Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 I'm more than aware of the rules thank you. Are you aware of law 42 which states that the game should be played within the spirit and tradition of the game? Do you believe that upholding that appeal would be in the spirit of the game? If you do i'm glad I don't play sport with you. Put the shoe on the other foot and it's Tendulkar on 99* and we did that. Would still maintain the stance? As I said playing in the spirit and tradition is also incorporated in to the laws of cricket, so in that respect I believe the correct decision has been made. Can you honestly say that if it was given out, Bell only would have had himself to blame for making a schoolboy error? Obviously I would be angry, but fans would be more bias towards their preferred team (I favour India, but don't mind England for obvious reasons), but at the end of the day, the laws are the laws and Bell made a stupid mistake, and India were clever- and well within their rights to uphold the decision. Another football analogy... If the goalkeeper put the ball down for a goal kick thinking the ball went off and it didn't- WITH NO SIGNAL from the referee, and an attacker tapped the ball into an empty net, would you say it's unsportsmanlike, or just clever and good awareness from the attacker?
I am Rod Hull Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 But did he give the four hand-signal, no? And did the umpires- who matter- give the signal? I'm sorry, but this was Bell's mistake, and Dhoni has given into the pressure and let him off?! I'm sorry, but this was Bell's mistake, and Dhoni has given into the pressure and let him off?! I agree.. The decision should have been upheld..
Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 It was still a sporting thing to do. They would be well within their rights to uphold the appeal, but they didn't, and should be congratulated for that. Agreed, but I can't help but think that India have stabbed themselves in the back on this one. Were clever in my opinion, and took advantage of Bell's lapse in concentration- HIS MISTAKE and his mistake only- but they've let him off.
Podge Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Glad to see that from Dhoni, he is one of the gentleman of the game and showed that today, is one of the reason's he is one of my favourite figures in sport. That is the spirit of the game. The football argument means nothing since the games are totally different with their attitudes and values. My favourite part of it all though was the wrestling/pantomine style entrance post tea with booing the villains and then the hero comes running out to massive cheers.
RowlattsFox Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Can you honestly say that if it was given out, Bell only would have had himself to blame for making a schoolboy error? Obviously I would be angry, but fans would be more bias towards their preferred team (I favour India, but don't mind England for obvious reasons), but at the end of the day, the laws are the laws and Bell made a stupid mistake, and India were clever- and well within their rights to uphold the decision. Another football analogy... If the goalkeeper put the ball down for a goal kick thinking the ball went off and it didn't- WITH NO SIGNAL from the referee, and an attacker tapped the ball into an empty net, would you say it's unsportsmanlike, or just clever and good awareness from the attacker? Didn't something similar happen at Old Trafford with Tottenham either last season or season before. Goal was given but it was rondly criticised,
Super_horns Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Agreed, but I can't help but think that India have stabbed themselves in the back on this one. Were clever in my opinion, and took advantage of Bell's lapse in concentration- HIS MISTAKE and his mistake only- but they've let him off. Be interested to see what they think after the match if Bell turns in a match winning innings..might not be so sporting then.
Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Didn't something similar happen at Old Trafford with Tottenham either last season or season before. Goal was given but it was rondly criticised, Yeah I know what you on about. I said there it was stupid from Gomes to not play to the referee's whistle. I think the referee was criticised though because the ref never gave the freekick because he played advantage, but once Gomes dropped it, the referee could've (maybe should've) said there was no advantage for Spurs- so free kick. Something like that
I am Rod Hull Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Glad to see that from Dhoni, he is one of the gentleman of the game and showed that today, is one of the reason's he is one of my favourite figures in sport. That is the spirit of the game. The football argument means nothing since the games are totally different with their attitudes and values. My favourite part of it all though was the wrestling/pantomine style entrance post tea with booing the villains and then the hero comes running out to massive cheers. 4 O`clock in the afternoon.. :beer: :beer: :beer: A few too many perhaps ?
Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Be interested to see what they think after the match if Bell turns in a match winning innings..might not be so sporting then. My exact thoughts, and I'm pretty sure England will cruise to a victory now. At the end of today's play after Bell makes a massive hundred, I've no doubt that some players will question Dhoni's decision (and would've been disappointed about it at the time), and there may be some dispute in the dressing room. India just don't look bothered atm, and are completely lost.
