FOXYMUM Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 I don't post often due to the abuse members get, but I feel I must put my opinion forward. Sven has proved to us all that he cannot inspire the players, the fans are bored of the style of football we play, and the players do not seem to understand what is expected of them. Start with the defence, if we play a team that run at us there is panic, the midfield does not know awether to drop back or to stay up. The midfield are not fluid, there is no pass and move, we are far too static. The attack, our forwards all want the ball over the top or in the channels, the midfield cannot play the ball and join in the attack. We are getting beat because we are predictable and one dimensional. We Now have a class squad players who look unfit, unmotivated and lacking confidence. We cannot wait any longer for a change or our season could drift away from us.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 USE THE THREADS (Yes plural ) ALREADY STARTED! EDIT: Not a comment, abuse.
Libertine Dream Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 The next two are very losable game, which i expect us to gain at maximum a point out of, then we really are in a mess with no prospects under the current regime. Sack him, act quiclly and pay the conpensation for a good manager and see what happens. Fans are being turned away because of boring football and expectations not met aswell as expensive tickets. The attendance will be an embarrasment against palace if sven is still in charge.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 I don't post often due to the abuse members get, but I feel I must put my opinion forward. Sven has proved to us all that he cannot inspire the players, the fans are bored of the style of football we play, and the players do not seem to understand what is expected of them. Start with the defence, if we play a team that run at us there is panic, the midfield does not know awether to drop back or to stay up. The midfield are not fluid, there is no pass and move, we are far too static. The attack, our forwards all want the ball over the top or in the channels, the midfield cannot play the ball and join in the attack. We are getting beat because we are predictable and one dimensional. We Now have a class squad players who look unfit, unmotivated and lacking confidence. We cannot wait any longer for a change or our season could drift away from us. Oh bugger the footy! 'foxy mum?'... You can come here more....
tewkesbury-fox Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 I still can't make my mind up never really bought into the hype as Sven is stubborn he has a system and rarely deviates from it,on paper his buys have looked pretty decent,so that leaves questions on the coaching team which as been alluded to in some posts i have read.I would like to see Sven replace his back room team before the triggers pulled
Cropwellfox Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 lots of differing views which is what makes this forum worth reading and contributing to. My view is the the next international break will be a real test for our owners. I can't see any chance of a win in the next 2 away games, which makes the Leeds home game huge - if i'm correct it will mean going into Leeds on a run of 1 win in 5. If we fail to win that one, we'll be around 16th place, 7-ish pts from playoffs, with 2 weeks prior to another home game. If that scenario plays out, our owners will surely have to act. I don't want to see this scenario play out, but with how we're set up to play away from home, West Ham is mission improbable, and we'll then probably be too 'tired' for a tuesday night in shitty weather up at Burnley. For me - i'd get rid of SGE,Faz and Stowell now and bring in a coaching team which can get our players performing. The way the coaching is operating now clearly isn't working, and isn't going to help us with the 3 games to come. From great expectations to hard times in the space of a couple of months. Typical Leicester.
carterfox90 Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 stick with him till xmas if were not in the top 6 get rid! agreed
skinnydipper Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Sven in. His value is in attracting players that we otherwise might not get. Faz, Stowell out. With the players at our disposal they should be doing a lot better. The height of our capabilities without a dramatic change in style of play and performance levels seems to be a play off place. Would like to see Kevin Macdonald in to be groomed as Sven's successor.
flowwolf Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Sven in. His value is in attracting players that we otherwise might not get. Faz, Stowell out. With the players at our disposal they should be doing a lot better. The height of our capabilities without a dramatic change in style of play and performance levels seems to be a play off place. Would like to see Kevin Macdonald in to be groomed as Sven's successor. Sven in ? have I missed something. Attracting players like St ledger and Pantsil ? And as for Macdonald ! Stay off the Stella it doesn't suit you. :crylaugh: :crylaugh: :crylaugh:
Dan Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 Sven in. His value is in attracting players that we otherwise might not get. Faz, Stowell out. With the players at our disposal they should be doing a lot better. The height of our capabilities without a dramatic change in style of play and performance levels seems to be a play off place. Would like to see Kevin Macdonald in to be groomed as Sven's successor. And then mis-use, and then be embarrassed because we've spent even more stupid money on big name players who aren't performing. Seriously, why the hell have big names if we can't even make use of them, we'd look even more stupid. I'd rather have the smaller names who'll fight anyway.
CountesthorpeFox Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 Its an interesting one really. I mean, I for one hate over reactions and consistently sacking managers, rarely does anything good for the club. It has to be argued though that you'd expect us to be doing better. I guess we are only 5 points off 2nd but the results so far have not been what you would expect from such an expensively assembled squad. I keep telling myself that around the festive period we will start really climbing the table as other teams wont have the strength in depth we do to deal with the highly concentrated fixture schedule and inevitable injuries. There are some areas though that worry me about Svens management. I mean when he came in he did a fantastic job lifting us out of the bottom three and into the fringes of the playoffs. Since then though we've lacked consistency. We also seem to lack discipline. Too many red cards . Sven in, but as one of his most adamant supporters im beginning to sway.
