EnglishOxide Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Stupid idea. Is there even any demand for it? In this situation, you probably won't notice the effect on atmosphere, but if it succeeds then it could do in future. Fans are quite content mingling outside the stadium, they don't have to be inside the stadium together where people are watching the game. What is the purpose?
Guest Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 But nobody has answered the original question of: If Donny haven't sold out their allocation, then why would families want to buy a ticket in our end and sit with our supporters? It doesn't make sense! I am not against it if there was some logical reasoning behind it. Er, have they not? The club is spending money on making the family stand more accessible to families; allowing entry to the Megastore during the game, for example. I know some of you can't see it, but there are families out there who don't want to stand and sing, especially those with young kids. I wish people would read threads before commenting... What really gets me about this is, everything under the sun that is an attempt to help the atmosphere is a health and safety issue. Yet when there is something that may actually cause a health and safety concern but won't help the atmosphere, they've got no problem with it. Health and safety concern? In the family stand? Seriously? You seriously expect it to kick off in the family stand? Oh my giddy aunt.
unreachable Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 I think it is a bad idea to allow stroppy away 17 year olds in the Family Stand - it's a recipe for disaster.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Health and safety concern? In the family stand? Seriously? You seriously expect it to kick off in the family stand? Oh my giddy aunt. Not such a laughable concern in a thread where people are free to suggest why this might not work I wouldn't have said. 'The Family Stand' doesn't mean a lot, I saw some guy get a right kicking against Forest, probably the worst I've seen inside a football ground. There have been a few others over the years as well whenever opposition fans have been identified. The name of a stand doesn't necessarily dictate the characters that choose to sit there, you should know that from the Kop having connotations of being the most vocal area of the ground yet clearly not being at the KP. I know that with this being Doncaster in all likelihood the chances of trouble are slimmer than a Forest or Leeds match say, but there are still some 'characters' that chose to position themselves in that stand to be as close as possible to the away end without having to have a season ticket (in L1). I don't think there will be too much of a problem but it's certainly not a point that deserves to be laughed off as you have attempted.
Guest Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Not such a laughable concern in a thread where people are free to suggest why this might not work I wouldn't have said. 'The Family Stand' doesn't mean a lot, I saw some guy get a right kicking against Forest, probably the worst I've seen inside a football ground. There have been a few others over the years as well whenever opposition fans have been identified. The name of a stand doesn't necessarily dictate the characters that choose to sit there, you should know that from the Kop having connotations of being the most vocal area of the ground yet clearly not being at the KP. I know that with this being Doncaster in all likelihood the chances of trouble are slimmer than a Forest or Leeds match say, but there are still some 'characters' that chose to position themselves in that stand to be as close as possible to the away end without having to have a season ticket (in L1). I don't think there will be too much of a problem but it's certainly not a point that deserves to be laughed off as you have attempted. So your only example is one of the few games where the knuckle draggers make an appearance? You've also chosen to ignore, as have most people replying to this thread, that the family stand is being converted into a family friendly stand for a family friendly experience. If you fancy having your face painted before you ruck, by all means, go for it. They may even give you a balloon as a weapon. Further, anyone who has a go at someone with kids, or even at the kids themselves, deserves to have their head ripped off.
Guest Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Oh, and finally, I forgot to say it's less of an over-reaction than those saying that letting DRFC families into our family stand is the death knoll of football.
unreachable Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 So your only example is one of the few games where the knuckle draggers make an appearance? You've also chosen to ignore, as have most people replying to this thread, that the family stand is being converted into a family friendly stand for a family friendly experience. If you fancy having your face painted before you ruck, by all means, go for it. They may even give you a balloon as a weapon. Further, anyone who has a go at someone with kids, or even at the kids themselves, deserves to have their head ripped off. Can you clarify what you mean by a "kid"? Isn't it anyone under the age of 18, which could be almost an 18 year old adult?
Kitchandro Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Er, have they not? I wish people would read threads before commenting... Health and safety concern? In the family stand? Seriously? You seriously expect it to kick off in the family stand? Oh my giddy aunt. Well, by their standards, why wouldn't it? If a fire is going to start because you take a flag and ripped up pieces of paper in why wouldn't people be murdered when away fans are sitting in the family stand? It's ludicrous logic but it has to be consistently ludicrous surely? Just because it's a 'family stand' doesn't mean there are no human beings in there who are capable of being unreasonable or violent. It's not just kids in there, it's parents, who are adults. And in fact, there are young blokes on here who have said they have moved to the family stand from the Kop. A stand being for families doesn't mean everyone in there is a peaceful person all the while. It's entirely possible, not probable, that something could kick off. If it's a health and saftey concern, regardless of how unlikely it is, surely they should be taking that into account, like they do with everything else?
