cc_star Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Without Weale's errors this season, as you say: Palace at home:WIN (2 points gained) Bristol City away: DRAW (1 point gained) Watford away: DRAW (1 point gained) Palace away: DRAW (1 points gained) Forest away: WIN (3 points gained) In total, just off the top of your head and I'm sure we'd find more if we looked, that's eight points Weale's mistakes have cost us. Without these mistakes alone, we would be 6th and two points ahead of Leeds. That's how costly he has been. What a stupid ****wit thing to say How many points has the fecking awful defensive side of our game cost us? I'd say every single point other than those you've listed. The manager & coaching staff should hand their heads in shame that after 7 months we still play like a bunch of strangers every-time the opposition has the ball. It is them who have cost us far, far, far, far more than those you've mis-guidedly listed
Lambert09 Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Because there's a keeper in this division that hasn't lost their team points at some stage? Some people on here are completer morons
Kitchandro Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 There's no doubt Weale cost us today, and has cost us goals, but to blame him for our disappointing season and not getting in the play-offs is fvcking pathetic
Fox92 Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 I have never rated him, in fact I got slated by many users on here last season because I explained why I didn't rate him. Now what does everyone think? I know its not just him, but Weale has cost us so many times. Middlesbrough's first goal went underneath his body, he parried McGugan's shot today, he was nowhere near a soft long range loal by Jara last season etc He is a number two, and always has been, hence his career stats and how many games he has played - not many. He doesn't talk, he flaps, he looks dodgy from long range efforts etc Weale should have saved all three today - Tudgays: His positioning looked wrong - Earnshaw: He parried the ball back out to Earnshaw - McKenna's: Under his body
Jackirius Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Palace at home.. Today. Bristol city away. Watford away. Palace away. That's just off the top of my head. He has cost us, you're the one that needs to get a grip. Are you serious, so you are blaming us not getting into the play offs on Weale and you are the one saying that i need to get a grip, lol.
Bert Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 No-one's blaming Weale. Just pointing out his errors, what he has cost, and that he's not as good as everyone thinks.
Jackirius Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Sheff utd away pen save M'boro away & amazing save on the line He made a great save to deny Burnley at 0-0 which could have meant a very different result than the 4-0 it ended up being again just off the top of my head Directly attributing mistakes is fine, but he's done a lot right as well which its easy to forget after today's howler. We all know we need a new keeper to push on to the next level, but whilst the management & coaching staff turn out a defence like that since October despite signing as many players as they could have... there's only one man ultimately to blame & that's the man earning the big bucks with overall responsibility for the team & its results. Well said.
Bert Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Are you serious, so you are blaming us not getting into the play offs on Weale and you are the one saying that i need to get a grip, lol. Do you go to games? If you do, you'll see that Weale's mistakes in each of those games had cost us points. Which was my point, maybe you're not intelligent enough to realise.
Fox92 Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Sheff utd away pen save M'boro away & amazing save on the line He made a great save to deny Burnley at 0-0 which could have meant a very different result than the 4-0 it ended up being again just off the top of my head Directly attributing mistakes is fine, but he's done a lot right as well which its easy to forget after today's howler. We all know we need a new keeper to push on to the next level, but whilst the management & coaching staff turn out a defence like that since October despite signing as many players as they could have... there's only one man ultimately to blame & that's the man earning the big bucks with overall responsibility for the team & its results. The first two Middlesbrough goals were his fault, ecspecially the first which went under his body. The penalty was poor anyway.
Jackirius Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 No-one's blaming Weale. Well... You are... Yes Weale isn't the best of keepers but **** me, how has he cost us the season? Your reply... Palace at home.. Today. Bristol city away. Watford away. Palace away. That's just off the top of my head. He has cost us, Are you saying that keepers should not make mistakes? I know he isn't the best of keepers and we do need a better one to progress but you cannot blame anything on one player, a goal usually results in a series of mistakes or a bit of good play from the other side. Our defense has been abysmal this season and have not worked as a team and this puts the keeper in the positions that he finds himself, no keeper can pull off fantastic saves each game and will make mistakes and let goals in, Weale is prone to making mistakes yes, but HE has defiantly NOT cost us a place in the play offs.