Kitchandro Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 I completely agree. Consistency is what we have lacked for the last 4 or 5 years. The amount of managerial changes and changes to the playing squad is quite frankly ridiculous. The only way we are ever going to build up some good form is by keeping a settled manager with a settled playing squad. I expected us to be inconsistent at least to Christmas. Where I would hope the consistency would start to develop. The other teams I have been using as a barometer to try and guage progress are Cardiff and Ipswich, both who have had large changes to their playing squads and both who have been inconsistant. IMO Sven should be given till the end of his contract and if we are within touching distance of the playoffs by Christmas I will be happy (ready to push on). That's not entirely true. For the most part, we've just lacked a good manager for the last 4 or 5 years. People go on about stability, which is important and actually quite a valid argument (in fact the only one) for keeping Sven. But the bottom line is a manager should only keep his job if he is good enough. Mandaric had a lot of managers in his tenure but the majority of them went because they were doing a bad job - Megson left by his own accord but everyone seemed happy to see him go (I think he would have kept us up myself). If we want to talk about stability then it's Pearson we shouldn't have let go, he was the man we should have kept for a long period of time. Allen was also sacked too early, he was useless in the transfer market but is actually pretty good at getting the most out of his players, and I know for a fact that ours were disappointed when he left. However, it's unlikely he would have been a good long term appointment. Now the question is, is stability a good enough reason on it's own to keep a manager? I haven't made my mind up yet. The long and short of it is for me - we won't get automatic promotion with Sven and that was his objective, so he doesn't deserve to stay.The play-offs is still a possibility, though I'm not confident, and we just look like the kind of team that would fail in the play-offs anyway. On the other hand, sacking the manager and getting a new one in is a risk, we may start slowly, he may be an even worse appointment and we may finish midtable. I mean, who is Top realistically going to go for? The players would also start to get very disillusioned with what they'd let themselves in for and that wouldn't help the new manager. I think I'm still just about in the camp of sticking with Sven until the end of the season. For me, there's no point saying wait til Christmas, because whilst I'm sure we won't be in the top 2, I'm also sure we'll still be in with 'a shout' of the top 6, and in that scenario, as I've said, it would be risk to bring in a new manager in case things got worse, just the same as now, so if we aren't getting rid now when I'm already pretty sure we won't get automatic promotion, why wait til Christmas to do it? I've accepted we're probably not going up though, so, although I think Sven should just about keep his job, it's not because of anything he's doing, and frankly, even after this long post, I'm still not sure what my rationale for coming to that conclusion is. When Sven does go, which will be before the start of next season, his replacement will be a massive decision, because if we have not improved by this time next year, attendances will really start to plummet and I despair to think about what state the club could be in by then. I still have a slight worry about this financial fair play stuff tbh...
Raj Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 Who do we get in as replacement? Billy Davies. He knows the Championship. P.S Dont want Sven out....yet.....BUT by Xmas if we are still stuttering id go for Davies
skinnydipper Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 Sven in ? have I missed something. Attracting players like St ledger and Pantsil ? And as for Macdonald ! Stay off the Stella it doesn't suit you. :crylaugh: :crylaugh: :crylaugh: Sorry. I don't think Guardiola's available yet. As for St Ledger and Pantsil they're drcent enough squad players IMO for the championship. And with your knowledge of football I bet you think Kevin Macdonald is someone in Coronation Street. Players choice to take over at Villa before Houllier and did a fantastic job bringing talent through to the first team in the Villa youth set up. I worry about you posting so late, particularly with school the next day. Be careful. If discovered mummy may confiscate your phone!
Stay Positive Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 I know some people think "Sven's been given enough time" but I don't see it like that at all. The most successful managers in the country have been the ones who have been given time to develop, and 12 months is NOT a long time. Look at Ferguson (and before anyone says it, of COURSE I'm not comparing the two, this is just a yardstick) - when he took over at Man Utd, they finished 11th a couple of times and were perilously close to getting relegated at one point. A few years in, and look what happened. I think if we persevere with Sven, things WILL improve. We're still in a decent position, and I honestly believe Mills will make a difference when he returns from his ban.
Babylon Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 In for the moment. But that opinion will change pretty quickly if he is unable to find a formation and style, that suits the players he has purchased. He's had time, money, pre-season, and a dozen or so games with this team, everything a manager could wish for. By now we should have a clear idea of our best 11 players, best formation, a sense of direction etc. But I go down there on Saturday and just feel like 11 players have been plonked on the pitch and we're all hoping for the best. We should be beyond that at this stage. It's not a lost cause by any means, so the panic button isn't being pressed yet. And I don't think the owners will either for a while yet.