marko Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Can you honestly say that if it was given out, Bell only would have had himself to blame for making a schoolboy error? Obviously I would be angry, but fans would be more bias towards their preferred team (I favour India, but don't mind England for obvious reasons), but at the end of the day, the laws are the laws and Bell made a stupid mistake, and India were clever- and well within their rights to uphold the decision. Another football analogy... If the goalkeeper put the ball down for a goal kick thinking the ball went off and it didn't- WITH NO SIGNAL from the referee, and an attacker tapped the ball into an empty net, would you say it's unsportsmanlike, or just clever and good awareness from the attacker? I would say it's unsporting in the utmost. Of course Bell has been dopey, but when you take all the circumstance in to account e.g fielder reaction, the fact it was tea/end of an over, he wasn't attempting another run. Then I believe Bell's actions were understandable. Exactly, laws are laws and playing in the spirit of the game is in the laws!!! If that decision had been upheld it would certainly not have been in the spirit of the game, therefore not within laws in my opinion and as they say "it's just not cricket" So, you'd be angry, therefore you know it's not the correct decision to give a batsmen out in such circumstances. I've already said that Dhoni has done the right thing and he should be applauded for such a gesture.
Corky Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 He's gone now, cost them 22 runs. So confusing, but at least Bell won't do that again.
Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 I would say it's unsporting in the utmost. Of course Bell has been dopey, but when you take all the circumstance in to account e.g fielder reaction, the fact it was tea/end of an over, he wasn't attempting another run. Then I believe Bell's actions were understandable. Exactly, laws are laws and playing in the spirit of the game is in the laws!!! If that decision had been upheld it would certainly not have been in the spirit of the game, therefore not within laws in my opinion and as they say "it's just not cricket" So, you'd be angry, therefore you know it's not the correct decision to give a batsmen out in such circumstances. I've already said that Dhoni has done the right thing and he should be applauded for such a gesture. People will have their opinions and I respect that, just my personal viewpoint is that Bell made the mistake so India should've accepted it. Not blaming Bell for coming back out, as if India are stupid enough to give him a second chance then it would be even more stupid not to take it.
Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 and btw, SkySports just showed the replay, showing Kumar said he didn't know whether it was a four.
marko Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 and btw, SkySports just showed the replay, showing Kumar said he didn't know whether it was a four. I just watched it, but it was hardly the actions of a man who was desperate to stop Bell running another.
Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 I just watched it, but it was hardly the actions of a man who was desperate to stop Bell running another. Cause he could see that Bell WASN'T running another? And Morgan out now... If India could somehow make England collapse now, with a lead of around 320- it would set up a good match.
marko Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Cause he could see that Bell WASN'T running another? And Morgan out now... If India could somehow make England collapse now, with a lead of around 320- it would set up a good match. He was half way down the pitch.
Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 He was half way down the pitch. Walking? With Morgan stood at his crease. And there would be no real point in sprinting towards the ball and a full speed throw as a run would've been there for the taking.
marko Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Walking? With Morgan stood at his crease. And there would be no real point in sprinting towards the ball and a full speed throw as a run would've been there for the taking. Then surely doing at such a pedestrian pace would have made the run ever easier. Anyway, it's a moot point now. Dhoni did the correct thing, India got Bell fair and square - cricket is the winner.
Corky Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 It probably was out, but it didn't look right. Anyway, hopefully this sort of situation won't arise again.
Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Think Atherton just made a decent point. When Harbhajan was given out yesterday, it was shown seconds later he had an inside edge. Many England players would've known he got the inside edge knowing they got a wrongful wicket. The spirit of the game is thrown into question there. And what Botham just mentioned.
I am Rod Hull Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Away from all this.. We`re looking good to go 2-0 up..
Dylan Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Away from all this.. We`re looking good to go 2-0 up.. Will do most likely, the Indian batting has been a shambles so far this series, and chasing 400+ will always be hard. That said, this Indian batting line-up are capable with chasing down anything ON THEIR DAY, with the class acts of Dravid, Laxman and Tendulkar. Although they'll need to learn from England to take the game to the bowlers rather than being so careful and defensive.
Corky Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 The England management team should be commended for making virtually all the players have some ability to bat for a while. We don't have a tail which is a massive boost.
accessory Posted 31 July 2011 Posted 31 July 2011 Most of the ex-pros (on Sky and BBC) said Dhoni should have stuck to his guns. They clearly have no idea of the fans' perspective. Not all fans have encyclopedic knowledge of the laws of the game. Imagine what would have happened if Tendulkar had been run out in such an incident in Delhi or Mumbai. All credit to Rahul Dravid for the class he showed in his interview at close of play. India took a battering today, and again had the rough end of a few disallowed lbw appeals, but Dravid was still happy to chat to Sky about the events of the day. A few of his colleagues (and indeed players from other sports) would do well to watch and learn from him. Meanwhile, although England are now on top, they will need a swift return to form from Graeme Swann to close the game out and take a 2-0 lead in the series.
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