m00nie Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 So your only example is one of the few games where the knuckle draggers make an appearance? You've also chosen to ignore, as have most people replying to this thread, that the family stand is being converted into a family friendly stand for a family friendly experience. If you fancy having your face painted before you ruck, by all means, go for it. They may even give you a balloon as a weapon. Further, anyone who has a go at someone with kids, or even at the kids themselves, deserves to have their head ripped off. ive seen it kick off in there between our own fans.. just because its "family stand" does it mean everyone is one mum one dad and one small child all of whom are not violent.. many times ive seen old men from the bs in there, can you say that now just because they have families that they have no anger still inside them ? emotion and frustration can be high at football so don't have to take much for someone to kick off. having an away fan jumping up and down in your face after a late winning goal could easily set that off for example
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 So your only example is one of the few games where the knuckle draggers make an appearance? You've also chosen to ignore, as have most people replying to this thread, that the family stand is being converted into a family friendly stand for a family friendly experience. If you fancy having your face painted before you ruck, by all means, go for it. They may even give you a balloon as a weapon. Further, anyone who has a go at someone with kids, or even at the kids themselves, deserves to have their head ripped off. What is 'The Family Stand' at the minute then if it's not already there for a family friendly experience?! I wouldn't have said that the experience in there at the minute isn't intended to be family-friendly. Still doesn't stop certain people going in there to be next to the away fans does it?! You seem to be making assertions about exactly which type of person may or may not frequent a stand based upon who it is intended for. But you can't do that because there will always be exceptions to the rules about who is 'meant' to be in each stand. The only near certainty that you can get in a football ground is that you will not get a home fan in the away end, which in many ways is why segregation is a positive thing that can minimise the chances of trouble (not guarantee anything though). Similarly I, and I would assume you, would never have 'a go' at someone with kids. Doesn't mean others wouldn't, each person has his or her own boundaries. All I'm saying is that the point that this could be a safety issue is not so ridiculous. For the record, I'm not massively keen on this idea. I like the segregation at football and the us-against-them atmosphere that it creates. But equally I don't see a problem with it being tried, despite some of the problems it could potentially cause. I wouldn't like to think that this is the way forward for football but that is just personal preference.
Guest Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Can you clarify what you mean by a "kid"? Isn't it anyone under the age of 18, which could be almost an 18 year old adult? From that question, I take it you're inferring that groups of two 17yr olds and two 19yr olds will be taking advantage of the offer to make themselves feel really big and tough. I can see the appeal of sitting in the family stand over sitting with your own fans, and it's just our own fans of that age that wouldn't dream of it... Well, by their standards, why wouldn't it? If a fire is going to start because you take a flag and ripped up pieces of paper in why wouldn't people be murdered when away fans are sitting in the family stand? It's ludicrous logic but it has to be consistently ludicrous surely? Just because it's a 'family stand' doesn't mean there are no human beings in there who are capable of being unreasonable or violent. It's not just kids in there, it's parents, who are adults. And in fact, there are young blokes on here who have said they have moved to the family stand from the Kop. A stand being for families doesn't mean everyone in there is a peaceful person all the while. It's entirely possible, not probable, that something could kick off. If it's a health and saftey concern, regardless of how unlikely it is, surely they should be taking that into account, like they do with everything else? ive seen it kick off in there between our own fans.. just because its "family stand" does it mean everyone is one mum one dad and one small child all of whom are not violent.. many times ive seen old men from the bs in there, can you say that now just because they have families that they have no anger still inside them ? emotion and frustration can be high at football so don't have to take much for someone to kick off. having an away fan jumping up and down in your face after a late winning goal could easily set that off for example How many more times can I post this before someone gets it through their thick skulls.... CITY ARE REDEVELOPING THE FAMILY STAND TO ENCOURAGE FAMILIES TO USE IT, AND NOT KNUCKLE DRAGGING MEATHEADS!!!
Guest Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 What is 'The Family Stand' at the minute then if it's not already there for a family friendly experience?! I wouldn't have said that the experience in there at the minute isn't intended to be family-friendly. Still doesn't stop certain people going in there to be next to the away fans does it?! You seem to be making assertions about exactly which type of person may or may not frequent a stand based upon who it is intended for. But you can't do that because there will always be exceptions to the rules about who is 'meant' to be in each stand. The only near certainty that you can get in a football ground is that you will not get a home fan in the away end, which in many ways is why segregation is a positive thing that can minimise the chances of trouble (not guarantee anything though). Similarly I, and I would assume you, would never have 'a go' at someone with kids. Doesn't mean others wouldn't, each person has his or her own boundaries. All I'm saying is that the point that this could be a safety issue is not so ridiculous. For the record, I'm not massively keen on this idea. I like the segregation at football and the us-against-them atmosphere that it creates. But equally I don't see a problem with it being tried, despite some of the problems it could potentially cause. I wouldn't like to think that this is the way forward for football but that is just personal preference. See above.
m00nie Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 From that question, I take it you're inferring that groups of two 17yr olds and two 19yr olds will be taking advantage of the offer to make themselves feel really big and tough. I can see the appeal of sitting in the family stand over sitting with your own fans, and it's just our own fans of that age that wouldn't dream of it... How many more times can I post this before someone gets it through their thick skulls.... CITY ARE REDEVELOPING THE FAMILY STAND TO ENCOURAGE FAMILIES TO USE IT, AND NOT KNUCKLE DRAGGING MEATHEADS!!! So knuckle draggin meatheads can not be part of a FAMILY ???
