lcfc_jme Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Harsh words there, annoys me that everyone seems to look for a scapegoat! I've seen Weale make some fantastic saves but I guess people don't remember them. Really does seem that people only remember goalkeepers errors rather than their good points. I don't blame weale and it is unfair to suggest it was all his fault, our team shouldn't play to the whistle i.e. Looking for an offside and our defence shouldn't have allowed a shot like the third goal. We need to stop getting on their back and show some encouragement! Are you a genuine lunatic? Weale was good under Pearson because Pearson played with a minimum of 6 defenders per game. He makes too many mistakes and always seems likely to drop a clanger when in goal - he's conceded 9 in his last 3 away games, at least 3 of them were his fault and the goal he conceded at home to Palace was also his fault. How is it unfair to suggest a simple goalkeeping error was Weale's fault? It isn't. How is it also unfair to blame Weale for pushing the ball right out to Earnshaw when he's meant to push it wide of his goal? It isn't. It's not looking for scapegoats, it's laying the blame where the blame is deserved. Literally if Ricardo had been in goal for Forest's 2nd and 3rd today we'd probably be at war with Portugal by now. Weale won't escape the criticism from me just because he looked good behind plenty of defenders and he's English. No chance.
Rusko187 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Are you a genuine lunatic? Weale was good under Pearson because Pearson played with a minimum of 6 defenders per game. He makes too many mistakes and always seems likely to drop a clanger when in goal - he's conceded 9 in his last 3 away games, at least 3 of them were his fault and the goal he conceded at home to Palace was also his fault. How is it unfair to suggest a simple goalkeeping error was Weale's fault? It isn't. How is it also unfair to blame Weale for pushing the ball right out to Earnshaw when he's meant to push it wide of his goal? It isn't. It's not looking for scapegoats, it's laying the blame where the blame is deserved. Literally if Ricardo had been in goal for Forest's 2nd and 3rd today we'd probably be at war with Portugal by now. Weale won't escape the criticism from me just because he looked good behind plenty of defenders and he's English. No chance. Ok fair enough, but what's the point in getting on his case!! Mistakes happen.. It's part and parcel of football, let's get off there nuts, he knows he's done wrong and apologised!
Jimmy Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Ok fair enough, but what's the point in getting on his case!! Mistakes happen.. It's part and parcel of football, let's get off there nuts, he knows he's done wrong and apologised! we where was he when his TEAM MATE was being abused by our fans for a lot less than he has done himself, where was his "support whoever is in goal" statement then? He only came out with that after he'd ****ed up twice at boro at the previous home game he was encouraging the fans to keep shouting his name, yet people were saying how classy he was to say "support who ever is in goal" AFTER he'd been recalled. play 1 of the kids in goal for the last 3 and have the other on the bench, Chris Weale should of played his last game for LCFC yesterday as its obvious Sven will replace him in the summer, the last 3 games are effectively dead rubbers for us, its just a shame Moussa and Schlupp our out on loan as I'd give them all 3 as well. I'd only have 4 loanees involved now, Naughton, Mee, Vitro and Kamara. Naughton has earned the right to see out the season, I think we'll sign Mee, Vitor likewise to Naughton and Kamara could sign on a free come July so lets see him alongside Vassell & Gally
Asha Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Right... Last season under Nigel Pearson, we can all agree that Chris Weale, was probably one of our best players. There were campaigns floating round calling for Capello to give him a call up as England Keeper, and all sorts. You don't go from being one of the best keepers in the Championship, to as described in this topic as 'a ****ing liability, or shit.' Whats different? Well for a start, the most obvious point, the manager. Nigel Pearson's mentality was 'Defence is the first form of attack' and NP kept literally the same settled back four all season long, of Morrison - Hobbs - Brown - Berner. We leaked about 40 goals then, think it was the second best defence behind Swansea. Weale played over 50 games that season. Sven has changed the defence so much this season. I'm not blaming Sven, but surely, As a goalkeeper, not knowing who is going to be playing infront of you each week isn't a good thing. Yes competitions healthy, but pissing about with the defence isn't. We also know Weale isn't the best communicator, and doesn't command his box much. But you always felt last season, that the goal was safe, and each of the back four, knew how to play together. Another factor could be language barriers even? The