Babylon Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 he will never get rid of wellens and gally he loves them. Did Sven love them? He had a whole summer to replace them and still ended up playing them. Lets stop with this BS that Pearson has somehow done something different to what Sven was in playing those two. The only player to come in from the cold is Dyer, and that's because we want to play 4-4-2. We'll get more wingers in the Summer.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Did Sven love them? He had a whole summer to replace them and still ended up playing them. Lets stop with this BS that Pearson has somehow done something different to what Sven was in playing those two. The only player to come in from the cold is Dyer, and that's because we want to play 4-4-2. We'll get more wingers in the Summer. Assuming the Thais do not get trigger happy before then. They must be incredibly frustrated and embarrased at the moment. The coverage on Nnal Thai television constantly disappoints. In a society where honor is a big part of the culture, will they give him time?
Babylon Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Assuming the Thais do not get trigger happy before then. They must be incredibly frustrated and embarrased at the moment. The coverage on Nnal Thai television constantly disappoints. In a society where honor is a big part of the culture, will they give him time? Depends if they are complete and utter idiots or not. He's had three months, Sven had over a year. Why would they give him anything less than that unless we capitulated? They took a long time to appoint NP, and I presume they did their homework on what kind of manager he is. He's a team builder. They knew that when they signed him, and you have to assume that's the sort of manager they wanted. He's not a quick fix and he does everything for the long term, young and hungry players with a bit of quality about them. They need time to grow. If they liked the look of what he was doing at Hull, then you also have to presume that they know how things started off there (badly). But gradually things started to change, he got his own men in and their results started to improve.
surrifox Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Might be the excuse Pearson has been looking for to drop Mills. that thought occurred to me
ibbosuk Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 It is obvious he is under pressure he is hoping we get into the playoffs to save his job. He should be worried about his job imo, as we were 9th 3 points off the play off's when he was appointed manager and openly stated that he had been brought in because results were not good enough. Now we are 12th and 9 points off a play off spot. Personally I think a play off spot this season is the minimum requirement for him to keep his job. I would not be at all surprised to see Warnock here if he fails to make the top 6, as now seems very likely..
Happy Fox Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 He should be worried about his job imo, as we were 9th 3 points off the play off's when he was appointed manager and openly stated that he had been brought in because results were not good enough. Now we are 12th and 9 points off a play off spot. Personally I think a play off spot this season is the minimum requirement for him to keep his job. I would not be at all surprised to see Warnock here if he fails to make the top 6, as now seems very likely.. Dependent on the owners patience, I said it before NP is a long-term option and it would take at least 2 seasons then promotion but if the owners want promotion sooner rather than later they may look at Warnock or McCarthy type figure to deliver that it is up to them really.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 He should be worried about his job imo, as we were 9th 3 points off the play off's when he was appointed manager and openly stated that he had been brought in because results were not good enough. Now we are 12th and 9 points off a play off spot. Personally I think a play off spot this season is the minimum requirement for him to keep his job. I would not be at all surprised to see Warnock here if he fails to make the top 6, as now seems very likely.. Actually we were 13th when Sven was sacked, effectively 14th as birmingham had 3 games in hand already on us. Why would they get rid of Sven and not even give the replacement a summer?
accessory Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Did Sven love them? He had a whole summer to replace them and still ended up playing them. Lets stop with this BS that Pearson has somehow done something different to what Sven was in playing those two. Wellens and Gallagher contributed to Sven's demise almost as much as they do to the club's wage bill. It's not rocket science to work out their continued presence in the side ensures continual mediocrity and inconsistency.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Wellens and Gallagher contributed to Sven's demise almost as much as they do to the club's wage bill. It's not rocket science to work out their continued presence in the side ensures continual mediocrity and inconsistency. And yet those two and Dyer are the only Leicester players who have played in a consistant City side in recent years.
