Weale Lovers

[CupidStunt]

Jackirius is Weale

[Kitchandro]

No-one's blaming Weale. Just pointing out his errors, what he has cost, and that he's not as good as everyone thinks.

No, we already know that, you didn't need to say that. You were telling someone to get a grip who was saying it's not only his fault we aren't in the play-offs

[Jackirius]

Jackirius is Weale

[Guest Bilo]

My point is that each of these issues need to be addressed. I've actually been a big fan of Weale and as many points as he has cost us, he potentially saved us from defeat at Middlesbrough with a penalty save and definitely earned us three points at Bramall Lane with a tip-top performance.

We can't afford to be sentimental though when he's cost us more points than he has earned us. The brutal fact is that all of the top teams have a top quality keeper and we don't. That is the first issue we must address before we can progress. From there we need to tackle the defence, the lack of pace in midfield, then the lack of attacking potency. Ruthless decisions will have to be made all over the field but the GK position is the first priority. A goalkeeper can win or lose you a game, and Weale has lost us a few games. Nice guy, great first season under Pearson and has had a few decent performances this but these are the facts. I'm not suggesting freezing him out or selling him either, just that we need better options than him or Ricardo. Ricardo should leave because he simply isn't suited to English football, Logan should probably follow him and Weale should be kept as back-up.

[Kitchandro]

I think the bottom line is that Leicester fans are typically as fickle as they come.

There are so many occasions where a player has been really scapegoated to the extent that there's almost hate there, and I'm not just on about the goalkeepers.

Reading at home, Dyer was getting all kinds of stick by fans low down in the East Stand, who by the way, took great enjoyment in celebrating his goal five minutes later. Gallagher's been absolutely ribbed every time he hasn't won a header against a 6ft4 defender or planted every corner onto a Leicester head.

There's been Oakley too, absolutely crucified by some of you, but I bet such people celebrated when he smashed that in today, right?

Van Aanholt was slated just days into his Leicester career. A lot of people on here had written off Mee after just one game - but one tackle against Taarabt later and he's your favourite player! Abe's been shredded for not dominating games. King's been the "best player in the division, never sell him" goal machine one second, a few games without netting and it's all "shit, overrated, sell him."

I could go on and talk about many other players, I'm sure. And I'm also not naive enough to think this isn't the case at most clubs - but surely some of you have to look at how you 'support' the team in the future. For many of you, there's always a scapegoat. Always a criticism. Always a negative.

And yes, maybe Weale did accidently cost us a point today, and a point a few months ago, or whatever.

But surely that shouldn't matter? Aside from being the optimistic, supportive, encouraging fans football is supposed to be associated with, a very high percentage of you are completely fickle morons who will probably never be happy with the team because you're always so desperate to find someone to blame.

Just maybe, we don't have a divine right to rape the premier just yet? Sven's done a pretty good job turning this around, the players are all working hard and the club is fucking lucky to have owners like the Raksriaksorns.

Would life really be complete paradise watching football a division higher? Why can't we just be content? Happy? That whatever the result....it's just about supporting the team. And I know many people who use the line...."supporting my team - win, lose or draw" and that's predominantly bollocks. A goal down and so many people either shut up completely or vocally blame anyone/everyone. For me, it seems there's an obssession for success, and hardly ever a moment taken to take stock, have a bit of pride in the team, or any kind of united feeling with players and fans alike. It's all success success success. If a player does well, you love him. You put his picture as your avatar and in your signature. You come up with songs for him. A bad game and you hate him, want him out of your club and for someone there's usually a desire for him to 'get aids'.

The ideal for me would be a reduced desperation for elevation up the football pyramid and an increased sense of pride. "This is our local team. We support these because we're not glory hunting bastards". That's what we all think, right? But aren't we? Isn't nearly every one of our fans a 'glory hunting bastard'? Probably, yes. The difference between glory and falling short is for many the difference between loving and hating our players. It's that simple.

