Bugg Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Although I agree with you in the fact sacking managers isnt always the best way, it appears to me you're not a fan of change. He appears to be getting worse tactically and seems unable to motivate. He signed the wrong players without thinking about it. Mould the players to a formation, don't create a formation to suit your masses of central midfielders. If you let him go at the end of the season a) you've wasted a season b) you have to spend more money on players and do the same again. It appears he is past his sell by date now which is why we need a young motivator with footballing knowledge. Solskjaer was a great shout but clark and poyet also fit the bill. If he gets the sack then coyle would be worth a try and maybe even hughes. We now have 3 difficult gamea which could pass us by and leave us adrift of the front runners. Im not confident in svens ability to get us points out of these games, but im sure people will still back him for some unknown reason. Sousa was villified but at least we looked like scoring and fashioned chances with some exciting football, complete opposite now. Fed up of it but Ill support the boys but not mr eriksson. The same could be said when you sack a manager to bring some one else in, he is always going to want his own players and might not get the team settled until the next season which is just as bad as wasting the season but without the cost of paying for the managers compensation. Mark Hughes is an overrated manager who I believe thinks a little too much of himself than his actual ability (When he resigned from Fulham thinking he was guaranteed the Chelsea job) , Solksjaer is and unknown quantity but sounds like a good gamble judging from what more clued up posters have said about his time at Molde. I think that Poyet and Clark would be good additions. I don't think the comparison with Sven and Sousa is fair, under Sousa we looked unfit and the reported rifts within the dressing room are a polar opposite of what is happening with us with the squads togetherness seemingly good (although the last few games haven't been what we expected), I see no players handing in transfer requests, punching the manager etc. I think you are forgetting the last time that we sacked the manager after manager it led to us being in a place we had never ever been to in our footballing history, and on your first point, I am not against change, I just do not think the over reactionary posts after a draw or loss help the side that you claim you will avidly support (but not the manager, how does that even work?) and if anything can damage a clubs stature, the players are not immune from some of the stuff posted on here and I'm sure it can't help them. That said I am furious with the result today and hope we sort it out on Saturday.
Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Out for me. I'm not seeing any signs of tactical astuteness or a convincing style of play emerging. Furthermore we've signed too many ordinary players and are not getting the best from what we have got. Apart from that our basics have not improved at all. We are so poor from free-kicks and corners no-one even gets optimistic any longer. We're not even looking imaginative or dangerous. Our movement too is pathetic. Times in the second half today we needed people driving into the box but didn't have any. And few people showed the determination to make selfless runs off the ball. The idea of playing full-backs as supplementary wingers is naive and the balance of our midfield completely is haywire with Abe a little boy lost and Johnson still obviously unfit.. The folly of Sven's general refusal to use wingers was emphasised today when Dyer took Millwall apart time and again. Unfortunately Sven had taken one of our central strikers off (Beckford) and left us with no-one to feed off the numerous crosses sent into the Millwall box courtesy of Dyer. It wasn't Beckford being taken off upset me - it was not replacing him with a proper striker. Vassell is not a striker. I've not been convinced of Beckford's team ethic and even less so after today. And losing Mills has exposed the fragility of St Leger as the centre-back option when Tunchev seems a much more accomplished player. The consequence of all the above and more is that we're not winning enough matches but worse than that we're not playing well for more than occasional 45-minue spells. There's no obvious philosophy, we're far too cautious, confidence is fragile and our team lacks far too many factors to be convincing. Great post, couldn't agree more. Sven out for all of the above.
tyneside fox Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Keep him for now but I think we need to get someone in to take over the midfield/attacking coach position as IMO Mike Stowell is a good goalie coach but how can you expect a goalkeeper to train midfilders/attackers.
Fox92 Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 I'm not over-reacting and I have been questioning Sven for ages now. The thing is he brought no right winger (we were linked with only Kebe), so Sven has to accomodate all of his central midfielders - bearing in mind Johnson, Wellens, Abe, King and Fernandes are all really the same player which says a lot. Danns and Fernandes are the only two central midfielders with pace, but, I wouldn't have the combination of Johnson and Fernandes as it would be to defensive in my opinion, so I'd have Johnson and Danns. See what I just did there? Pick my two central midfielders. This is what Sven shuld have done, and then brought two wingers (we currently have Dyer who is inconsistant, Gallagher who is about as good as me and forward who can slot in out wide who is Vassell, who would be my first choice left winger). Sven is too negative, like he is afraid of loosing or conceding goals. The midfield is not attacking in any way, and the way we play suggests that Sven is scared of conceding. It's not just him, look at most International managers (such as Mancini who went defensive against Manchester United at home last season). The team doesn't look organised and commited. We lack effort and determination which has to come down to the manager. Sven said on the radio he was unhappy, but, he wouldn't have shown it, he doesn't look that way and the players are off today! I also question who he sold; a very good Championship centre half in Hobbs, he sent Tunchev out on loan who is, in my opinion, better than Bamba and would balance the defence out as he is left sided. And his selection, no plan B. Where is Howard? The only player in the squad that can rough up defences? Its things like this that count towards the big picture. I am seriously questioning Sven now. This time last season, most of you wanted Sousa out. And don't even bother to question who could replace him, because I would take Dave Jones, Billy Davies or even Kenny Jackett, because all of their teams are organised and determined which I do not see with Sven.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 To say that we'll be relegated if Sven goes is nonsense. This is a promotion squad, not a relegation squad. Under the correct stewardship does anybody really think this squad of players is gonna go down? If Sven was sacked tomorrow (which won't happen) I'd be happy enough.. I've simply had enough of watching such an expensively assembled squad turn out the sort of dross they did yesterday. It's inexcusable and we are an embarrassment at the moment How this forum has turned! A few months ago you were vilified for even mentioning a hint of criticism towards Sven... I think that yesterday we were so bad that it has become indefensible.. When this happens it's usually time for a change. There were A LOT of fans leaving early yesterday.
