OzFox Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 That'll be the reason he didn't get a good run in the team. Some people forget that decisions are usually not made just with the game time they get and what they do with it. Clearly he's not banging them in in training either. Precisely.
accessory Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 That'll be the reason he didn't get a good run in the team. Some people forget that decisions are usually not made just with the game time they get and what they do with it. Clearly he's not banging them in in training either. Nor is he diving into reckless tackles and letting down his team-mates and fans. Waghorn > Vassell, whatever Sven might think.
sphericalfox Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Nor is he diving into reckless tackles and letting down his team-mates and fans. Waghorn > Vassell, whatever Sven might think. Seriously, Vassell is a numpty for that tackle. No argument about that. However what Vassell offers to the team is slighty different to what should be expected from Waggy. Vassell is not prolific as a striker, never was. What he does do, he does well. Yesterday is a blot, but he's not that kinda player, so a lapse in judgement is allowed once in a while. However Waggy is expected to score and create. Neither of which he is doing. So waggy's lapse of concentration is greater than Vassell's one off idiocy.
wurmer Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Nor is he diving into reckless tackles and letting down his team-mates and fans. Waghorn > Vassell, whatever Sven might think. Glad he's being paid to run the team and not you then.
Marmite Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 To be honest I think he would of thrived on playing in a local derby at Coventry, at least he could of been on the bench. We desperately need a striker so why not give him a chance
sphericalfox Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 To be honest I think he would of thrived on playing in a local derby at Coventry, at least he could of been on the bench. We desperately need a striker so why not give him a chance It's clear enough that when we get our new striker in, Waggy is off. I'd say the paperwork is already done for wherever he's going. The only hold up is his replacement. I have had hope for him, and maybe it'll be a loan move, but I doubt it, as he'll score goals inevitably to some people's disdain(see Fryatt), but this current form is not promotion contending and we need everyone firing on all cylinders!
crisp packet Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 When the news was going around last season regarding derby etc.... Waggy has known that he was surplus to requirement at city, he was the last man off the pitch Away at man city , threw his top into the crowd as to say goodbye to city fans . The writing was on the wall! Was shocked to see him the next game , he will be off! house sold ,don't think he fits into our system any where across the front 3 , technically not good enough am afraid ...( my opinion) We play passing football , if he played on a park he would have mates in the trees ....
OzFox Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 The alarm bells were ringing for me when Steve Bruce described the fee as "an incredible bit of business" with a barely disguised smirk on his face. He clearly thought Waghorn was worth nowhere near that amount of money. Shows occasional flashes of talent but is too one-footed and has looked desperately short of confidence. A loan or a move wouldn't be a bad thing
Karljohn Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Sadly after yesterday's exclusion I think Waggy will be packing his bags, and I do believe it will be this seasons "max gradel" story in the making. I think Howard had more minutes than Waghorn last season which is quite shocking really.
sphericalfox Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Sadly after yesterday's exclusion I think Waggy will be packing his bags, and I do believe it will be this seasons "max gradel" story in the making. I think Howard had more minutes than Waghorn last season which is quite shocking really. If he doesn't play in the League Cup then we definetly know the answer.
Bugg Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Nor is he diving into reckless tackles and letting down his team-mates and fans. Waghorn > Vassell, whatever Sven might think. You must have forgot when we played Bristol City in 2009/10 when he dived in recklessly on a Bristol City player and got himself suspended for 3 game.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Right then when/if he starts against Rotherham, we'll see how good he does. No doubt they'll be some excuse such as "He was played out of position", "No-one gave him any support", "You can't expect him to score on his first match back" Don't get me wrong I like Waggy, but if Sven isn't picking him, thats because he isn't good enough, and we've seen he isn't good enough ourselves when he plays. In reality his set pieces are terrible, his shooting is terrible, he rarely gets by a man. I can see why he hasn't got a future here.
thewarmanator Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 You must have forgot when we played Bristol City in 2009/10 when he dived in recklessly on a Bristol City player and got himself suspended for 3 game. Well said! That was malicious rather than Vassells over eagerness yesterday
Leicester Bob Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 All these people slating waggy need to have a look at the big long transfer deadline thread where we signed him last season! every single person on this board was over the moon, that was because we had seen first hand how much quality and potential he had in his first immense season on loan. and now after one season plagued by injury, managerial upheaval and not getting a fair crack under sven, suddenly he can't hack it!! these people are more than likely the same ones who were glad to see the back of the 'inconsistent' Max Gradel! I would be shocked to hear anyone argue that Waghorn's first season at leicester doesn't pi*ss all over vassell's first season at leicester and personally I would love to see him get a run of games. However this looks unlikely as Sven just doesn't seem to rate the lad so for Waggys sake i'd like to see him find another club (Not Derby please!!) and kick on with his promising career.
