shailen Posted 1 June 2011 Posted 1 June 2011 Just wondering what you guys think have been the reason behind conceding so many goals this season. I blame the midfield for them to a certain extent, because with the full backs pushing forward sven pushed the midfield up as well so that usually only our CBs were left to defend. As well as that our midfield.at times have given the ball away too easily allowing the easy counter attack. Although some may blame our CBs we have had so many combinations abd apart from vitor and mee, we have not seemed comfortable. I dont understand questioning the quality of these players either. Bamba, hobbs, bruma, vitor, mee are all good players. I think we need to sign a DM desperately, who is physical and sits in front if defence like a hargreaves.
The Doctor Posted 1 June 2011 Posted 1 June 2011 How about a succession of shit goalkeepers? Starting with Weale, then Ikeme, Logan, Kirkland, Ricardo then Weale again we've only had one keeper who's looked even half capable of stopping a shot this season.
shailen Posted 1 June 2011 Author Posted 1 June 2011 How about a succession of shit goalkeepers? Starting with Weale, then Ikeme, Logan, Kirkland, Ricardo then Weale again we've only had one keeper who's looked even half capable of stopping a shot this season. Yeah we have had some awful keepers this season. But i think our failure this year was in our inability to defend as a team. We used to have a real problem scoring goals, ironically since heskey left, but last season we scored them in abundance, but at the expense of well crap defending! But we do need a new keeper as well.
ajthefox Posted 1 June 2011 Posted 1 June 2011 The biggest problem is the lack of consistency both with goalkeeper and with the defensive personnel. 13 CB pairings. You can't expect to get promoted if you've fvcked around that much.
shailen Posted 1 June 2011 Author Posted 1 June 2011 The biggest problem is the lack of consistency both with goalkeeper and with the defensive personnel. 13 CB pairings. You can't expect to get promoted if you've fvcked around that much. I know what your saying, but surely inconsistency in selection of defenders of the level we had,bamba hobbs vitor mee bruma, cant mean we let in as many soft goals as we did last season. Goalkeeper choice was strange, but although ricardo was dodgy i cant remember him being.direcrly responsible for conceding a goal.
I am Rod Hull Posted 1 June 2011 Posted 1 June 2011 The midfield was the main reason we lost so many points... All sugar - no substance... And Svens ability to not have a settled back 4 was great management...
Larry_LCFC Posted 1 June 2011 Posted 1 June 2011 How about a succession of shit goalkeepers? Starting with Weale, then Ikeme, Logan, Kirkland, Ricardo then Weale again we've only had one keeper who's looked even half capable of stopping a shot this season. erm which one would that be?
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 1 June 2011 Posted 1 June 2011 To be honest you can't really blame the keepers all the time. not there fault the defence has been poor this season and makes mistakes.
Bugg Posted 1 June 2011 Posted 1 June 2011 To be honest you can't really blame the keepers all the time. not there fault the defence has been poor this season and makes mistakes. It's certainly their fault when they do something like this though:
shailen Posted 1 June 2011 Author Posted 1 June 2011 Haha yeah but on a serious level do you just think its impossible to keep clean sheets and score goals for fun. Surely the likes of qpr, swansea..etc did it. So what are we missing?
ajthefox Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 It's certainly their fault when they do something like this though: ugh, that makes me sick watching that.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 We're missing a big bloke in the middle. A wayne brown if you ask me
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 Yeah we have had some awful keepers this season. But i think our failure this year was in our inability to defend as a team. We used to have a real problem scoring goals, ironically since heskey left, but last season we scored them in abundance, but at the expense of well crap defending! But we do need a new keeper as well. This is right... Neither the defence nor midfield can be singly blamed for the goals conceded ( apart from goalkeeping blunders of course). Instead we failed to defend as a team.. Ie the defensive unit was disorganised. You could say that this actually starts with the front men not getting back if and when they should... As a defensive unit we need work in progress
Greg2607 Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 The reason we missed out on the play-offs is because we were woefully underprepared come the opening day of the season. We had a manager in place who was more focused on the ball skills of the players as opposed to fitness and this cost us dearly in the first 9-10 games of the season. The performances since that point, when Sousa had gone would suggest that we could have reached the play-offs had we not been so far behind our rivals. YES we had too many central defence partnerships, YES our midfield lacked steel at times and our front line wasn't exactly firing on all cylinders (outside of Yakubu). but every team in the division has peaks and troughs throughout a 46 game season. Hopefully this year, with sound investment, a solid pre-season and a decent start, we can be challenging for the play off places without it being "do or die" in every game.