RizLCFC Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 I think we should keep him but he needs to realise that his tactics are pathetic and change them. We need to start playing 4-4-2 with 2 wingers either Dyer, Vassell, Gallagher, Danns or even Schlupp.
accessory Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 To say that we'll be relegated if Sven goes is nonsense. This is a promotion squad, not a relegation squad. Under the correct stewardship does anybody really think this squad of players is gonna go down? If Sven was sacked tomorrow (which won't happen) I'd be happy enough.. I've simply had enough of watching such an expensively assembled squad turn out the sort of dross they did yesterday. It's inexcusable and we are an embarrassment at the moment How this forum has turned! A few months ago you were vilified for even mentioning a hint of criticism towards Sven... I think that yesterday we were so bad that it has become indefensible.. When this happens it's usually time for a change. There were A LOT of fans leaving early yesterday. Yep, and I was one of them.. Still managed 80 minutes more than one of the squad members though.. We're seeing the same process as happened with Adams, Levein, Kelly, Holloway and Sousa. A small minority will slate the manager and be loudly berated by the happy-clappies for doing so, but eventually the majority of the fanbase will accept that the critics were right. I don't want any City manager to fail, but if it becomes clear that he cannot deliver the quality of performances a club of our size should expect, then change is needed. And after yesterday's appalling display - which has been witnessed on a far-too-frequent basis this season - we have reached the point of no return. King Power cannot and will not continue pouring money into a black hole. If they are sincere about wanting Premier League Football they must find a manager can deliver this, instead of trusting in a washed-up has-been who is ill-equipped to deal with demands of a challenging and competitive league.
Outfox the Fox Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 If he'll accept move him upstairs, if he won't pay him off and bring in a younger hungrier manager or hughes I completely agree with that. I'd just add, that IF he 'moves upstairs' we'd also need to get that "younger, hungrier manager" in as First Team Coach / Team Manager - there's a few candidates out there (Chris Powell, Paul Dickov are a couple of examples with City connections - which I think is important).
Fox92 Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Yep, and I was one of them.. Still managed 80 minutes more than one of the squad members though.. We're seeing the same process as happened with Adams, Levein, Kelly, Holloway and Sousa. A small minority will slate the manager and be loudly berated by the happy-clappies for doing so, but eventually the majority of the fanbase will accept that the critics were right. I don't want any City manager to fail, but if it becomes clear that he cannot deliver the quality of performances a club of our size should expect, then change is needed. And after yesterday's appalling display - which has been witnessed on a far-too-frequent basis this season - we have reached the point of no return. King Power cannot and will not continue pouring money into a black hole. If they are sincere about wanting Premier League Football they must find a manager can deliver this, instead of trusting in a washed-up has-been who is ill-equipped to deal with demands of a challenging and competitive league. I agree with that. And, just putting into perspective, how many poor games have we witnessed this season? Reading, Bristol City, Millwall etc. Its not good enough.
accessory Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 I agree with that. And, just putting into perspective, how many poor games have we witnessed this season? Reading, Bristol City, Millwall etc. Its not good enough. And that's just the home games..
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Yep, and I was one of them.. Still managed 80 minutes more than one of the squad members though.. We're seeing the same process as happened with Adams, Levein, Kelly, Holloway and Sousa. A small minority will slate the manager and be loudly berated by the happy-clappies for doing so, but eventually the majority of the fanbase will accept that the critics were right. I don't want any City manager to fail, but if it becomes clear that he cannot deliver the quality of performances a club of our size should expect, then change is needed. And after yesterday's appalling display - which has been witnessed on a far-too-frequent basis this season - we have reached the point of no return. King Power cannot and will not continue pouring money into a black hole. If they are sincere about wanting Premier League Football they must find a manager can deliver this, instead of trusting in a washed-up has-been who is ill-equipped to deal with demands of a challenging and competitive league. Agree 100% however, as I stated yesterday.. The Thais are primarily involved to increase the fanbase in Asia.. This requires, in their opinion at least, a high profile manager and Sven fits that bill It's not about football anymore pal, it's all money driven I'd be surprised if Sven don't see out his contract Funny old world ain't it..