cc_star Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 ] And yet those two and Dyer are the only Leicester players who have played in a consistant City side in recent years. Bingo
cc_star Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Actually we were 13th when Sven was sacked, effectively 14th as birmingham had 3 games in hand already on us. Why would they get rid of Sven and not even give the replacement a summer? Sven's points per game were mid-table Pearson's points per game are mid-table Somehow Sven is being thought of as the silver bullet, that could make the difference. Baffling.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Somehow Sven is being thought of as the silver bullet, that could make the difference. Baffling. We'd be one place better off with his PPG ratio!!!!
easilee Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Personally, I think NP might have made it clear to the owners when he signed that there is a chance we won't get promoted and would have made provisions for it. I just don't think he will be sacked even though our season is pretty much over. In regards to the 'serious repercussions'. It was obviously directed at the players.
accessory Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 And yet those two and Dyer are the only Leicester players who have played in a consistant City side in recent years. And were the weak links then, too...
Babylon Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 And were the weak links then, too... Come off it.
cc_star Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 I hate those players who got in the play-offs. These under/non-achieving, johnny come lately, mid-table maestros are my true heroes No, I'm not blind to the fact, they need to do better every game, not just every other game... but c'mon
Happy Fox Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 I hate those players who got in the play-offs. These under/non-achieving, johnny come lately, mid-table maestros are my true heroes No, I'm not blind to the fact, they need to do better every game, not just every other game... but c'mon I am with you here's to mid table mediocrity the Leicester City way
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Depends if they are complete and utter idiots or not. He's had three months, Sven had over a year. Why would they give him anything less than that unless we capitulated? They took a long time to appoint NP, and I presume they did their homework on what kind of manager he is. He's a team builder. They knew that when they signed him, and you have to assume that's the sort of manager they wanted. He's not a quick fix and he does everything for the long term, young and hungry players with a bit of quality about them. They need time to grow. If they liked the look of what he was doing at Hull, then you also have to presume that they know how things started off there (badly). But gradually things started to change, he got his own men in and their results started to improve. Let's hope that is the case. The last thing the club needs is more upheaval in changing the manager again. As it is there will most probably be a revolving door policy with players at the end of the season. I can see at least 7 or 8 playets moving on again. What worries me the most about Pearson is his seeming inabilty to handle the bigger more established names in the squad. It is something he will need to overcome or we are always going to struggle to get to the top of this division.
Bryn Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 What are we supposed to do for the next 15 games just accept the shite mediocre performances and hope that it will get better? ...yes! That's exactly what you do! You put your faith and patience with a manager who has proven he knows how to steer this club to good fortune, who's proven he can make significant changes to arrest a club in descent (Carlisle, Southampton) and build a side worthy of mounting a promotion charge if given the time to do it (Leicester, Hull). Look at Leicester's recent history. Dross for almost a decade. New chairman in Mandaric, some slightly better players but terrible administration - relegated. He took the same players that got relegated bar a few additions and drove them up the league back into the Championship playoffs. Doing that requires a bit of momentum; the players were still full of confidence from their promotion campaign and felt unbeatable, and this took a side that was nowhere near good enough for promotion from the Championship and almost does the double. Then he finds his position untenable. He leaves. The same players are shifted from Sousa to Sven and lose their confidence. They see expensive replacements come in and underperform. Sven is given millions to spend and builds an imbalanced and spineless side with no direction, with the manager powerless to intercede. Sven is sacked. The old Pearson players are left wondering if they'll ever get a go in the side again, Sven's players are left disillusioned, and the squad still has no balance because there's been no transfer window to address it. So Pearson returns, momentarily appears to galvanise the side by his presence, but the squad clearly has deep-running issues. January is frustrating. It seems clear to me he's operating under (relative) financial constraints, whether they're imposed by the Thais or by himself is unclear but frankly, it's for the best. You can't fix our problems by throwing money around, and January is a poor time to buy anyway. But he still brings in a few players of promise. I know it's not what we hoped for, we all wanted strikers, wingers and swashbuckling midfielders to pour into the club but it's just not realistic. Even despite all this, we've seen displays of genuine quality, and we have had an encouraging cup run. Things really aren't that bad. Yes, with our expenditure and ambition we've underachieved, but the damage this season has been done. Pearson needs a proper pre-season, he needs to overhaul the squad. In a proper world, it would be accepted that this takes time. I personally believe Pearson requires and deserves two full seasons. Look at QPR, it took them ages to go up! Most clubs that go up do. His Hull side are blossoming now. Give it some ****ing time. You'd think we were circling the drain. We're a good side with some inconsistencies and some questionable characters, it all needs thrashing out but that can't happen in half a season, and if we continue to shift from manager to manager nothing will ever right itself.