back four last season were predominately English, therefore making it easier to communicate for defender and goalkeeper. I always remember last season, Wayne Brown and Weale, there was a miscommunication between them, and when Weale got the ball, Brown was bellowing at him, but a couple of minutes later, they shook hands. To say he's cost us the playoffs is ****ing pathetic, and some of you need to get a grip. Yes, his errors today have probably cost us 3 points, but to say he's cost us the playoffs is awful. It angers me, how the 'better' 'well known posters' can be so hypocritical when they call people fickle and moan at people for booing certain players. Yes Weale has made errors, So have many players who have wore that blue shirt this season, the players that are regarded by people as 'our best players.' Football is a team game. Every nown again people make mistakes, Yes you could say Weale has made a fair few, but, I think certain posters, Bert et al, should just get a reality check. We've not made the playoffs cause we're not good enough. Because the TEAM is not good enough. Anyway, Onwards and Upwards. Bring on next season. How was I only the first person to rep this. Brilliant post man.
Haydos Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Harsh words there, annoys me that everyone seems to look for a scapegoat! I've seen Weale make some fantastic saves but I guess people don't remember them. Really does seem that people only remember goalkeepers errors rather than their good points. I don't blame weale and it is unfair to suggest it was all his fault, our team shouldn't play to the whistle i.e. Looking for an offside and our defence shouldn't have allowed a shot like the third goal. We need to stop getting on their back and show some encouragement! Haha, come on, know when a battle is lost. It's the last straw it really is. A keeper for a promotion chasing team should not balance out his good performances with errors that directly cost us points. I've said it many times this year and i'll say it again, he is a liability.
Karljohn Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 For what its worth our proud goalkeeping tradition is in tatters, Banks, Shilton, Flowers, Wallington etc, I can't recall ever having 3 keepers who produced so much comedy over a season, get rid of them all, the best of the bunch is Weale but its clean sweep time.
Fox96 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Unless we get a new keeper, we will not make it next year either . Weale is a clear liability, prone to mistake. Also his positioning always seems a bit dodgy. Need a reliable number 1!
darko2k7 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 They, and they alone have cost us the season. That includes you Ian Stringer, and Alan Young if you're reading. Neither are the answer though, but if we had a decent keeper I honestly believe we'd have been top 2. Yea because the best keepers in the world never make mistakes do they How you can put the entire failed season down to not having a decent keeper show just baffles me . There are so many things that have cost us this season not just the lack of a decent keeper. I find it incredible that people can still blame Sven for players individual errors or performances. Weale alone has cost us at least 9 points with his incompetence and inability to make the most simple saves. How is that Svens fault? And wot about points he as saved us? ppl always seem the forget them and they seem to forget it's a team game not just one persons fault . can't understand why ricardo got so much stick. hope all you twats who shouted WEEEEEEAAAALE when he was playing are happy now. How many goals down to Weale now, and how mant genuinley were down to ricardo. Weale is a joke and has cost us a possible place in the playoffs. As others have said get off your high horse of course no City fan is happy . Yea shouting for Weale is wrong but at the end of the day they were only shouting wot ALL of us were thinking, but if you are going to sit there like you thinking different at time and that you was not slagging Ricardo off you are a billy BS . Wot would you have done different to Sven? Yea Weale is not perfect and we need a new keeper , i am as pissed of with the mistake as anyone . But for you to sit there blaming the fans or weale for costing us a play-off place then you are a real piece of work it's a TEAM game everyone is to blame including YOU
Fox96 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 As others have said get off your high horse of course no City fan is happy . Yea shouting for Weale is wrong but at the end of the day they were only shouting wot ALL of us were thinking, but if you are going to sit there like you thinking different at time and that you was not slagging Ricardo off you are a billy BS . Wot would you have done different to Sven? Yea Weale is not perfect and we need a new keeper , i am as pissed of with the mistake as anyone . But for you to sit there blaming the fans or weale for costing us a play-off place then you are a real piece of work it's a TEAM game everyone is to blame including YOU There was a lot of us. I Didn't slag Ricardo off and i'm not a billy bs, infact I preferred him. Ricardo dosen't concede stupid, easy goals every game
