Thracian Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 How many players have made a successful return to LCFC over the last ten years, players should not go back as they have moved on the club has moved on and it is virtually impossible to fullfil the fans expectations, I'm inclined to agree. It's just hard to imagine Gallagher and Vassell matching Gradel's 18 goals for a season between them, let alone each. With his seven assists as well, that makes 25 goals Gradel was directly involved in and we threw him away. It's not comforting to reflect on what that might have cost us!.
Nick Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 I'm inclined to agree. It's just hard to imagine Gallagher and Vassell matching Gradel's 18 goals for a season between them, let alone each. With his seven assists as well, that makes 25 goals Gradel was directly involved in and we threw him away. It's not comforting to reflect on what that might have cost us!. Time to move on now Thrac - everybody rated Gradel but him and Pearson didn't seem to hit it off. The end.
Ric Flair Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 That Levi Porter looks dangerous for Wigston Car Breakers FC. Smuts, you can't argue with his goal scoring record last season though? He's also used as a striker now and therefore there's less emphasis on responsibility to cross the ball, however he actually created a lot of goals as well last year from ripsnorting crosses so I think you might have to hold your hands up on this one me ode.
Dicko Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 How many players have made a successful return to LCFC over the last ten years, players should not go back as they have moved on the club has moved on and it is virtually impossible to fullfil the fans expectations, How many have tried? Off the top of my head I can only think of Guppy (who everyone knew was over the hill) and Dickov (who was on his last legs and brought in as a back-up). This is different. Gradel left us because he was inconsistent and didn't have much end product, and Pearson didn't want to persist with him. Since then, he has improved after getting regular games at Leeds, and we as a club have also grown (from being a club happy to challenge for the play-offs to a club spending on good players to get promotion). We also have a manager who is more accomodating of flair players. This isn't like re-signing an old favourite who is now over the hill, it's a player still in his prime who left when he was still learning his trade and is now a much better player. I still don't think it will happen, but I wouldn't be against it if it did.
Stevosevic Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 I can see the moan in callers already, "why did Sven sell Gradel only to sign him back..."
bluearmyfox23 Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Did Sven use him in his ivory coast squad and I wonder if he gets on with bamba ?
Criggers Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Did Sven use him in his ivory coast squad and I wonder if he gets on with bamba ? Nugent- Yak/SEB- Gradel would be a pretty exciting front three. Shame only one of those 4 actually plays for us edit: not sure why I quoted, must have pressed wrong button!
bald reynard Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Does anyone know if we negotiated a 'sell on ' fee with Leeds when we sold him ? If we did, it could be much better for Leeds for us to buy him - ie they would get to keep the full amount - they would have to give us some money back if sold elsewhere (assuming we buy at the same fee as another club !).
Ric Flair Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Does anyone know if we negotiated a 'sell on ' fee with Leeds when we sold him ? If we did, it could be much better for Leeds for us to buy him - ie they would get to keep the full amount - they would have to give us some money back if sold elsewhere (assuming we buy at the same fee as another club !). Yes we did.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Does anyone know if we negotiated a 'sell on ' fee with Leeds when we sold him ? If we did, it could be much better for Leeds for us to buy him - ie they would get to keep the full amount - they would have to give us some money back if sold elsewhere (assuming we buy at the same fee as another club !). We get 25% of the sell of fee. If we bought him, we'd just get 25% off the agreed price I assume.
Simmsy Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Does anyone know if we negotiated a 'sell on ' fee with Leeds when we sold him ? If we did, it could be much better for Leeds for us to buy him - ie they would get to keep the full amount - they would have to give us some money back if sold elsewhere (assuming we buy at the same fee as another club !). I think we have a 25% sell on clause. So I'd imagine if we bid £10m (just to make the figures easy) we'd only actually spend £7.5m. I'm not sure though, could anyone who knows for sure clarify the situation?
bald reynard Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Yes we did. Good. It would be daft if we didn't - but, given the regime at the time, it could have happened ! I'd like to see him back (I don't think he should have gone, as I said at the time) - but at least if he goes elsewhere, we'll get some dosh.
marko Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 I'm inclined to agree. It's just hard to imagine Gallagher and Vassell matching Gradel's 18 goals for a season between them, let alone each. With his seven assists as well, that makes 25 goals Gradel was directly involved in and we threw him away. It's not comforting to reflect on what that might have cost us!. I think you're being unfair on Gallagher. He scored 11 and made 9 assists which means he was directly involved in 20. Not a bad season in my opinion. Gradel also made more appearances than both Gallagher and Vassell. I know you'll disagree, but i'm not convinced Gradel would have made a massive difference to us last season (in terms of finishing position). We scored more than enough goals to be in the mix at the end of the season, but alas, our defensive frailties cost us dear. Who knows, maybe Gradel's attacking mind set was the reason Leeds missed out on the play-offs in the end. Perhaps if Leeds employed a 'steady eddy' on the wing, willing to track back and hassle opponents, it would have helped shore up a leaky defence at the expense of a few goals.
bald reynard Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 I think we have a 25% sell on clause. So I'd imagine if we bid £10m (just to make the figures easy) we'd only actually spend £7.5m. I'm not sure though, could anyone who knows for sure clarify the situation? So, if it is 25%, if we buy at anything up to 25% less than any other club is offering, Leeds will be 'in pocket'. Given your example (phew - £10m for Max !), we could offer £8m, Southampton £10m - Leeds would still be £500k better off - and sell to us (of course, they might have other reasons not to follow such logic !).