Happy Fox Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 ...yes! That's exactly what you do! You put your faith and patience with a manager who has proven he knows how to steer this club to good fortune, who's proven he can make significant changes to arrest a club in descent (Carlisle, Southampton) and build a side worthy of mounting a promotion charge if given the time to do it (Leicester, Hull). Look at Leicester's recent history. Dross for almost a decade. New chairman in Mandaric, some slightly better players but terrible administration - relegated. He took the same players that got relegated bar a few additions and drove them up the league back into the Championship playoffs. Doing that requires a bit of momentum; the players were still full of confidence from their promotion campaign and felt unbeatable, and this took a side that was nowhere near good enough for promotion from the Championship and almost does the double. Then he finds his position untenable. He leaves. The same players are shifted from Sousa to Sven and lose their confidence. They see expensive replacements come in and underperform. Sven is given millions to spend and builds an imbalanced and spineless side with no direction, with the manager powerless to intercede. Sven is sacked. The old Pearson players are left wondering if they'll ever get a go in the side again, Sven's players are left disillusioned, and the squad still has no balance because there's been no transfer window to address it. So Pearson returns, momentarily appears to galvanise the side by his presence, but the squad clearly has deep-running issues. January is frustrating. It seems clear to me he's operating under (relative) financial constraints, whether they're imposed by the Thais or by himself is unclear but frankly, it's for the best. You can't fix our problems by throwing money around, and January is a poor time to buy anyway. But he still brings in a few players of promise. I know it's not what we hoped for, we all wanted strikers, wingers and swashbuckling midfielders to pour into the club but it's just not realistic. Even despite all this, we've seen displays of genuine quality, and we have had an encouraging cup run. Things really aren't that bad. Yes, with our expenditure and ambition we've underachieved, but the damage this season has been done. Pearson needs a proper pre-season, he needs to overhaul the squad. In a proper world, it would be accepted that this takes time. I personally believe Pearson requires and deserves two full seasons. Look at QPR, it took them ages to go up! Most clubs that go up do. His Hull side are blossoming now. Give it some ****ing time. You'd think we were circling the drain. We're a good side with some inconsistencies and some questionable characters, it all needs thrashing out but that can't happen in half a season, and if we continue to shift from manager to manager nothing will ever right itself. I am totally in agreeance with you , the season is a right off, lets just bed in the new signings and hope the summer is better than last year in terms of player acquisitions and fundamentally getting rid of the deadwood.
