Why do we expect instant success?

[LCFC_Peter]

Yes we have spent about 15 mill in the transfer window but you look at most successful clubs like man u or arsenal it took them 2, 3 or 4 seasons with a new manager before they started coming within the top 3 so I think we should keep NP for at least another season as we need the stability. Discuss

[Cecchini1976]

Man utd and Arsenal have always been big clubs.

I understand your point, but when you spend big you need to win. Its a results game and that's all that counts

[Fox92]

Yeah I agree with what you're saying. It's just that when you spend the money and get "quality" players, the expect comes along.

[flowwolf]

It's a simple equation the owners came up with the money and the backing and the subsequent managers and players have not come up with the goods. Something has got to give and I hope it's not the owners.

[buzzdove]

Houston we have a problem, if any 1 or more players lack the desire and correct attitude to achieve the desired result the money spent is irrelevant.

Each player picked as a choice how to respond to their ability, from what I have seen we are carrying 3-4 players who are not fully committed to the cause.

Nigel needs to play the player with the most desire, not the biggest salary

[HEGGSY]

A summer of big signings, expectation, being made favourites to walk the league ect. I'll admit I was caught up in it all, I believed we'd be in the PL next season without even breaking a sweat, I was delusional, as well as many others. But I should have known better. Leicester City, do it the easy way...

[FrankieADZ]

Sorry, but money does equal success. £15 million yeah..its alot but you have to look at the price tags on the players we brought....some well over the odds.

I think NP needs to get rid of some of the dead weight that was brought in my Sven 'n a like and remodel the squad on a sensible budget with talented players with hunger and something to prove...kinda like what is currently happening at Reading.

Personally I'd be more concerned if I was a West Ham fan...they've spent a hell of alot more than us and a few premiership teams...they need to go up this season or it could be sh*t street.

[purpleronnie]

I didn't...is my answer.

[1964FOX]

Because we live in a society that wants everything now and money is usually the key to get it. We have no patience anymore and expect everything instantly.

[Electricity Sports 1960]

What worries me is the amount of money / debt involved. QPR spent over £51m and they are near relegation. They bought players like Barton & Wright-Phillips and several others on Premiership salaries. City will have to do something similar next season just to get into the Premiership. That's lots of money. Will the owners pay that much? Incidentally we hear nothing from t

He owners or others like the CEO about financial matters. OK it's their business but loyal fans should be made aware.

[Karljohn]

Because we live in a society that wants everything now and money is usually the key to get it. We have no patience anymore and expect everything instantly.

Exactly, we see it on TV fuelled by programmes like the X factor, deluded people who think they can be famous and earn bucketloads of cash in 15 minutes, some people dont work because £6.50 takes an hour to earn, id argue that 25 years ago you woudlnt get the same obsession about being in the top flight, materialistic society now where cars, gadgets, mansions mean more to players than fans and a love of the game. Thai's just want the worldwide exposure that the premier league gives, and I fear that sometime soon they will wake up and realise that they could have channelled 50m+ into something that would have given them an instant return, for me, they have shown that even multi millionaires can be incredibly naive with a business model.

[Corky]

I don't think anyone expected instant success (running away with the league etc), just that we'd be higher than 12th in early April and not lower than our position at this stage last season.

[Raw Dykes]

What worries me is the amount of money / debt involved. QPR spent over £51m and they are near relegation. They bought players like Barton & Wright-Phillips and several others on Premiership salaries. City will have to do something similar next season just to get into the Premiership. That's lots of money. Will the owners pay that much? Incidentally we hear nothing from t

He owners or others like the CEO about financial matters. OK it's their business but loyal fans should be made aware.

Why follow the QPR model and not the Norwich or Swansea one? QPR spent a lot more than Norwich or Swansea, and yet they're the only promoted side who are in danger of relegation. There's a similar trend this year. The top two are Southampton and Reading, who have spent less than 3rd placed West Ham.

Why do you think we have to sign big names to get promoted? Surely, if we've learnt anything from the last couple of seasons, it's that big name players don't matter, and are more often than not a hindrance in this division. To get out of this division, you have to build a team. This is more difficult than just throwing money around at big names, but at the same time, it's also a lot cheaper. NP is a team-builder type of manager, and I'm sure that's why he was brought back. Team building takes time, and I hope the owners realise this. If NP gets sacked before he's had a summer transfer window to sort the squad out, I'll lose all faith in the owners.

