Fernandes Gone

[Babylon]

oh so if it was in the paper it must be true.... you usually speak sense babs but kind of contradict yourself here.. saying people shouldnt jump to conclusions but then take one article as gospel..

Errr have you seen the article? It's more than your usual 5 lines of shit from the sun with no quotes. It's fairly long and has many quotes from Fernandes in it. We aren't Man U and he isn't Wayne Rooney, it's rather unlikely the foreign press would decide to fabricate such a story! (quotes and all).

It's not a contradiction. A contradiction would be me saying he definitely wanted to leave and having no evidence to back it up. We have an article that states he wants to leave in his own words, I would say that's fairly strong evidence to suggest people should get off the managers back on this one.

[marbelladave]

During the early part of the season Wellens somehow got picked to play the holding role at the base of the diamond.

God knows how that happened but it did, Wellens over an international ex premier league player.......

Apart from a few games out of position in wide (ish) positions Fernandes had to sit on the bench and watch Wellens consistently fook up in his position, hardly surprising he got the hump and wanted out as soon as.

Quite possibly the best midfield player we have had in nearly a decade and we do not, not even once, give him a game in his proper position, what lunacy is this............?

[The Year Of The Fox]

Why do players who leave this club suddenly become 'useless'?

[LcFc_Smiv]

Sorry but he really wasn't all that, saying that he could have came good if he was given a proper run in the team is a load of rubbish, he had as much chance to fail as anyone else who could or has been given a go. Always thought he was here just for Sven, why else would he have came to us really? All the best for the future, but I'm not so bothered that he is or has gone.

[CountesthorpeFox]

I have to agree with those saying there is a massive over reaction here. I think what Pearson is probably trying to do is form a nucleus of permanent players and by releasing loan players he will be allowing himself more wage budget to play with. Maybe his thinking is that he'd rather have players here who are going to be here for the longer term therefore it is completely in their interest to strive for promotion etc whereas he might question the motivations of players that think they will be gone in the summer. There are many examples of successful loans that have helped teams gaining promotion to counter this though. I suppose you could argue that Pearson was forced to use the loan market before but that was with a smaller capital budget then he will have here, as he did at Hull, he had to utilise the loan market possibly when he probably prefers not too. Look what we did to Naughtons career for him. You could even argue the Yak as well. How much we would love them now ay? (not that Peltier is bad).

I must admit also that there is also some sort of complete misunderstanding here. Apologies if someone has already mentioned this but why are people pointing the finger at Wellens being just a favourite of Pearsons? The stats dont bear that out[/sup]^{. 21 starts and 1 sub appearence in 23 league games. Pearson has been here for 7 league games of which Wellens has started all of them meaning that Sven started Wellens 14 times out of 16 and bought him off the bench once.}

^{The only league game Wellens didnt feature under Sven he was injured (groin injury that forced him off at Boro midweek) for. The 4-0 win against Derby. The midfield that day was Abe,Fernandes,King,Danns.}

^{The idea that Wellens has become a favourite since Pearson returned is completely unfounded. He was before and still is! Im becoming a bit annoyed at how every thread on here is turning into some kind of Wellens hatred thread. Hes not had a great season I know but he is certainly not the only one. Some underperformers seem to be eluded to on this forum. But hey I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.}

[Dan]

Classic Foxestalk, Gelson leaves and it's another Wellens bashing thread.

Lets be honest, it adds up doesn't it, Johnson & Fernandes are clearly not interested in being here anymore. Wellens I'm not defending, he's been shite, but people don't half jump on the bandwagon and forget what he's done before, yes he's off form but to say he's "plain shit" and compare him to "off form King" is pretty harsh, he's been one of our best midfielders over the last couple of years and he shits on some of the crap we've signed in the past. And no, this isn't me saying that he should start v Pompey, because he shouldn't, Abe & Danns for me.

Fernandes is a better player IMO, but if he doesn't want to be here, why waste him there? It's the two I've just mentioned I'm more worried for personally, OUR players who are failing to get in above Wellens/King.