Greg2607 Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Ultimately, Sven bought a load of players to fit a given system (it appears he was hoping to play more of a premier league style 4-3-3) that formation didn't seem to work for us, either through a lack of talent in the team or through the formation not being robust enough for the "hurly burly" of the championship. Either way, Pearson had to come in and change things. And to do this, he reverted to a style of football that has served him well. Unfortunately, the players on the playing staff didn;t neccesarily suit this formation. The squad was unabalanced. It is going to take time to resolve this and PEARSON'S signings so far look to be pretty good business. I haven't seen a player with as much potential as Drinkwater at City for quite some years. IF he is the shape of things to come, then eventually, consistency will come, with players who are hungry, and success should follow. At the end of the day, we dont wan't to be the chelsea of the championship, getting rid of managers every season and blindly hoping that one of them will take us to the promised land. For me, get a sensible PLAN in place, work to that plan over a period of time, and be confident enough to stick to it, even if the results don't come as quickly as the fans hoped. Now I realise that this is a ridiculous comparison, but Barcelona do a very similar thing. ALL of the teams within their club play the same formation, the same style and teach the same "footballing philosophy". That way, when players are ready to step into the first team, they already know their job. I dont see why we couldn't adopt a similar mentality at Leicester. Not in terms of a barcelona style of football, but in having a consistent structure throughout the club. Longevity and consistency will breed better success.
pSinatra Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 ...yes! That's exactly what you do! You put your faith and patience with a manager who has proven he knows how to steer this club to good fortune, who's proven he can make significant changes to arrest a club in descent (Carlisle, Southampton) and build a side worthy of mounting a promotion charge if given the time to do it (Leicester, Hull). Look at Leicester's recent history. Dross for almost a decade. New chairman in Mandaric, some slightly better players but terrible administration - relegated. He took the same players that got relegated bar a few additions and drove them up the league back into the Championship playoffs. Doing that requires a bit of momentum; the players were still full of confidence from their promotion campaign and felt unbeatable, and this took a side that was nowhere near good enough for promotion from the Championship and almost does the double. Then he finds his position untenable. He leaves. The same players are shifted from Sousa to Sven and lose their confidence. They see expensive replacements come in and underperform. Sven is given millions to spend and builds an imbalanced and spineless side with no direction, with the manager powerless to intercede. Sven is sacked. The old Pearson players are left wondering if they'll ever get a go in the side again, Sven's players are left disillusioned, and the squad still has no balance because there's been no transfer window to address it. So Pearson returns, momentarily appears to galvanise the side by his presence, but the squad clearly has deep-running issues. January is frustrating. It seems clear to me he's operating under (relative) financial constraints, whether they're imposed by the Thais or by himself is unclear but frankly, it's for the best. You can't fix our problems by throwing money around, and January is a poor time to buy anyway. But he still brings in a few players of promise. I know it's not what we hoped for, we all wanted strikers, wingers and swashbuckling midfielders to pour into the club but it's just not realistic. Even despite all this, we've seen displays of genuine quality, and we have had an encouraging cup run. Things really aren't that bad. Yes, with our expenditure and ambition we've underachieved, but the damage this season has been done. Pearson needs a proper pre-season, he needs to overhaul the squad. In a proper world, it would be accepted that this takes time. I personally believe Pearson requires and deserves two full seasons. Look at QPR, it took them ages to go up! Most clubs that go up do. His Hull side are blossoming now. Give it some ****ing time. You'd think we were circling the drain. We're a good side with some inconsistencies and some questionable characters, it all needs thrashing out but that can't happen in half a season, and if we continue to shift from manager to manager nothing will ever right itself. Well said. It was always my understanding that it was going to be a gradual process.......no quick fixes. I would take what we have now over the boom & bust of Sven. Maybe it isn't what we would all have hoped for, but I believe we will be better placed for promotion next season. We may not make the play-offs this season, but the remainder of the season is important & should not be written off.
Happy Fox Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 Well said. It was always my understanding that it was going to be a gradual process.......no quick fixes. I would take what we have now over the boom & bust of Sven. Maybe it isn't what we would all have hoped for, but I believe we will be better placed for promotion next season. We may not make the play-offs this season, but the remainder of the season is important & should not be written off. You well may be right http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17018425#asset
stourbridgefox Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 The problem with being patient and reasonable is it takes mental strength to overcome the primal urge to throw your teddy out of the pram.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2012 Posted 15 February 2012 You well may be right http://www.bbc.co.uk.../17018425#asset Decent little interview.
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