[fox ache]

A summer of big signings, expectation, being made favourites to walk the league ect. I'll admit I was caught up in it all, I believed we'd be in the PL next season without even breaking a sweat, I was delusional, as well as many others. But I should have known better. Leicester City, do it the easy way...

TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH

[Charl91]

It's not the instant success which is the problem.

It's the fact that there hasn't been any signs of improvement, which tends to imply that there wont be any success, instant or otherwise.

[Jace]

I don't think anyone expected instant success (running away with the league etc), just that we'd be higher than 12th in early April and not lower than our position at this stage last season.

I thought we were going to win the league...

[seenitall]

Houston we have a problem, if any 1 or more players lack the desire and correct attitude to achieve the desired result the money spent is irrelevant.

Each player picked as a choice how to respond to their ability, from what I have seen we are carrying 3-4 players who are not fully committed to the cause.

Nigel needs to play the player with the most desire, not the biggest salary

Conjecture and absolute drivel to boot - all players play for their wages first and their manager second that's ALL players. Managers job is to motivate them and get them to play together - that's what he does (or is supposed to do)

[ozleicester]

I want this answered NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cc_star]

Conjecture and absolute drivel to boot - all players play for their wages first and their manager second that's ALL players. Managers job is to motivate them and get them to play together - that's what he does (or is supposed to do)

What if 2 managers with very different skillsets, find the players collectively have an insufficient attitude and some of them just aren't capable of playing together despite about 8 or 9 months of coaching from these 2 manager's who are themselves talented in different ways.

At what point do the players shoulder the responsibility for their failure to carry out manager's instructions & coaching?

I'm not talking about individuals where people have a wap at Gally one week & Beckford the next, I'm talking collectively.

[seenitall]

Ten years since anything good happened to the club - is that instant???

[seenitall]

What if 2 supposedly managers with very different skillsets, find the players collectively have an insufficient attitude and some of them just aren't capable of playing together despite about 8 or 9 months of coaching from these 2 manager's who are themselves talented in different ways.

At what point do the players shoulder the responsibility for their failure to carry out manager's instructions & coaching?

I'm not talking about individuals where people have a wap at Gally one week & Beckford the next, I'm talking collectively.

But they are capable of playing together - they are inconsistent and that comes down to keeping them motivated and that is the managers job

[cc_star]

But they are capable of playing together - they are inconsistent and that comes down to keeping them motivated and that is the managers job

At some point there is a responsibility to do your job

When I had a boss, they'd coach me in the job, develop me to be better at it, provide motivation so I can do it well and go above and beyond.... but there is a line where I had the personal responsibility to put a shift in and just get the feck on with it.

2 managers, both are talented in different ways, both have very different skillsets, one knows about world football and has experience of managing top players, one has great experience of the level we're at - both haven't been able to get these players to live up to their billing. At some point this is the player's responsibility collectively.

[Happy Fox]

At some point there is a responsibility to do your job

When I had a boss, they'd coach me in the job, develop me to be better at it, provide motivation so I can do it well and go above and beyond.... but there is a line where I had the personal responsibility to put a shift in and just get the feck on with it

2 managers, both are talented in different ways, both have very different skillsets, one knows about world football and has experience of managing top players, one has great experience of the level we're at - both haven't been able to get these players to live up to their billing. At some point this is collectively the players responsibility.

But you cannot go round sacking players can you?, managers are always culpable it is the name of the game.

[cc_star]

But you cannot go round sacking players can you?, managers are always culpable it is the name of the game.

Didn't say we should, it was a question between fans of the club... not a boardroom discussion

[Karljohn]

Our best chance was 2 years ago against Cardiff, we had that same momentum that has carried Norwich, Saints and Brighton up from league 1 and into the automatic places or play offs. With the big name signings we became the so called "lesser teams" cup finals, its interesting to see that weve taken 6 points of the likely champions of this league and yet our form against the bottom 6. .

Doncaster away lost 1-2 - home ?

Portsmouth drew both 1-1

Millwall home lost 0-3 - away ?

Coventry 1-0 and 2-0 wins

Forest 2-2 and 0-0

Bristol City 1-2 and 2-3 defeats

So as it stands just 10 points from a possible 30 against the bottom 6, proof that the championships battlers like a match up with the big time charlies.