Happy Fox Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 It was massively stupid to pay that fee for him, I knew at the time it would be a huge gamble signing him permanently, and unfortunately he hasn't lived up to expectations, I wish him well for the future if he does leave good luck waggy
Leicester Bob Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 It was massively stupid to pay that fee for him, I knew at the time it would be a huge gamble signing him permanently, and unfortunately he hasn't lived up to expectations, I wish him well for the future if he does leave good luck waggy Just like Max Gradel didn't live up to expectations or DJ Campbell? think people need to realise that there is a difference between 'not getting a chance' and 'not making the grade'!
wurmer Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Just like Max Gradel didn't live up to expectations or DJ Campbell? think people need to realise that there is a difference between 'not getting a chance' and 'not making the grade'! DJ had plenty of chances.
Leicester Bob Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 DJ had plenty of chances. Don't really remember him getting a run in the team under Pearson. could be wrong though! don't get me wrong though I hated the bloke and was glad to see the back of him just using him and Gradel as examples that just because the regime in charge doesn't rate a player, it doesn't mean that, that player is not good enough to cut it at this level or in DJ's case a level higher! tell me you didn't feel a bit gutted last season when Max was tearing up the championship or you won't feel a bit regretful when Leeds get a 3 million+ transfer fee for the kid? all I'm saying is fair enough it clearly isn't working out for him at leicester and sven can pick who he wants but just cause he isn't getting a chance lets not suddenly pretend he's crap, else we may end up looking a bit silly... again. Best thing for everyone is a year's loan to someone, i'm sure he'd do the business then at the end of the season if sven still doesn't see a place for him, he's added value to his transfer fee.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 All these people slating waggy need to have a look at the big long transfer deadline thread where we signed him last season! every single person on this board was over the moon, that was because we had seen first hand how much quality and potential he had in his first immense season on loan. and now after one season plagued by injury, managerial upheaval and not getting a fair crack under sven, suddenly he can't hack it!! these people are more than likely the same ones who were glad to see the back of the 'inconsistent' Max Gradel! I would be shocked to hear anyone argue that Waghorn's first season at leicester doesn't pi*ss all over vassell's first season at leicester and personally I would love to see him get a run of games. However this looks unlikely as Sven just doesn't seem to rate the lad so for Waggys sake i'd like to see him find another club (Not Derby please!!) and kick on with his promising career. I think this shows more the desperation most fans felt at the beginning of last season when it was obvious we were in severe trouble with the Mad Portugeezer in charge. A lot (myself included) were hoping he would perform miracles and drive us up the league because he did ok under Pearson. The difference between this season and last season is incomparable and unfortunately he hasn't lived up to all the hype and expectation (perhaps too much was heaped on him) that most fans were hoping. He is a full, all out player but his technical deficiencies will stop him from ever being a top player. Best of luck to him where ever he goes though (hopefully as part of the deal to bring either Maynard or Long to Leicester).
Nocturnal Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 I think this shows more the desperation most fans felt at the beginning of last season when it was obvious we were in severe trouble with the Mad Portugeezer in charge. A lot (myself included) were hoping he would perform miracles and drive us up the league because he did ok under Pearson. The difference between this season and last season is incomparable and unfortunately he hasn't lived up to all the hype and expectation (perhaps too much was heaped on him) that most fans were hoping. He is a full, all out player but his technical deficiencies will stop him from ever being a top player. Best of luck to him where ever he goes though (hopefully as part of the deal to bring either Maynard or Long to Leicester). I agree, it also didn't help that we paid too much for him, we were desperate and it was a Milan signing to boost morale. I think Sven will want to move him on this year, it's obvious he's not in his plans. Furthermore if he goes it means we wont have to pay any addons if we get promoted
Thracian Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 DJ had plenty of chances. No he didn't, he got bit parts. It was glaringly obvious that Gradel and DJ both had goals in them if used properly but this place has been a forward's graveyard for years. Apart from Kingy it's hard to think of one City striker in the last 10 years who's improved for being here. And who the hell is going to improve them when you look at our approach to attacking anyway? This isn't a reactionary comment, I've said it consistently for years. Not only have we signed attackers who no scout should ever have recommended while sober but we've used central midfielders and full-backs on the wing, we've left players out after doing well, we've played people when they're not fit, have expected forwards to perform in a team full of defenders and messed people about something rotten. Look at N'Guessan just as one example. Did he ever play two successive 90 minutes in the same position? Did he even play 90 minutes? It's not worth citing more examples because they abound. Hell we even did it with Dyer. leaving him out when he was arguably the most dangerous attacker in our team at the time, just as now. With Waghorn I've no idea if he's really any good or not. I suspect not because he's so one footed, his pace doesn't last, he wants to blast the net apart instead of being ruthlessly disciplined and he's not the most natural passer. But he's still young, he's hardly been involved and we've forked out a fortune only to decide not to use him. Barmy! Yet someone like Vassell is kept constantly involved and for what? Precious little real return that I've seen so far, especially from the wing. At least the rank bad singnings seem to have ended under the current regime but there are still lots of things i don't see - like pace, movement, people who can get past defenders and strikers who can score. That's a lot to be missing from a potential title challenger. And even when the attackers come who have we got among our coaches to bring the best out of em? Cos if there is anyone I've not seen signs of their input on the pitch.