accessory Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 But folk in Asia are not stupid. They can read league tables as well as we can. And they will wonder why we sit in the lower half of the league, below the likes of Peterborough (!), Hull, Derby and Palace. Sooner or later, the penny will drop. The golden celebrity goose which has grown fat during the past twelve months, has proved incapable of delivering anything more than a large pile of poo.
ithuriel Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Originally i had a lot of optimism and faith in Sven and his abilities, this has eroded and now i can say i no longer believe he is the man for this job. I used to defend him saying that he need's time, the team need's time etc., To put it simply, i kept hoping he would prove me right, now i'm hoping he will prove me wrong. It does make you wonder what the owner's are thinking about how thing's are going.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 And to add insult to fookin injury... Hull won again yesterday with fryatt on the scoresheet All in all a bad day for LCFC..
lcfc81 Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Sacking managers repeatedly does not help the club. If we keep on sacking the managers after a loss or a draw then we won't be expecting promotion at all. For me, chopping and changing does not equate to results, having to change playing styles week in, week out will have a detrimental effect on the squad's morale, not to mention that some of the players who came to join Sven will not want to be there once the man they came to play under has been sacked. Keep him in for the duration of the season, and if it proves to be a failure let him go. I completely agree. Consistency is what we have lacked for the last 4 or 5 years. The amount of managerial changes and changes to the playing squad is quite frankly ridiculous. The only way we are ever going to build up some good form is by keeping a settled manager with a settled playing squad. I expected us to be inconsistent at least to Christmas. Where I would hope the consistency would start to develop. The other teams I have been using as a barometer to try and guage progress are Cardiff and Ipswich, both who have had large changes to their playing squads and both who have been inconsistant. IMO Sven should be given till the end of his contract and if we are within touching distance of the playoffs by Christmas I will be happy (ready to push on).
Charl91 Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 I like Sven, but he should have done better with the amount of money. Give him till Christmas, simply because I believe that if we get a new manager at this point, our season will probably be a write off anyway.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 I like Sven, but he should have done better with the amount of money. Give him till Christmas, simply because I believe that if we get a new manager at this point, our season will probably be a write off anyway. I agree give him till Christmas... But why do people keep bleating on about consistency of manager? If we have a good un.. Then yes keep them for as long as possible.. But Sven is proving to be a joke.. Why do you not feel someone could come in, give the players the kick up the arse they need and improve our position? Look at Forest... Absolutely woeful then they bring in a good young manager and they now reside in mid table. Sven has had long enough.. It's clear he has underachieved. If we aren't playing consistently better football by Christmas then for gods sake let's shake it up....
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 I cant see how you can give him until Christmas. Thats too long, say we haev similar form or even worse, we will have a lot of ground to make up on the top teams. A new manager should have the January transfer window, but would need a few weeks before to assess the squad.
bignosher Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Out for me. I feel an issue that hasn't been raised is the lack of encouragement/bollocking from the sidelines or during half time if players are underperforming. It was evident at Birmingham, several lingering shots of our bench showing two stuffed dummies in comparison to an animated Chris Hughton. Paul Gallacher revealed in commentary that Mike Stowell is the one who takes the paint off the wall at half time if necessary. Surely this should come from the man in charge - Fergie being a perfect example. In times when a team needs to man up it requires a vocal no nonsense leader and Sven is obviously not that man.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Have to say im edging towards a new manager, do think we could give Sven until chrimbo though?
Corky Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 And to add insult to fookin injury... Hull won again yesterday with fryatt on the scoresheet All in all a bad day for LCFC.. He's God actually. And I don't know whether he should go, because I've no idea who we'd get in.
The Sven Revolution Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 No worries on taking 2million of a third world country though for 3 games work. Another load of absolute BS! Just read blindly what the SUN says and blurt it out here! I don't mind criticism of Sven - on tactics, our league position, ladies, money grabbing..whatever but atleast get your fuc*kin facts right.. 2 million at Ivory Coast was his contract with bonuses IF HE WON THE WORLD CUP with them, as it turned out they played decent football but finished third in the group of death and was paid only about a fifth of that..basic pay as per his contract.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Another load of absolute BS! Just read blindly what the SUN says and blurt it out here! I don't mind criticism of Sven - on tactics, our league position, ladies, money grabbing..whatever but atleast get your fuc*kin facts right.. 2 million at Ivory Coast was his contract with bonuses IF HE WON THE WORLD CUP with them, as it turned out they played decent football but finished third in the group of death and was paid only about a fifth of that..basic pay as per his contract. Yep... 400 k it was... Not bad for a couple of weeks work hey? Approx 200 k per week to get nowhere in the competition with actually a pretty strong team My heart bleeds for him...
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