The Doctor Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Yea because the best keepers in the world never make mistakes do they How you can put the entire failed season down to not having a decent keeper just baffles me . There are so many things that have cost us this season not just the lack of a decent keeper. And wot about points he as saved us? people always seem to forget them and they seem to forget it's a team game not just one persons fault . As others have said get off your high horse of course no City fan is happy . Yes shouting for Weale is wrong but at the end of the day they were only shouting what ALL of us were thinking, but if you are going to sit there like you thinking different at time and that you was not slagging Ricardo off you are a billy BS . What would you have done different to Sven? Yes Weale is not perfect and we need a new keeper , I am as pissed off with the mistake as anyone, but if you are going to sit there blaming the fans or weale for costing us a play-off place then you are a real piece of work, it's a TEAM game everyone is to blame including YOU 1) - while even the best make mistakes (e.g. pepe reina against arsenal this season), weale has made too many mistakes of late. 2) He's probably cost us more points than he's gained, and while it is a team game and all the team have to shoulder some of the responsibility for poor performances this season, you can't deny that weale has been a ****ing liability. 3) Thanks for generalising - The boo boys were not shouting what all of us were thinking - i've backed ricardo many a time, i thought he was a fairly decent keeper for us and i think comparing his performances and the performances of weale since he was recalled, i have a decent arguement as to being right about ricardo. also: people not ppl What doesn't contain an o. the off you tried to use with regards to your feelings is off not of. "you to sit there blaming the fans or weale for costing us a play-off place then you are a real piece of work" doesn't make sense, it would need to be either "if you are going to sit there blaming the fans or weale for costing us a play-off place then you are a real piece of work" or "you to sit there blaming the fans or weale for costing us a play-off place would make you a real piece of work".
darko2k7 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 There was a lot of us. I Didn't slag Ricardo off and i'm not a billy bs, infact I preferred him. Ricardo dosen't concede stupid, easy goals every game Neither does weale EVERY game if thats wot you were suggesting . Look i may be coming a cross as a weale bum boy here but i really am not , It's just i can not stand scapegoating this player or that player . All this forum seems to but full of in recent weeks is Threads blaming this person or that person it really ticks me off Like i said before it's a TEAM game and the FACT is the entire team as not been good enough this year sadly , but i do believe the most of them have given there all this year despite the off the field mess that as been going on . This is the real reason this season as failed not just Chris Weale bless him, too many changes going on hopefully the summer will be the last of that and next year we can have a settled side fore a full season If i could of affored to come down the to the next game i for one would be giving the team i full hearted standing ovation for getting through such a tough seaon and getting us so close
darko2k7 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 1) - while even the best make mistakes (e.g. pepe reina against arsenal this season), weale has made too many mistakes of late. 2) He's probably cost us more points than he's gained, and while it is a team game and all the team have to shoulder some of the responsibility for poor performances this season, you can't deny that weale has been a ****ing liability. 3) Thanks for generalising - The boo boys were not shouting what all of us were thinking - i've backed ricardo many a time, i thought he was a fairly decent keeper for us and i think comparing his performances and the performances of weale since he was recalled, i have a decent arguement as to being right about ricardo. also: people not ppl What doesn't contain an o. the off you tried to use with regards to your feelings is off not of. "you to sit there blaming the fans or weale for costing us a play-off place then you are a real piece of work" doesn't make sense, it would need to be either "if you are going to sit there blaming the fans or weale for costing us a play-off place then you are a real piece of work" or "you to sit there blaming the fans or weale for costing us a play-off place would make you a real piece of work". OK Mr typing expert "Im sorry" O
Kenners Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Just saw it on football focus. Forgot how slow it actually was, oh dear oh dear.