With three apparantly meaningless games left, why don't we all turn up to the games positive, ready to encourage the players from whistle to whistle? Rather than the typical sarcastic groans that greet every Oakley touch, or Yakubu effort not quite on target. Surely it would be good to build a better rapport with the players and send them into pre-season knowing that the fans are really behind them for next season.

I've met Chris Weale and he's a fucking lovely guy - but even when I shook his hand there was some moron there criticising him for not quite saving a shot (in a pre-season friendly!) He might be slightly error prone but he gives his fucking all to this club - and sure, he may not be a world-class keeper but right now, Leicester City is not a world-class team.

For me, the biggest pleasure in football is seeing players grow with the club, and Weale's done that. He's come on massively and once the hate has hopefully died down and people have got over the result, more people will come to see that.

And should the 'haters' effectively force him out of the XI and eventually the club, then at the least I'll be there fucking applauding Chris Weale for his contribution to this football club.

You complain about fickle like it's the same people changing their opinions all the time.

But in fact this site is a lot of people with a lot of different opinions. That's what the site is about.

Some criticism I disagree with and some I think is over the top. And some players I've never felt were good enough. Some players I thought were good once, and I don't anymore. Some started poorly with us and got better.

It's not fickle to have a forum full of differing opinions.

[Asha]

You complain about fickle like it's the same people changing their opinions all the time.

But in fact this site is a lot of people with a lot of different opinions. That's what the site is about.

Some criticism I disagree with and some I think is over the top. And some players I've never felt were good enough. Some players I thought were good once, and I don't anymore. Some started poorly with us and got better.

It's not fickle to have a forum full of differing opinions.

Sure, but why do fans even spend so much time over-analysing how good players are?

They're playing for your team, so I thought the point was to support them regardless or how good they might be?

Or, perhaps, I (and many others, of course) live in a parallel universe where we trust the manager and support the team whether we like the players or not...

[Kitchandro]

Sure, but why do fans even spend so much time over-analysing how good players are?

They're playing for your team, so I thought the point was to support them regardless or how good they might be?

Or, perhaps, I (and many others, of course) live in a parallel universe where we trust the manager and support the team whether we like the players or not...

At the game I completely agree with you, the fans should always be behind the players.

But a massive part of football is discussing it. We watch football and just because Sven has a lot of managerial experience doesn't necessarily mean he's always right. I can see if a players playing badly or not. What would we talk about if we just let the manager get on with it and showed no emotion for our Club?

Sven will do what he likes so it doesn't matter, but tonight for example we are all gutted and the majority are angry at Weale for throwing away a point like that. We're gutted and we need to let anger out somewhere.

[Asha]

1) What would we talk about if we just let the manager get on with it and showed no emotion for our Club?

2) We're gutted and we need to let anger out somewhere.

1) It's not a case of showing no emotion, you can be emotional as you like but surely it should all be positive emotion? And not an obsessive spiral of scapegoating.

and 2) You could always just have a wank.

[Kitchandro]

1) It's not a case of showing no emotion, you can be emotional as you like but surely it should all be positive emotion? And not an obsessive spiral of scapegoating.

and 2) You could always just have a wank.

Emotion's are natural though, they can't always be positive. I can't be very positive after today, sorry. I have also made it clear that although Weale has cost us today, I won't scapegoat him because we have not been good in many areas.

Like I said some people go OTT IMO, some people think I go OTT but that's just opinions.

I try not to slate individuals unless they warrant it.

[Bert]

Well... You are...

Your reply...

Are you saying that keepers should not make mistakes? I know he isn't the best of keepers and we do need a better one to progress but you cannot blame anything on one player, a goal usually results in a series of mistakes or a bit of good play from the other side. Our defense has been abysmal this season and have not worked as a team and this puts the keeper in the positions that he finds himself, no keeper can pull off fantastic saves each game and will make mistakes and let goals in, Weale is prone to making mistakes yes, but HE has defiantly NOT cost us a place in the play offs.

