Grewks Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 If we had a bid of £3 million pounds or more for Kingy would you accept it? Yesterday showed us that he cannot play attacking midfield and he costs us many games and points through lack of involvement. If he doesnt score he offers nothing to our team, seen mark davies today for Bolton and he was on the bench but looked extremeley lively when he came on. Get the cash in for king and then offer £4 million for Davies?
HEGGSY Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Why would Mark davies leave and how can you judge him on one sub appearance
marko Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Sorry if this is obvious but which Davies are you talking about curtis, Ben , steven I assume he means Mark Davies. We had him on loan in League 1. No way on earth would they accept 4m, plus he wouldn't drop a division.
HEGGSY Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Yeh sorry about that just skipped to the end but after i realised who he meant after I re read
Grewks Posted 21 August 2011 Author Posted 21 August 2011 Why would Mark davies leave and how can you judge him on one sub appearance Im judging him on the performances he had here and also the performances he had last season (when not injured) for Bolton.
HEGGSY Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Im judging him on the performances he had here and also the performances he had last season (when not injured) for Bolton. Fair enough he was very decent here but I just cant see him dropping down let alone Bolton accepting £4m in the first place
sphericalfox Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Considering Mark Davies played this evening (though as sub), he's definitely in Bolton's first team plans. He's NEVER coming to us. When Johnson is match fit, we'll have that cutting edge in the midfield.
Raw Dykes Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Considering Mark Davies played this evening (though as sub), he's definitely in Bolton's first team plans. He's NEVER coming to us. When Johnson is match fit, we'll have that cutting edge in the midfield. Yes! Imagine the first half performance yesterday, but with a fully fit Johnson instead of the invisible King! I cannot wait to see this happen. It would be like we have 11 players in the side!
Ashley Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Were just like the invsible man, were not really here. We are not were not really here, we are not were not really here were just like the invisible man cuz were not really here.
sdb Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 The invisible man who scores 15 goals a season... Don't go overboard because of a quiet start to the season. He's a top player at this level.
sphericalfox Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Yes! Imagine the first half performance yesterday, but with a fully fit Johnson instead of the invisible King! I cannot wait to see this happen. It would be like we have 11 players in the side! I guess the question to be asked is why king has gone off the boil. He wasn't always playing on form last season, yet he scored goals. Perhaps there is a confidence issue. I think we are yet to see the best of him, but for his sake he better start producing or he'll find himself on the bench more often than not if Johnson gets a look in and performs himself. King, in my view plays better when the team are on a roll. As we are not there quite yet, we are not seeing his best. Also his captaincy has been passed over to Mills. Has this had a knock on effect on him?
lcfcsnow Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 The invisible man who scores 15 goals a season... Don't go overboard because of a quiet start to the season. He's a top player at this level. He won't get into double figures this season, and he's been in awful form since the last 3 months of last season. Either theres a problem or he's been found out.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 I guess the question to be asked is why king has gone off the boil. He wasn't always playing on form last season, yet he scored goals. Perhaps there is a confidence issue. I think we are yet to see the best of him, but for his sake he better start producing or he'll find himself on the bench more often than not if Johnson gets a look in and performs himself. King, in my view plays better when the team are on a roll. As we are not there quite yet, we are not seeing his best. Also his captaincy has been passed over to Mills. Has this had a knock on effect on him? Agree with this.. King is a much better player in a team playing with confidence where he has time to dictate play and to make those forward bursts. When we are struggling and the opposition are quickly closing us down king neither has the physical presence nor the stamina to win the ball and to get us attacking again. Maybe this is a little harsh but I think it's true. For me, the best overall season king had was in league one.. Not for goals scored of course, but for dictating the tempo of games.
cc_star Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 No He's been messed about by Sven, just needs a run in the team. Also, despite all his goals he's not an attacking midfielder, something that many people don't seem to be able to grasp, he ghosts in from nowhere arriving late to score, most of his work is in the build up of attacks. Don't forget that apart from 45mins against a dreadful, really dreadful Forest side we've been crap this season AS A TEAM A flair player is hardly going to do well when the other 9 (Kasper's always been great) are a sack of sh1t The team that performed well against Forest need to play, more chopping & changing will send us back to Reading/Bristol City performance levels, once settled King will again add to the tempo of our play, whilst scoring plenty in the process
Grewks Posted 21 August 2011 Author Posted 21 August 2011 No He's been messed about by Sven, just needs a run in the team. Also, despite all his goals he's not an attacking midfielder, something that many people don't seem to be able to grasp, he ghosts in from nowhere arriving late to score, most of his work is in the build up of attacks. Don't forget that apart from 45mins against a dreadful, really dreadful Forest side we've been crap this season AS A TEAM A flair player is hardly going to do well when the other 9 (Kasper's always been great) are a sack of sh1t The team that performed well against Forest need to play, more chopping & changing will send us back to Reading/Bristol City performance levels, once settled King will again add to the tempo of our play, whilst scoring plenty in the process We all know that king is not an attacking mid but i could not trust him to be in any other position in the diamond. Fernandes and Danns showed that they had the fitness and quickness to play the wider roles allowing them to be a threat going forward and helping out defensiveley. King doesnt have the pace to play that role. He would not be suited in Wellens position either as he rarely puts a foot in and does not dictate play in the championship. i honestly think fernandes could chip in with those 15 as he should have scored at cov, again due to us playing the Barca style pressing game.
dannythefox Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 3m your having a laugh. Agree he didn't really come in to the game yesterday but he does score 10-15 goals a season. I no I would always want him in my team in this division.
lcfcsmith Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Last season he only offered goals, which yes I know were very important to our play-off challenge, but if we get a good midfielder in (or Johnson when fit) to replace King's 15 goals, we'll be fine. Plus someone like Johnson would get 5 goals anyway plus would allow our team to score another 10-15 goals through the season. King's good at scoring goals but he goes missing far too often through a game and can make it more difficult for our team as a whole. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I dislike him or anything, I'm just saying that something like a £3 million bid would be acceptable as we could replace him with a better player. Until then, I'll continue to support him as long as he puts in 100% every game.
deasy Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 When playing well easily our best player. Not far in the season you cant judge him.