Bugg Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 He's a fucking liability. If it was Ricardo making the mistakes he does, he'd be getting death threats.
ScouseFox Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 He's shit. Most of us were in denial, now most of us can see he really is shit. Thank fvck for that. New keeper please Sven
acooling08 Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Listen.. Weale is a liability. Ricardo is SHIT. We need a new keeper. End of discussion.
Fox92 Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 He's a ****ing liability. If it was Ricardo making the mistakes he does, he'd be getting death threats. I totally agree.
Jackirius Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Do you go to games? If you do, you'll see that Weale's mistakes in each of those games had cost us points. Which was my point, maybe you're not intelligent enough to realise. Well from what I've seen on your construction of sentences you have no ammunition to insult anyones intelligence. So you're saying that every time that a Striker misses an open goal, or a defender makes a mistake to let someone in then that is not their fault? And at the end of the day is the goal keeper makes one mistake by letting in a goal because of a series of defensive calamitys then that is his fault and he should take 100% of the blame from it?
yag101 Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 To all the Ricardo haters, what has he actually done wrong? You say you shit yourself every time he comes for a cross, or anything, but when has this really hindered our chances this season? When has he been directly responsible for anything? His distribution, positioning, and overall shot stopping are better, and always looks so much more comfortable with the ball than Weale, could've been so much more useful had he had any kind of backing from the fans. And you really can't blame Vitor for the first goal, was a quality cross from McGugan, and a neat finish too.
CupidStunt Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Yes Weale isn't the best of keepers but **** me, how has he cost us the season? Get a grip. It's a team game not one player. Think you need to count how many times he has cost us points and add them up sunshine Get a grip?.....if only Weale could do just that..he is s h i t and thats the end of it Back bone of any decent Team starts with a decent keeper, one we have not had since Fulop was in goal I dont blame him entirely for the loss today, Forest were there for the taking, but we didn't seem to want it enough It was all over a few games ago, when Weale let the grass cutter in against Palace The strikers are as much to blame, the Yak missed 2 sitters recently, shocking for a striker of his class
Guest Bilo Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 What a stupid ****wit thing to say How many points has the fecking awful defensive side of our game cost us? I'd say every single point other than those you've listed. The manager & coaching staff should hand their heads in shame that after 7 months we still play like a bunch of strangers every-time the opposition has the ball. It is them who have cost us far, far, far, far more than those you've mis-guidedly listed Can you read? What I've said is that WEALE'S MISTAKES ALONE have cost us eight points. They ALONE haven't caused us to miss out on the play-offs but have been a factor in causing us to miss out on them. We've dropped plenty of other points through defensive fragility, but to say that every other point we've dropped can be blamed on the defence isn't correct. The two games against Middlesbrough being a prime example, wastefulness in front of goal cost us two points at home and appalling officiating was a big factor in our dropping points in the return fixture. Though all this is academic, because it's pretty clear that I didn't lay all the blame for our play-off failure at the feet of Weale, just that his mistakes were a FACTOR in it. Of course there are other reasons, defensive fragility among them, but Weale has cost us one hell of a lot of points and not even the most ardent Sven hater/Weale lover can honestly deny it.
