to say that promotion is the objective and anything less would be a disappointment. That's not being greedy, but realistic. We have more than two months of the season to go and we're two points outside the play-offs. I would be disappointed if we missed out now. Once we get there, it's a lottery and provided we give a decent showing then I think we could say overall we'd had a decent season (even if we didn't quite better last year). It's been such a massive effort by players, management and owners to build the momentum back up to get where we are today that it would be massively deflating to fail to get promotion this season. Having said all that (and to answer the OP's actual question), I don't think it would be a "disaster" if we didn't go up. If we went into the summer as a Championship side but with Sven and Top as committed as they have been so far then we'd have every reason to expect that next season will be better. I know there would be an exodus of the loan players and possibly one or two stars, but I have confidence that our management/owners would ensure we had more than adequate replacements. You'd probably also see us making more quality, permanent signings for a big push - this season has necessarily been a patching-up job to bring in short-term loan signings to rectify Sousa's (and Milan's) mistakes. Next season you would have Sven's team and that should make us all the better for it.
marbelladave Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 Let's get real for moment. Sven was brought in to get us up, this season! The money has been made available and the target set. There is no team building going on, the strategy is very short term, bring in players good enough to get us up and rebuild in the summer, simple as that! A couple of weeks this was in the bag, now there's no chance, welcome to the roller coaster...
davieG Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 Disaster's a bit strong but I'm sure the Thai's would see it as a big set back to their plans considering their expenditure and the obvious debts being accumulated. From a player perspective I don't think it's a big deal the team will undergo massive changes in the summer whether we go up or not. Having come in late Sven's only been tinkering with the team. If we go up I don't see him necessarily trying to sign any of the loanees they were brought in under difficult circumstances to get us in the PL despite some great performances from some of them he may not see them as the players to keep us in the PL after all by definition none of them are considered good enough to start for a current PL team.
FuriousFox46 Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 No, Next year, the other 23 sides will be our bitches
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 Its not a disaster, but it would have been a waste of money.
cc_star Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 Given that they've come out & said they've already spent more than planned (Yakubu's fees & wages along with Naughton's fees to Spurs being the principle reason I believe, but obviously don't know for certain) I would think the owners would be thinking it's not far off a disaster, although disaster is probably a strong word. Will it be an actual disaster, probably not - they did have a 2 year plan to go up, but I think they've bought most of the year 2's funding forwards to gamble on going up this year - quite where that leaves next years budget isn't known and for next season I worry that it's highly likely that the teams coming down from the Prem will perform better than Portsmouth, Burnley & Hull have who strangely for relegated teams with parachute payments have all been in the bottom half for half a season, when usually 1 relegated team runs away with the division and another is not far behind. What could be construed as a disaster is the dismantling of our team in exchange for temporary replacements, who, yes, are performing at the level required for promotion whereas the people they've replaced weren't, but that doesn't change the fact they are purely a gamble on going up and being able to sign (the majority) of them in the summer if we do. Not going up will mean we have coached & furthered the career of players who will only benefit other clubs but not our own, at the expense of our own younger players we could have furthered our own younger player for our own benefit so that they themselves are able to perform at the required level next season, rather than starting from scratch again. Having Sven for a whole season will probably mean we don't have a disastrous first quarter, but if we are to have a reduced budget thanks to the fact that year2's budget has been brought forward for this year's gamble, I don't know Sven will go on replacing so many temporary players who are able to perform at a higher level than we'd be able to attract on permanent deals but with less money. Basically the short-termism could be a disaster, but as we're only 2pts outside the playoffs we still have a real chance at the lottery of the play-offs, so the gamble could still pay off yet
Dylan Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 Well from bottom of the table with 5 points from 9 games, we've done great to get where we are now- top of the table form. Just it might be seen as disappointing if we don't make the playoffs from here- as we're in a great position to do so. Hopefully the Thai owners realise it was a very difficult challenge to get promoted this season (after that start) and give Sven another year- then I'll be confident we'll go up via automatic next season, as long as we can keep King and Wellens, and hopefully retain Naughton if possible. I'm confident we can still get decent loanees from the PL if we don't go up for next season- as long as Sven is here.
dave the caveman Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 ... at the expense of our own younger players we could have furthered our own younger player for our own benefit so that they themselves are able to perform at the required level next season... The required level next season is automatic promotion. Do you honestly think that some first team football this year would have been enough to transform our youngsters into league winners? Is it that easy? You just play them and they automatically become the best players in the league? Out of interest, which of our younger players do you think could have undergone this transformation? Please make my day and say Fryatt.
jamesmilner Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 ask the thais if its a disaster !!!! the answer is yes . makes me laugh how all our fans are/were shouting premiership football then reality sets in and they want to soften the blow . i know fans are fickle but what a stupid, daft ,idiotic question !!!!!!!!!!! and we still have a slim chance too !
Mack Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 In a word, yes. this whole side has been built with a lot of loans to get us up. If it does not happen we wont sign any of them meaning a huge change in personnel, plus prem sides will be sniffing around King, Wellens, Bamba, Vassell etc. And add a good offer for Sven and it could be real carnage.
Finnegan Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 If the board stick with Sven, give him his own summer and his own full season? Might prove to be better in the long run than if we went straight up now. If the board sack Sven off or he goes elsewhere of his own accord? Disaster.
m00nie Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 what a differnce a couple of games makes.. in the last thread "will sven stay" people jumped on the op ridiculing the thread wanting it closed etc.. least now some people can see into things a bit more and realise theres no guarantee we will be able to keep him, and there is the chance he could be sacked or poached...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 The Thais aren't going to sack Sven and he isn't going to leave by his own accord. Get real.
m00nie Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 The Thais aren't going to sack Sven and he isn't going to leave by his own accord. Get real. dont stop there, why not tell us the lottery numbers for next week also...
Corky Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 It shouldn't be. We had a big task on to get anywhere near the top six, hopefully the owners will see this as a long-term thing. With a full pre-season and a long transfer window for Sven to make personnel changes we should be set for a strong challenge next year. But Leicester doesn't work like that.
Sniffer-Clarke Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 Overseas owners dont normally have a lot of patients as far as results go as we seen with MM whether Top and his father will remains to be seen,but IMO the next 2 games are crucial to see were we are likely to finish up this season,if its not in the play offs which i beleive is the minimum for the Thais there will probably will be mega changes.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 27 February 2011 Posted 27 February 2011 I'm opting for the not a disaster, but costly option, with a side order of realism.
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