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 See above. See previous question. Who exaclty is 'The Family Stand' meant to encourage currently? Difference between who you want to go in an area and who might choose to. As also previously said, the club named the South Stand 'The Kop' to encourage those form the old Filbert Street Kop to go there, loads of old-aged women with blankets and flasks decided to frequent it though...
Finnegan Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 At least Ultra achieved something in his life, unlike some sad little troll who spent half a decade whining to be made a mod on an internet forum. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!1111111yesomg. Literally my favourite EVER Foxes Talk post. All kinds of ****ing brilliant on so many levels. 10/10. I'm crying.
Guest Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 So knuckle draggin meatheads can not be part of a FAMILY ??? Don't be so stupid, of course they can. Why they would want to sit in a sanitised area of the ground that actively discourages bad language, standing, etc, is beyond me. See previous question. Who exaclty is 'The Family Stand' meant to encourage currently? Difference between who you want to go in an area and who might choose to. As also previously said, the club named the South Stand 'The Kop' to encourage those form the old Filbert Street Kop to go there, loads of old-aged women with blankets and flasks decided to frequent it though... Do I really need to answer those questions, or are you being deliberately thick? Free tickets for under 8s in the Family Stand - now what does that suggest to you about the type of families the club are trying to encourage into the North Stand? Were you around when we moved from Filbert Street? The Kop end of the KP didn't just take in those fans from the Spion Kop; it also took in those fans who wanted to sit in the Double Decker. This is why so many older people are at the back, and this is why they want to sit to watch the game.
m00nie Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Don't be so stupid, of course they can. Why they would want to sit in a sanitised area of the ground that actively discourages bad language, standing, etc, is beyond me. because maybe there not all foul mouthed yobs who like to stand. even more reason why it shouldnt be mixed, maybe they want to go there with there own child and sit quietly and enjoy the game, to have an away fan jumping up and down next to you may not be what they expect and could cause an upset..
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Don't be so stupid, of course they can. Why they would want to sit in a sanitised area of the ground that actively discourages bad language, standing, etc, is beyond me. Do I really need to answer those questions, or are you being deliberately thick? Free tickets for under 8s in the Family Stand - now what does that suggest to you about the type of families the club are trying to encourage into the North Stand? Were you around when we moved from Filbert Street? The Kop end of the KP didn't just take in those fans from the Spion Kop; it also took in those fans who wanted to sit in the Double Decker. This is why so many older people are at the back, and this is why they want to sit to watch the game. Exactly. So the point is that the club can try to encourage a certain type of supporter into a certain area of the stadium but it can't actually regulate who goes in there! So (back to the original point you were laughing off) it could well be a safety concern having this area, therefore not something to be laughed off. We got there in the end...
Daggers Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 At least Ultra achieved something in his life, unlike some sad little troll who spent half a decade whining to be made a mod on an internet forum. Why are you referring to yourself in the third person, Colin? And how is displaying your cock to children 'achieving' something in life? Had you always wanted to show off your chubby little member? And how is Webbo a troll when he's one of the nicest blokes on the forum? Unlike you, a sad lonely individual, who was booted out of office by his own party for being an embarrassment and who has his time here hiding behind multiple identities, threatening law suits and generally being a total cvnt.
HEGGSY Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Why are you referring to yourself in the third person, Colin? And how is displaying your cock to children 'achieving' something in life? Had you always wanted to show off your chubby little member? And how is Webbo a troll when he's one of the nicest blokes on the forum? Unlike you, a sad lonely individual, who was booted out of office by his own party for being an embarrassment and who has his time here hiding behind multiple identities, threatening law suits and generally being a total cvnt.
unreachable Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 I don't understand why the offer to Doncaster fans was not limited to "kids" say under 12 instead of those under 18. That would have been less controversial and more in tune with the family theme. No doubt Lisa will elucidate.
dave the caveman Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Wow, what a horrible development. The intentional destruction of any fan-led atmoshere at games has already driven me away from attending. This will surely be the last straw for many more. It's a potentially ruinous move for football. What on earth are they thinking?
Guest Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 because maybe there not all foul mouthed yobs who like to stand. even more reason why it shouldnt be mixed, maybe they want to go there with there own child and sit quietly and enjoy the game, to have an away fan jumping up and down next to you may not be what they expect and could cause an upset.. *deep breath* It's not aimed at the jumping around sort of fan. Exactly. So the point is that the club can try to encourage a certain type of supporter into a certain area of the stadium but it can't actually regulate who goes in there! So (back to the original point you were laughing off) it could well be a safety concern having this area, therefore not something to be laughed off. We got there in the end... Got where, exactly? If you think a few Donny fans in the family stand is that concerning, perhaps you should raise them with the Safety Advisory Group. They'll have to revoke the certificate for Saturday's game due to the potential trouble this will cause. I don't understand why the offer to Doncaster fans was not limited to "kids" say under 12 instead of those under 18. That would have been less controversial and more in tune with the family theme. No doubt Lisa will elucidate. Sadly, I can't. This offer/scheme really ought to have been discussed at the last FCC.
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