ithuriel Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Meh, you are all missing the point. Weale was first choice keeper with Logan as back up but all the supposed replacements have been equally poor. Kirkland, the guy from Wolves and rocking Riccy Ricardo,(Gremlins ,) have not been up to snuff either. Riccy when he was in was equally prone to giving away soft goals. Fact is, we have been signing so called quality for the outfield but relying on bog standard keepers in goal.
Haydos Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Meh, you are all missing the point. Weale was first choice keeper with Logan as back up but all the supposed replacements have been equally poor. Kirkland, the guy from Wolves and rocking Riccy Ricardo,(Gremlins ,) have not been up to snuff either. Riccy when he was in was equally prone to giving away soft goals. Fact is, we have been signing so called quality for the outfield but relying on bog standard keepers in goal. Ever wondered if that's all that was available? Think you're missing the point.
Jimmy Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Meh, you are all missing the point. Weale was first choice keeper with Logan as back up but all the supposed replacements have been equally poor. Kirkland, the guy from Wolves and rocking Riccy Ricardo,(Gremlins ,) have not been up to snuff either. Riccy when he was in was equally prone to giving away soft goals. Fact is, we have been signing so called quality for the outfield but relying on bog standard keepers in goal. that just isn't true
ithuriel Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Ever wondered if that's all that was available? Think you're missing the point. and you , as per usual, missed the point completely. you are on here after seeing that they have all been poor slating the last one in when they are all not good enough.
ithuriel Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 that just isn't true Yes, it was true, the fact that an opposition player was quoted in the local paper saying they knew his weakness for anything lofted into the box and letting in soft goals say's a lot. I was behind the goal when he and brumma between them dropped their combined clanger against cov just for instance of soft goals conceded.
Ozwin Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 I know you can't forgive a mistake like yesterday's but I don't think having a new defence in front of him every game is helping. Last year we had pretty much the same defence all season and he looked far more comfortable.
Haydos Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 and you , as per usual, missed the piont completely. you are on here after seeing that they have all been poor slating the last one in when they are all not good enough. I'm not sure I understand You're complaining that our keepers aren't good enough yet I believe that the best possible was brought in: Ricardo. He brought Kirkland in, it could have worked out, Undoubtedly a class keeper but had his injury problems and it didn't work. I backed the best option we had available: Ricardo. Weale maybe shouldn't have been dropped in the first place and that's a porr decision (IMO) that Sven took. But since that moment I have been in favour of Ricardo who is much less of a liability. I think Ricardo is good enough to be a back up next season but I'd like to see the back of Weale and a new number 1 come in. Psychologically he is shot and I don't think his future lies here.
Haydos Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Yes, it was true, the fact that an opposition player was quoted in the local paper saying they knew his weakness for anything lofted into the box and letting in soft goals say's a lot. I was behind the goal when he and brumma between them dropped their combined clanger against cov just for instance of soft goals conceded. The ball that was hammered from 10 yards out?
Guest parky0607 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 whether we have a shit keeper or not, for any player to take a shot on goal, he must have to get through 10 other players on the pitch to take that shot, our biggest problem for the past set of games is being able to put in a decent tackle. Our players are just marking and running with the other teams players, which is all well and good but not actually challenging.
Charl91 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 I think Ricardo should have been given more games. He used to be quality, and while it's possible he might be past it, if he manages to come even close to his previous form, then he'd be a good asset. I don't think he was given a fair amount of time to adapt to the championship.
Sk4 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 How many more games is going to give away i've lost count now the quicker he goes the better ,I would sooner have Ricardo in goal
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