tickler28 Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 No he didn't, he got bit parts. It was glaringly obvious that Gradel and DJ both had goals in them if used properly but this place has been a forward's graveyard for years. Apart from Kingy it's hard to think of one City striker in the last 10 years who's improved for being here. And who the hell is going to improve them when you look at our approach to attacking anyway? This isn't a reactionary comment, I've said it consistently for years. Not only have we signed attackers who no scout should ever have recommended while sober but we've used central midfielders and full-backs on the wing, we've left players out after doing well, we've played people when they're not fit, have expected forwards to perform in a team full of defenders and messed people about something rotten. Look at N'Guessan just as one example. Did he ever play two successive 90 minutes in the same position? Did he even play 90 minutes? It's not worth citing more examples because they abound. Hell we even did it with Dyer. leaving him out when he was arguably the most dangerous attacker in our team at the time, just as now. With Waghorn I've no idea if he's really any good or not. I suspect not because he's so one footed, his pace doesn't last, he wants to blast the net apart instead of being ruthlessly disciplined and he's not the most natural passer. But he's still young, he's hardly been involved and we've forked out a fortune only to decide not to use him. Barmy! Yet someone like Vassell is kept constantly involved and for what? Precious little real return that I've seen so far, especially from the wing. Spot on. This is the first post I've read for a long time that makes total sense. You only had to watch the football league show last night to see how other teams score goals the way we don't look at Brightons goals and Southampton for example. At least the rank bad singnings seem to have ended under the current regime but there are still lots of things i don't see - like pace, movement, people who can get past defenders and strikers who can score. That's a lot to be missing from a potential title challenger. And even when the attackers come who have we got among our coaches to bring the best out of em? Cos if there is anyone I've not seen signs of their input on the pitch.
Haydos Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 "Spot on. This is the first post I've read for a long time that makes total sense. You only had to watch the football league show last night to see how other teams score goals the way we don't look at Brightons goals and Southampton for example." Give it a rest, we've played one ****ing game. Not to mention last season we scored probably the best selection of goals I've seen us score. Muppet.
El Sieffsi Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Just spoke to Martyn. Was coming out the gym at the Marriott and getting into my car when him and his mrs pulled up alongside me. He's got a black audi S5 with the numberplate W33GGY before anyone thinks I'm BS. Asked him a few ques, he was happy to stand and chat for a bit. He's moved out his house in kirby muxloe and staying at the Marriott at the min. I asked him straight if he's moving and he replied "hope not" just gotta see like in that geordie accent he's got.. I also asked if wellens was capt for the season and he smiled, hope I'm not reading too much into it but I reckon he's off. He had a mega house in Kirby and no reason to move out. Time will tell anyway, thought I'd share it with everyone anyway I was on coach 1 at Cov and after the game i saw Waggy sign 1 thing then he got on the players coach..he didn't look happy,when we got back to Leicester the kids wanted to hang around for the players coach to arrive..(so did i)..Waggy got off and RAN to his car and was gone..while Weale,Bamba,Nugent,Mills,Abe and Fernandes were all happy to sign/chat..Fernandes said that he wasn't even 100% fit!!..anyways..odd behaviour by Waggy methinks..i think he's going,even said that as my lad got 14 on his shirt..maybe if we hadn't started so badly last season he may have got more playing time,but with the squad we have now i don't think he has much of a chance..hope he does well whatever happens
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