Guest MattP Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 The biggest problem is the lack of consistency both with goalkeeper and with the defensive personnel. 13 CB pairings. You can't expect to get promoted if you've fvcked around that much. This. Though it should also be mentioned when you need to do that it's quite clear your personnel in those positions isnt good enough. Never really got over the loss of Brown either, wasnt a good footballer, but the amount of goals we conceded from crosses this year was terrible. (as was long range) The reason we missed out on the play-offs is because we were woefully underprepared come the opening day of the season. We had a manager in place who was more focused on the ball skills of the players as opposed to fitness and this cost us dearly in the first 9-10 games of the season. The performances since that point, when Sousa had gone would suggest that we could have reached the play-offs had we not been so far behind our rivals. Didnt we start with Sven 8 points off the play offs and end pretty much in the same position??
Fox92 Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 All the team cost us the play offs, not just a particular individual or selection.
chrisfox Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 The first 10 games of the season cost us the playoffs, in my opinion, not what went on afterwards. People reallty do seem to have forgotten where we were when Sven took over. I think it was a miracle we were even talking about playoffs for so long into the season, and am just pleased we weren't battling for relegation towards the end.
Guest MattP Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 The first 10 games of the season cost us the playoffs, in my opinion, not what went on afterwards. People reallty do seem to have forgotten where we were when Sven took over. I think it was a miracle we were even talking about playoffs for so long into the season, and am just pleased we weren't battling for relegation towards the end. As much as Sousa fcuked it up we wouldnt of gone down, the squad was still far too good for that. He had a very hard start as well, people forget the 8 games Sousa was in charge in the return 8 Sven only took one more point.
shailen Posted 2 June 2011 Author Posted 2 June 2011 The first 10 games of the season cost us the playoffs, in my opinion, not what went on afterwards. People reallty do seem to have forgotten where we were when Sven took over. I think it was a miracle we were even talking about playoffs for so long into the season, and am just pleased we weren't battling for relegation towards the end. i agree with that, am not saying sven has done badly, but at one point we were flying so close to the play offs and then it went bad all of a sudden. Maybe we were not good enough! Its just seems like after the 9 game unbeaten run we had, we have underachieved by finishing where we hqve!
Father Ted Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 Definitely the defence. Apart from Naughton, we lacked consistency throughout. Our midfield was better but still not great. I thought that whether it be Wellens, Abe or Oakley they all performed well. Gallagher was a stand out performer. Vassell - too much of a headless chicken. King - too inconsistent. But our defence was definitely our downfall.
Greg2607 Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 This. Though it should also be mentioned when you need to do that it's quite clear your personnel in those positions isnt good enough. Never really got over the loss of Brown either, wasnt a good footballer, but the amount of goals we conceded from crosses this year was terrible. (as was long range) Didnt we start with Sven 8 points off the play offs and end pretty much in the same position?? By default then, doesnt it mean more points at the start would have resulted in the play offs?
Guest MattP Posted 2 June 2011 Posted 2 June 2011 By default then, doesnt it mean more points at the start would have resulted in the play offs? Well if you look at it that way we took one more point with Sven than Sousa off the same games, so we probably finish with one more point. The start is irrelevent now to me, we recovered from that and got ourselves into a postion where we should of got there, werent Reading ten behind us at xmas? We only have ourselves to blame for not getting there, no one else.
shailen Posted 2 June 2011 Author Posted 2 June 2011 Well if you look at it that way we took one more point with Sven than Sousa off the same games, so we probably finish with one more point. The start is irrelevent now to me, we recovered from that and got ourselves into a postion where we should of got there, werent Reading ten behind us at xmas? We only have ourselves to blame for not getting there, no one else. Exactly! We got into a position where we were two points off and fell away when we needed to stand tall. Its not about the start under sousa, we came back strong but since cardiff away we have been poor! I am not blaming sven but he did so well to get us back in contention, and just couldnt see us through.
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