Tell me where I've said "Weale has cost us a place in the playoffs". I've just stated that he's cost us points, and not just once either.

Get your facts right before you start trying to act the big man.

[MC Prussian]

All of Weale's weaknesses have been overlooked by a lot of Leicester fans simply because he's not Ricardo.

However, to make our supposed No.1 goalkeeper the sole culprit for our shocking away form in particular, means naming only a half of the whole dilemma.

The defense in connection with our man between the sticks has done the team itself, the club and the fans a massive disservice, cost us valuable points in the hunt for a playoff place.

They can't defend or resort to passing balls back to Weale which always has me on the brink of my seat, thinking of Derby away last season.

Coming back to Weale, I think he needs to go. He oozes not a single bit of confidence (not just his fault, mind) and the opposition has figured out how to deal with him by beating him from distance.

He is much more a liabilty than Ricardo. By now, Weale has been found out. Numerous times.

His flappers give every professional goalkeeper a bad name and many a goalkeeping coach will shake his head in disbelief.

I'd like to see Ricardo in goal for the remaining three games, Weale make a public apology for his erratic behaviour, only to sod off and disappear into oblivion forever.

And for next season - SIGN A PROPER KEEPER!!

[iBleedLeicesterColours]

Enough is enough.

How many times has it got to cost us.

'Nuff said.

[Super_horns]

With Scott Loach rather hit and miss in goal (ok at shot stopping but cannot catch a cold..let alone cross) could we be in for a few goals on Monday?

[Jackirius]

Tell me where I've said "Weale has cost us a place in the playoffs". I've just stated that he's cost us points, and not just once either.

Get your facts right before you start trying to act the big man.

Oh the irony.

And it's pretty simple really if you are able to read...

Yes Weale isn't the best of keepers but **** me, how has he cost us the season?

He has cost us.

Pretty clear if you ask me...

[The Doctor]

With Scott Loach rather hit and miss in goal (ok at shot stopping but cannot catch a cold..let alone cross) could we be in for a few goals on Monday?

sounds like it - so expect a dour 0-0 then.

I thought scott loach was quite a good keeper though - very highly rated isn't he?

[Kitchandro]

sounds like it - so expect a dour 0-0 then.

I thought scott loach was quite a good keeper though - very highly rated isn't he?

He is. Not by me though.

[Bugg]

sounds like it - so expect a dour 0-0 then.

I thought scott loach was quite a good keeper though - very highly rated isn't he?

Just like Joe Lewis, who is utter shit.

[Bert]

Oh the irony.

And it's pretty simple really if you are able to read...

Pretty clear if you ask me...

So you've still not been able to tell me where I've said Weale has cost us a place in the playoffs. How are old you? 15? If you think weale hasn't cost us any points this season which is what I said then you're even more stupid than I originally thought.

[Kitchandro]

So you've still not been able to tell me where I've said Weale has cost us a place in the playoffs. How are old you? 15? If you think weale hasn't cost us any points this season which is what I said then you're even more stupid than I originally thought.

TBF, at first you did make it sound as if he was a muppet for claiming it wasn't all Weale's fault we weren't in the play-offs, whether you meant to or not.

[Jackirius]

So you've still not been able to tell me where I've said Weale has cost us a place in the playoffs. How are old you? 15? If you think weale hasn't cost us any points this season which is what I said then you're even more stupid than I originally thought.

Do you actually have learning difficultys or something? If so then i apologise, but i just posted it in the one which you yourself quoted.

I don't think anyone has cost us any points this season, it is a team game. You may sit in your room all day with your mother sliding food under your door, but a team is a collection of people and everyone contributes to the team, so if one individual makes a mistake it is a reflection on the whole team because that person which has made the mistake either had been put into that position by another or had no back up. And you could say that after the goal which Weale let in, why didnt we go up the other end and score a 40 yard thunderbolt? Thats Gallaghers fault for not scoring it.