Thracian Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Yes, I'd accept the £3million. It's time Kingy left if only to show how good he would be in a team playing properly and with a consistent sense of direction. I'll ignore the lunacy of preferring people who hardly score any goals to someone who consistly scores double figures and adds a fair share of assists as well. But it's not just that is it. Get the passes stats and the shooting stats and the "invisible" King is top or thereabouts. King has always been a ghostly player even at his best and far better that that the clumsiness of people who's "getting stuck in" gave away our game against Bristol City, got Vassell sent off at Coventry thus costing the side considerable balance and is forever costing us dangerous free kicks in dangerous places. King doesn't really belong here. As I mentioned last week, he belongs in a properly organised fast-passing team with proper options and footballing strikers like Yakubu and others who can and will play one-twos. We want to play like that are always too scared to do it when were winning. Kings wants to be where they're committed to attacking and scoring goals We've actually offered far more in attack since King's been back and in the first half against Nottingham actually looked like a potentially decent team. Wellens totally disappeared second half against Forest - presumably because he hadn't got the legs any more w hile King found himself in a team that suddenly didn't want to pass and move but simply wanted to hold what they'd got. But I waste my breath. Yes, I'd take £3m and believe that the lad would be just as effective in the Premiership where he fast-passing game and deft movement would be more appreciated and would benefit still further from better and more pacey off-the-ball runners around him. We are still a work in progress where pace, movement, attacking full-backs and effective partnerships are concerned - all things that King would feed off.
Lambert09 Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 Nobody is perfect, you have to take the rough with the smooth if he goes missing in one game then scores in the next I'm happy as larry
Jaspa Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 People on her are acting as if were in a team like Villa's position. We need a squad of players and he fits in very very well, clearly a polite intelligent person who holds respect from others(reason for last seasons captaincy) He does have some weak points in his performances but he's working very hard to get through them. Will get better with age to, difinatly keep. Value him at £6M+
marbelladave Posted 22 August 2011 Posted 22 August 2011 Agree with this.. King is a much better player in a team playing with confidence where he has time to dictate play and to make those forward bursts. When we are struggling and the opposition are quickly closing us down king neither has the physical presence nor the stamina to win the ball and to get us attacking again. Maybe this is a little harsh but I think it's true. For me, the best overall season king had was in league one.. Not for goals scored of course, but for dictating the tempo of games. King is simply being played out of position, simple as. Despite his fine finishing, he is not an attacking midfield player at all, he plays little part in the buildup, doesn't drive forward at a set defence and doesn't play in out forward players. Yes he plays a part in our attacking play but it is very much a supporting part, linking play and moving on, he is no more a playmaker than I am! No He's been messed about by Sven, just needs a run in the team. Also, despite all his goals he's not an attacking midfielder, something that many people don't seem to be able to grasp, he ghosts in from nowhere arriving late to score, most of his work is in the build up of attacks. Don't forget that apart from 45mins against a dreadful, really dreadful Forest side we've been crap this season AS A TEAM A flair player is hardly going to do well when the other 9 (Kasper's always been great) are a sack of sh1t The team that performed well against Forest need to play, more chopping & changing will send us back to Reading/Bristol City performance levels, once settled King will again add to the tempo of our play, whilst scoring plenty in the process Somewhat contradictory statement. He actually does little in our buildup, it is ability to arrive late from deep that makes him so dangerous, in fact the further forward he plays the least effective he is. Until we understand that we are going to get little out of him. We all know that king is not an attacking mid but i could not trust him to be in any other position in the diamond. Fernandes and Danns showed that they had the fitness and quickness to play the wider roles allowing them to be a threat going forward and helping out defensiveley. King doesnt have the pace to play that role. He would not be suited in Wellens position either as he rarely puts a foot in and does not dictate play in the championship. i honestly think fernandes could chip in with those 15 as he should have scored at cov, again due to us playing the Barca style pressing game. If "we all know that King is not an attacking mid", why do most of the posters on here insist on placing him in the attacking roll? As I said above, he is at his best arriving late and at pace. Deployed well forward he is easily marked and often stationary, practically flat footed when receiving the ball. far less effectve. Furthermore I think the base of the diamond is the only position he can play in that system, Wellens is awful in that role, reads the play poorly, sits too deep, doesn't get forward, spends too long on the ball etc, etc, a real liability. King on the other hand is far better defensively in terms of positioning etc and is excellent defending inside our own box. When we are in posession he can still make his runs, this time from deep and arriving late, when he is at his most effective.
somebum Posted 22 August 2011 Posted 22 August 2011 Sven just doesn't know how to use him. It's the same scenario as Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney et all when he coached England. No idea how to get the best out of his players. What good is a pack of wolves led by a sheep?
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