Heskey2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 I think you're being unfair on Gallagher. He scored 11 and made 9 assists which means he was directly involved in 20. Not a bad season in my opinion. Gradel also made more appearances than both Gallagher and Vassell. I know you'll disagree, but i'm not convinced Gradel would have made a massive difference to us last season (in terms of finishing position). We scored more than enough goals to be in the mix at the end of the season, but alas, our defensive frailties cost us dear. Who knows, maybe Gradel's attacking mind set was the reason Leeds missed out on the play-offs in the end. Perhaps if Leeds employed a 'steady eddy' on the wing, willing to track back and hassle opponents, it would have helped shore up a leaky defence at the expense of a few goals. Great point, i think there's a lot to be said for a winger/RM who can track back and help the full backs, more so when you're playing 433
General Smuts Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Smuts, you can't argue with his goal scoring record last season though? He's also used as a striker now and therefore there's less emphasis on responsibility to cross the ball, however he actually created a lot of goals as well last year from ripsnorting crosses so I think you might have to hold your hands up on this one me ode. No i can't argue with his goal scoring record (all flukes) but he has stupid hair and can't seem to kick a ball above the first defenders head when he's anywhere near the byline (see also Waghorn, Oakley, Clemence, Low, every Leicester Winger since Guppy). Also he has silly hair.
okie fox Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Great point, i think there's a lot to be said for a winger/RM who can track back and help the full backs, more so when you're playing 433 Gradel tracked back against West Ham last weekend.
Thracian Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 I think you're being unfair on Gallagher. He scored 11 and made 9 assists which means he was directly involved in 20. Not a bad season in my opinion. Gradel also made more appearances than both Gallagher and Vassell. I know you'll disagree, but i'm not convinced Gradel would have made a massive difference to us last season (in terms of finishing position). We scored more than enough goals to be in the mix at the end of the season, but alas, our defensive frailties cost us dear. Who knows, maybe Gradel's attacking mind set was the reason Leeds missed out on the play-offs in the end. Perhaps if Leeds employed a 'steady eddy' on the wing, willing to track back and hassle opponents, it would have helped shore up a leaky defence at the expense of a few goals. Although Gradel is much improved defensively, you might be right about him, although not mentioning that Leeds would have scored far fewer goals with a Steady Eddy and probably wouldn't have been involved in the play-offs in the first place doesn't help the argument. Nor does not mentioning the resources opposition teams would have needed to contain Gradel get mentioned in terms of the effect it would have had on their attacking potential. But that is all speculation. Regarding Gallagher, I've alluded to his goals/assists contribution before and been the first to defend his effectiveness even though I think his stats are somewhat flattering. That's because many of his goals/assists come from set plays and I think there are better dead-ball specialists to be found who will contribute more goals/assists/energy from open play and that's before I suggest the guy seems to have lost some sharpness and some preceision with his deliveries since last season. Yes, I might consider him an asset for another season as a squad player but not as first choice. But it's all down to philosophy and opinion I suppose. I accept that defensive teams can occasionally get promoted and George Graham confounded everyone by winninng things with boring football but much more often it's the teams that set out to overwhelm opposition who are the most successful. That's not to dismiss your point about defensive frailties. We've already seen what those can cost this season and that only points to the need for having a team that can attack and defend as one and I really don't see we're approaching that stage yet. Our full-backs aren't natural attackers and such wingers as we rarely use aren't natural defenders either (a premature complaint about Gradel). So that's four minuses to start with in terms of an effective team. Very few goals and indifferent defending from Wellens makes it minus five and no second centre-forward that I've any faith in makes it minus six. Our proven strengths? Schmeichel, Bamba, King (used properly) and Nugent. Our possible strengths: Danns energy and ability to be direct. Fernandes' ability to compliment King, Schlupp's potential.... It's not a lot in terms of what we need and I've not mentioned Johnson or Tunchev because there's no signs right now of them actually putting the shirt on. Altogether therefore, using the strengths to cancel the weaknesses, our team would rate maybe Plus One at best when it needs to be plus 11 and that most effectively shows how far we are away from what's necessary to win a genuine promotion place. I already believe that's unlikely and that a play-off place is our only hope now because it will take us too long to get the other necessary components in place.
MikeyT Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Leeds United winger Max Gradel claims Fulham are among the clubs to have shown an interest in buying him this summer. Fulham are in the market for a wide man after having a bid for FC Twente's Nacer Chadli rejected, while West Ham have previously seen a £2.5million offer for Gradel turned down.
Criggers Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Altogether therefore, using the strengths to cancel the weaknesses, our team would rate maybe Plus One at best when it needs to be plus 11 and that most effectively shows how far we are away from what's necessary to win a genuine promotion place. I already believe that's unlikely and that a play-off place is our only hope now because it will take us too long to get the other necessary components in place. I sort of see where you're coming from but really, we're already? unlikely to finish top 2?
Chazwaz Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 I want us to get Max just because it will piss off my friend who's a Leeds fan, he was right angry when we stole Kasper, this would tip him over the edge!
Jonny Chee Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Yes, please. Would love Max back here, just what we need....
kingfox Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Mail, Fourth Official all claiming we want him back we shouldn't of got rid of him in the first place. Would love him back, was one of our promising stars and the last two season's he has been excellent. Can see a surprise signing tbh before the end of the window, fingers crossed Gradel might want to come back.
ScottybRAF1553 Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 You must be having a chuckle if you think he will return. He should of had more of a run when he was here. He will probably laugh if he knows we want him back I would. unless he wants to come here then that's a different box of frogs all together.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 23 August 2011 Posted 23 August 2011 Oh Maxi Gradel, you are the love of my life Oh Maxi Gradel, I'll let you sleep with my wife Oh Maxi Gradel, I love your silky skills too Should had never let him go in the first place. Quite clearly talanted yet we got rid and played some French no mark for a lot of that season instead. Loved what Pearson did for us but dropped a major bollock on this one.
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