Then again, classic Leicester fan syndrome, slating the manager whilst working with Sven's unbalanced squad, classic.

[Guest Col city fan]

Classic Foxestalk, Gelson leaves and it's another Wellens bashing thread.

Lets be honest, it adds up doesn't it, Johnson & Fernandes are clearly not interested in being here anymore. Wellens I'm not defending, he's been shite, but people don't half jump on the bandwagon and forget what he's done before, yes he's off form but to say he's "plain shit" and compare him to "off form King" is pretty harsh,

he's been one of our best midfielders over the last couple of years and he shits on some of the crap we've signed in the past. And no, this isn't me saying that he should start v Pompey, because he shouldn't, Abe & Danns for me.

Fernandes is a better player IMO, but if he

doesn't want to be here, why waste him there? It's the two I've just mentioned I'm more worried for personally, OUR players who are failing to get in above Wellens/King.

Then again, classic Leicester fan syndrome, slating the manager whilst working with Sven's unbalanced squad, classic.

Spot on Dan.. Hence my irony about how everything is Wellens fault...

Just about every thread, whatever the subject, gets turned back round to Wellens being to blame for something.. This time its for Gelson wanting to leave..

It's so daft it's laughable...

Someone should start a 'fookin wellens' picture thread where he is at fault for all sorts of stuff.

At least that would be funny...

lol

[Babylon]

Why do players who leave this club suddenly become 'useless'?

Why do players not in the starting 11 suddenly become better than they actually are in peoples minds?

We had tonnes of people calling for Dyer to play or for Howard to play when Sven was here. They end up getting their chance and people then realise they aren't all that and turn on them again.

[Babylon]

Spot on Dan.. Hence my irony about how everything is Wellens fault...

Just about every thread, whatever the subject, gets turned back round to Wellens being to blame for something.. This time its for Gelson wanting to leave..

It's so daft it's laughable...

Someone should start a 'fookin wellens' picture thread where he is at fault for all sorts of stuff.

At least that would be funny...

lol

My favourite so far is people saying the fact he has the odd Monday off to recover (now he's knocking on a bit) is suspicious, that it somehow proves he's in control of the club and gets his own way, and that Pearson is scared of him.

Completely missing the fact in the same mercury article is said Konchesky was also now getting some Mondays off to recover... But that's ok because he's playing well I suppose!

[Guest Col city fan]

Why do players not in the starting 11 suddenly become better than they actually are in peoples minds?

We had tonnes of people calling for Dyer to play or for Howard to play when Sven was here. They end up getting their chance and people then realise they aren't all that and turn on them again.

Very true... As I said in another thread.. Some people have very short memories

[The Year Of The Fox]

Why do players not in the starting 11 suddenly become better than they actually are in peoples minds?

We had tonnes of people calling for Dyer to play or for Howard to play when Sven was here. They end up getting their chance and people then realise they aren't all that and turn on them again.

That's just us shitty fans. They've to me actually justified being recalled by pearson. (not as a starting player but definitely coming on for the last half hour)

But anyway, in recent times, hobbs, fryatt, waghorn, fernandes (who shouldn't really be said in the same breath as the first three)

I could say many more names. The fact is half of us think we're the be all and end all of football clubs and anyone leaving us is only going downwards.

[volpeazzurro]

I suppose we'll never know why he really went and can only summise, though Udinese are lying about 3rd in Serie A and obviously see some potential in him .

[Babylon]

I suppose we'll never know why he really went and can only summise, though Udinese are lying about 3rd in Serie A and obviously see some potential in him .

This was the original thread a while back about his article. I can't find the extended version I read back then, but it's hard to google in french!! The longer version had more detail and he also took a pop at the club.

In short "I want to leave Leicester, I no longer have a place after Sven left. I'm open to offers. I just want have fun".

[MikeyT]

I like Pearson, and was happy to see him return, but i am now wondering what the bloody, buggery bollocks he's doing.

I've always liked Wellens but Gelson in my opinion, offers considerably more than Wellens in every aspect. Bit baffling really. Must be more to it than we know.