You cannot blame individuals for whole matches of football, if we lose 1-0 to say Preston from a Weale howler then you can sit there and blame Weale, or you can say to yourself, why didn't we score 2 or 3 against them, or why were they allowed the room to shoot? Everyone makes mistakes in a game and being a goalkeeper you are up to more intense scrutiny if you do because you're the last line of defense. I agree that Weale isn't the best of keepers and that isn't his fault, he is being played by the manager, if we want to progress we need a new keeper who is less likely to make mistakes, but we also need a defense which can help our keeper out by reducing the amount of saves he has to make and an offence which can create and finish chances so if the defense does make a mistake then we have a cushion.

[The Doctor]

Jackirius - while it may be a team game, you surely can't deny that weale has made mistakes that are down to him (3rd today, 2nd at watford to name a couple) and have cost us points.

[Bert]

Do you actually have learning difficultys or something? If so then i apologise, but i just posted it in the one which you yourself quoted.

I don't think anyone has cost us any points this season, it is a team game. You may sit in your room all day with your mother sliding food under your door, but a team is a collection of people and everyone contributes to the team, so if one individual makes a mistake it is a reflection on the whole team because that person which has made the mistake either had been put into that position by another or had no back up. And you could say that after the goal which Weale let in, why didnt we go up the other end and score a 40 yard thunderbolt? Thats Gallaghers fault for not scoring it.

You cannot blame individuals for whole matches of football, if we lose 1-0 to say Preston from a Weale howler then you can sit there and blame Weale, or you can say to yourself, why didn't we score 2 or 3 against them, or why were they allowed the room to shoot? Everyone makes mistakes in a game and being a goalkeeper you are up to more intense scrutiny if you do because you're the last line of defense. I agree that Weale isn't the best of keepers and that isn't his fault, he is being played by the manager, if we want to progress we need a new keeper who is less likely to make mistakes, but we also need a defense which can help our keeper out by reducing the amount of saves he has to make and an offence which can create and finish chances so if the defense does make a mistake then we have a cushion.

I stopped reading this post after that.

No I don't have learning DIFFICULTIES. I've also no doubt in my mind that I'm a lot more intelligent than you.

Sweet dreams.

P.S - you've still not found that quote where I've said "Chris Weale has cost us our place in the playoffs".

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

We all know Weale is a decent keeper but not a top keeper, no where near the same class as Kenny, Camp or De Vries.

But he was decent enough for us last season, but that was due to having a really good 'defensive' defence with a leader and experience in it. Unlike now, where there is no communication and no leadership at all. Weale is partly to blame but not fully.

To be a real top team though we need a new good keeper, Westwood or Smithies, someone like that. One thing is for sure though, Weale isnt fully to blame.

[Jackirius]

Jackirius - while it may be a team game, you surely can't deny that weale has made mistakes that are down to him (3rd today, 2nd at watford to name a couple) and have cost us points.

I'm not denying that he hasn't made mistakes, but you can't solely blame that mistake on the loss of points. You have to ask yourself why was he in that position where he had to make the save(poor defending?), and why didn't we already have a couple of goal cushion so we wouldn't have lost points(poor finishing?)? Ultimately the mistake has cost us points but you cannot put sole blame of the loss of points on him.

If we had defended shite all game and he made 5 world class saves which would have with an average championship keeper gone in, and then one in the 90th minute gone straight through his legs and we lose 1-0, would you blame him for the loss?

[Bert]

I'm not denying that he hasn't made mistakes, but you can't solely blame that mistake on the loss of points. You have to ask yourself why was he in that position where he had to make the save(poor defending?), and why didn't we already have a couple of goal cushion so we wouldn't have lost points(poor finishing?)? Ultimately the mistake has cost us points but you cannot put sole blame of the loss of points on him.