buzzy Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 we need 2 goalkeepers to replace the ones we have [but not david james ] please
Asha Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 I think the bottom line is that Leicester fans are typically as fickle as they come. There are so many occasions where a player has been really scapegoated to the extent that there's almost hate there, and I'm not just on about the goalkeepers. Reading at home, Dyer was getting all kinds of stick by fans low down in the East Stand, who by the way, took great enjoyment in celebrating his goal five minutes later. Gallagher's been absolutely ribbed every time he hasn't won a header against a 6ft4 defender or planted every corner onto a Leicester head. There's been Oakley too, absolutely crucified by some of you, but I bet such people celebrated when he smashed that in today, right? Van Aanholt was slated just days into his Leicester career. A lot of people on here had written off Mee after just one game - but one tackle against Taarabt later and he's your favourite player! Abe's been shredded for not dominating games. King's been the "best player in the division, never sell him" goal machine one second, a few games without netting and it's all "shit, overrated, sell him." I could go on and talk about many other players, I'm sure. And I'm also not naive enough to think this isn't the case at most clubs - but surely some of you have to look at how you 'support' the team in the future. For many of you, there's always a scapegoat. Always a criticism. Always a negative. And yes, maybe Weale did accidently cost us a point today, and a point a few months ago, or whatever. But surely that shouldn't matter? Aside from being the optimistic, supportive, encouraging fans football is supposed to be associated with, a very high percentage of you are completely fickle morons who will probably never be happy with the team because you're always so desperate to find someone to blame. Just maybe, we don't have a divine right to rape the premier just yet? Sven's done a pretty good job turning this around, the players are all working hard and the club is fucking lucky to have owners like the Raksriaksorns. Would life really be complete paradise watching football a division higher? Why can't we just be content? Happy? That whatever the result....it's just about supporting the team. And I know many people who use the line...."supporting my team - win, lose or draw" and that's predominantly bollocks. A goal down and so many people either shut up completely or vocally blame anyone/everyone. For me, it seems there's an obssession for success, and hardly ever a moment taken to take stock, have a bit of pride in the team, or any kind of united feeling with players and fans alike. It's all success success success. If a player does well, you love him. You put his picture as your avatar and in your signature. You come up with songs for him. A bad game and you hate him, want him out of your club and for someone there's usually a desire for him to 'get aids'. The ideal for me would be a reduced desperation for elevation up the football pyramid and an increased sense of pride. "This is our local team. We support these because we're not glory hunting bastards". That's what we all think, right? But aren't we? Isn't nearly every one of our fans a 'glory hunting bastard'? Probably, yes. The difference between glory and falling short is for many the difference between loving and hating our players. It's that simple. With three apparantly meaningless games left, why don't we all turn up to the games positive, ready to encourage the players from whistle to whistle? Rather than the typical sarcastic groans that greet every Oakley touch, or Yakubu effort not quite on target. Surely it would be good to build a better rapport with the players and send them into pre-season knowing that the fans are really behind them for next season. I've met Chris Weale and he's a fucking lovely guy - but even when I shook his hand there was some moron there criticising him for not quite saving a shot (in a pre-season friendly!) He might be slightly error prone but he gives his fucking all to this club - and sure, he may not be a world-class keeper but right now, Leicester City is not a world-class team. For me, the biggest pleasure in football is seeing players grow with the club, and Weale's done that. He's come on massively and once the hate has hopefully died down and people have got over the result, more people will come to see that. And should the 'haters' effectively force him out of the XI and eventually the club, then at the least I'll be there fucking applauding Chris Weale for his contribution to this football club.
Jackirius Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 What about the linesmen/women and the referees which ruled out Andy Kings goals at the start of the season which cost us vital points? What about the poor performances from Yakubu in front of goal which would have picked us up points? What about the poor defensive displays from Bruma, Van Aanholt and other defenders which opened up pathways for strikers to score? I'm not saying Weale is a great keeper and i am defiantly not saying that we should stick with him if we want to progress to challenge for an automatic spot next season, but you cannot fault the effort and passion he puts in, he is a quiet and conservative bloke but works hard for the team and you cannot blame one player for us not getting into the play offs. It is a team game and a team effort, everyone has a say, everyone has made mistakes, everyone has had moments of brilliance, I would like to remind you that Weale has saved us points on many occasions, so there is no need to lay into the guy, he puts his all in for the club and really did look distraught after tonights game.
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