Raj Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 I know some people think "Sven's been given enough time" but I don't see it like that at all. The most successful managers in the country have been the ones who have been given time to develop, and 12 months is NOT a long time. Look at Ferguson (and before anyone says it, of COURSE I'm not comparing the two, this is just a yardstick) - when he took over at Man Utd, they finished 11th a couple of times and were perilously close to getting relegated at one point. A few years in, and look what happened. I think if we persevere with Sven, things WILL improve. We're still in a decent position, and I honestly believe Mills will make a difference when he returns from his ban. Fergie was of a different era. Its different now. Managers dont get time. END OF...(Barring Nigel Clough and the only reason he was given time is cos of his surname)
Stay Positive Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 Fergie was of a different era. Its different now. Managers dont get time.END OF...(Barring Nigel Clough and the only reason he was given time is cos of his surname) ...which is wrong. Unless their team is perilously close to relegation for too long. And what about Moyes?
Guest Col city fan Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 The problem I have with Sven is still that this man has achieved very little (I'm not on about winning things, just having some sort of success) for a very long time.. Yes he's a 'name' and can attract players, although I still maintain that's more about money than people wanting to play for him in particular Yes he's a nice guy too But it would appear that some of the players at the club need the proverbial boot up the arse and I question whether Sven has it in him to deliver this I simply don't see any improvement over last season. Then we were winning one, losing one just like this year.. The difference this year is that this is now Svens squad and, in relative terms, he has splashed the cash. No excuses can be proffered regarding 'a team full of loanees' because that just is not the case anymore Sven, saviour or charlatan... I'm beginning to think the latter is probably correct and our inconsistency is becoming indefensible. The truth is this... Lose on Saturday and we are getting too far behind to mount a serious challenge. IF we were losing narrowly, on the back of good performances we could just about accept it and sympathise with the players.. However, the game against Millwall was stinky.. No sympathy can be given to anyone for that performance and I think any other, less reputable manager, would have gone by now given the time and resources at hand... Sven is existing because of his name alone.. This is not enough.. I care about LCFC, not Sven
Fox1651 Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 Out. sorry but had enough of inept performances
MC Prussian Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 I know some people think "Sven's been given enough time" but I don't see it like that at all. The most successful managers in the country have been the ones who have been given time to develop, and 12 months is NOT a long time. Look at Ferguson (and before anyone says it, of COURSE I'm not comparing the two, this is just a yardstick) - when he took over at Man Utd, they finished 11th a couple of times and were perilously close to getting relegated at one point. A few years in, and look what happened. I think if we persevere with Sven, things WILL improve. We're still in a decent position, and I honestly believe Mills will make a difference when he returns from his ban. The biggest hindrance is the fact that the owners have given out a goal by wanting to reach the Premier League at the end of this season. Personally, I don't think that's realistic given the circumstances that we've changed our starting eleven so drastically within the space of maybe two to three months (off-season plus another month when Beckford arrived). No other team in the Football League or Premier League has seen a similar change (closest would be Derby County). Like you said, bringing in a new manager and instilling a new system with loads of new players takes its time. This "All-In" approach is very risky - I'd rather they'd want to get there step by step. One could say this is a bigger, social issue. We want too much too quickly. We want instant gratification. I see it when the Raksiaksorns speak out, I see it when I'm browsing through this forum and I see it when I listen to the Radio Leicester Phone-Ins on Mondays. I also see it on the pitch when players start not giving a **** after conceding a soft penalty against a team in the relegation zone. The belief that anything will work out just because you believe you simply deserve it. I don't think that's healthy, really. Bringing a team together, essentially starting from scratch is an organic process and I don't see how you can force this via business plan. Business plans can also fail. Patience is a virtue not shared by a lot of Leicester City fans. I do hope the Raksiakorns and the rest of the consortium reconsider their one-year plan and make it into a two-year to three-year plan. I know they're pushing for it this season because of the widening financial gap between Premier League and Championship, but all this can seriously backfire (which I hope it doesn't, of course). In the overall picture of this Mission Top Flight, the expectations are high, sometimes too high. It puts a lot of pressure on the players and the manager. Too much pressure. Coupled with a slightly cocky attitude by some players and fans ("We'll get promoted, we're promotion contenders") this is a dangerous cocktail and one of the reasons, if not the reason why we've done rather mediocre so far. Beware of the day we finish somewhere in the playoff places and don't get promoted. Even though it would signify an improvement over last season, I dread to think of all the hate and moaning we could experience on here and other media outlets then.
Rhysm Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 In for the moment. But that opinion will change pretty quickly if he is unable to find a formation and style, that suits the players he has purchased. He's had time, money, pre-season, and a dozen or so games with this team, everything a manager could wish for. By now we should have a clear idea of our best 11 players, best formation, a sense of direction etc. But I go down there on Saturday and just feel like 11 players have been plonked on the pitch and we're all hoping for the best. We should be beyond that at this stage. It's not a lost cause by any means, so the panic button isn't being pressed yet. And I don't think the owners will either for a while yet. Agree totally with this. West Ham will be interesting to see if he changes anything. It doesn't work to change managers as soon as anything goes wrong but if I was the owners I would be asking him to explain to me why they have so many poor results against weak teams at home and ask what he is going to do about it. If he has no answers maybe he should go, if he does he has to come out and say what he is going to do differently. He reckons it is because of the fitness and he is going to rotate the players more - this seems a long shot to me but lets see.
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