[Babylon]

I like Pearson, and was happy to see him return, but i am now wondering what the bloody, buggery bollocks he's doing.

I've always liked Wellens but Gelson in my opinion, offers considerably more than Wellens in every aspect. Bit baffling really. Must be more to it than we know.

He. Wanted. To. Go... articles published before Pearson arrived said he wanted out and that Udinese wanted him. Coincidence he has now gone to Udinese, or has it been lined up for months?

[sphericalfox]

I like Pearson, and was happy to see him return, but i am now wondering what the bloody, buggery bollocks he's doing.

I've always liked Wellens but Gelson in my opinion, offers considerably more than Wellens in every aspect. Bit baffling really. Must be more to it than we know.

Well I think that's the crux of things really. I guess the summary of annoyance and befuddlement starts with an inconsistant Wellens. Not a rubbish or he was always shite Wellens. People are annoyed that Wellens is off at the minute and everyone needs a fall guy. To be fair if he's deputy captain he does have a lot to answer for.

If Fernandes as we are led to believe was always going to leave after Sven's departure, was willing to prove his fitness to Udinese and/or other suitors then why not put him in place of Wellens until he came around. I understand the logic that that would do no good to the team once Fernandes left, but if Fernandes showed any of the vigour that he did in the that reserve game he might have just made that difference to the squad and we'd have a potentially different points tally regardless if he was gone in January. Deal with his absence then.

Failing all this Pearson persists with a formula that isn't working as it should. Yes he brought on Abe who showed his worth and put a shift in, but he's worried about a lack of leadership (in absence of Mills) on the pitch, he could have given that role to King perhaps, then King might have played better on the pitch. If not King then Schmeichel perhaps? But bygones and points gone, we are where we are.

Fernandes will be gone and others will be sent to Coventry too. Pearson took no prisoners at Hull - who were suffering from huge wages and prima donnas (Bullard) and he sent them on their way.

Whatever the reason Fernandes is going/ gone it's obvious that Pearson is cutting the squad, and will add to the areas needed. However in the meanwhile it doesn't devoid him of balanced criticism.

Those who perhaps place myself in the sven-love camp, and wonder why I'm not giving Nige time, are perhaps only reading what fits their own personal agenda, as I will give Pearson time, but some of his choices have been questionable to say the least. But calling for his head or even saying his head will be on the chopping block is emotive and over-reactionary.

[BNET]

He. Wanted. To. Go... articles published before Pearson arrived said he wanted out and that Udinese wanted him. Coincidence he has now gone to Udinese, or has it been lined up for months?

lt sounds like he only wanted to go because NFP had no intention of giving him a game.

Regarding Wellens, l can't say it enough he is crap and always as been, he's not off form, just a crap player and a good conman. Its like the people made excuses for Taylor saying he was a good coach, well he wasn't, he was a rubbish coach and an even worse manager.

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

lt sounds like he only wanted to go because NFP had no intention of giving him a game.

Regarding Wellens, l can't say it enough he is crap and always as been, he's not off form, just a crap player and a good conman. Its like the people made excuses for Taylor saying he was a good coach, well he wasn't, he was a rubbish coach and an even worse manager.

All the other players must have been dog shite poor last season considering Wellens won player of the season, and the year before he was key in a Play Off team. He isnt playing well but who really is?! To say he has always been poor is just crazy.

[Bettsj2]

Well I think that's the crux of things really. I guess the summary of annoyance and befuddlement starts with an inconsistant Wellens. Not a rubbish or he was always shite Wellens. People are annoyed that Wellens is off at the minute and everyone needs a fall guy. To be fair if he's deputy captain he does have a lot to answer for.

If Fernandes as we are led to believe was always going to leave after Sven's departure, was willing to prove his fitness to Udinese and/or other suitors then why not put him in place of Wellens until he came around. I understand the logic that that would do no good to the team once Fernandes left, but if Fernandes showed any of the vigour that he did in the that reserve game he might have just made that difference to the squad and we'd have a potentially different points tally regardless if he was gone in January. Deal with his absence then.

Failing all this Pearson persists with a formula that isn't working as it should. Yes he brought on Abe who showed his worth and put a shift in, but he's worried about a lack of leadership (in absence of Mills) on the pitch, he could have given that role to King perhaps, then King might have played better on the pitch. If not King then Schmeichel perhaps? But bygones and points gone, we are where we are.

Fernandes will be gone and others will be sent to Coventry too. Pearson took no prisoners at Hull - who were suffering from huge wages and prima donnas (Bullard) and he sent them on their way.

Whatever the reason Fernandes is going/ gone it's obvious that Pearson is cutting the squad, and will add to the areas needed. However in the meanwhile it doesn't devoid him of balanced criticism.

Those who perhaps place myself in the sven-love camp, and wonder why I'm not giving Nige time, are perhaps only reading what fits their own personal agenda, as I will give Pearson time, but some of his choices have been questionable to say the least. But calling for his head or even saying his head will be on the chopping block is emotive and over-reactionary.

In the first few months at Hull, Pearson took quite a bit of critisism from the fans for the way he went about cutting the squad but in the end the results won the crowd over. It will no doubt be the same here. Whilst many fans complain about short term vision from owners when sacking managers, fans are just as guilty when it comes to patience for the shaping of a squad, even if we already know that Pearson WILL do a good job, we want to see it immediately rather than waiting.

I think we all know that the only reason we attracted a player like Fernandes was down to Sven so its no suprise he's leaving now. The Wellens form saga has nothing to do with it.

[Ric Flair]

Massive disappointment, I nearly had to cum in me own gob because of Fernandes and for this? He's a quality player but as soon as Sven left it was obvious his days were numbered. I'm just a bit pissed off that Pearson didn't give him or Johnson a start when the likes of King and Wellens have been garbage in the past 4-5 games. It's made me question Nigel's philosphy with team selection, I thought he was a fair man but he's worse than Sven for favourites. Tomorrow I want Danns and Abe in the centre, give King and Wellens a kick up the fooking arse!

[Fox92]

Massive disappointment, I nearly had to cum in me own gob because of Fernandes and for this? He's a quality player but as soon as Sven left it was obvious his days were numbered. I'm just a bit pissed off that Pearson didn't give him or Johnson a start when the likes of King and Wellens have been garbage in the past 4-5 games. It's made me question Nigel's philosphy with team selection, I thought he was a fair man but he's worse than Sven for favourites. Tomorrow I want Danns and Abe in the centre, give King and Wellens a kick up the fooking arse!

This is something that I am annoyed with as well. When Pearson come in he said everyone will have their own chance, but he has just reverted to, generally, players who were here when he was here. I think players like Gelson, Johnson, Danns etc are all worthy to show themselves at the minute, especially with us looking quite poor, and they have had limited playing time. Fernandes, 20 minutes at Hull? 10 men, he looked decent, but it isn't enough to show anything.

[bluearmyfox23]

I really would of thought that Fernandes would be a NP kind of player, a player that works for a whole 90 minutes? There was only 1 part of his game that I thought needed improving and that was to stop giving away silly fouls away around the box. But still it's a shame he's gone and I hope he does well at udinese!!

[Happy Fox]

dannzy1 neil danns

Wishing gelson Fernandez all the best for the rest of the season , top lad , top player

[MikeyT]

He. Wanted. To. Go... articles published before Pearson arrived said he wanted out and that Udinese wanted him. Coincidence he has now gone to Udinese, or has it been lined up for months?

Okay. Thank. You. I never saw those articles.

[Babylon]

lt sounds like he only wanted to go because NFP had no intention of giving him a game.

Funny because his comments about wanting to leave were made before Pearson even became manager.

I honestly cannot believe people continue to blame Pearson for not playing him, when he had publically stated he wanted to leave.

People can say that it's only a paper report and you can't believe that. Well the article mentioned Udinese being interested months ago... Lucky guess I presume.