Doncaster Fans offered Family Tickets in a mixed area

[m00nie]

*deep breath*

It's not aimed at the jumping around sort of fan.

whats with all the *deep breath* big letters etc.

so are there going to be conditions on the tickets? like celebrating fans need not apply as i dont see that advertised anywhere

or are you assuming there the only people who will target these tickets, even though financially it could be more benefical to away fans, ( 2 adult and 2 child if bought seperate would cost more than £25 i guess)

[Guest]

whats with all the *deep breath* big letters etc.

so are there going to be conditions on the tickets? like celebrating fans need not apply as i dont see that advertised anywhere

or are you assuming there the only people who will target these tickets, even though financially it could be more benefical to away fans, ( 2 adult and 2 child if bought seperate would cost more than £25 i guess)

It's called "exasperation".

Would you, I assume you're a young fella, sit in the opposition family stand/enclosure, even if it saved you money?

Especially knowing that apart from a bit of scarf waving, there's likely to be next to no atmosphere?

Me personally, I'd rather pay money and sit with my own fans.

Now the people a scheme like this is aimed at are families with young children. I'm guessing, and as there's been no consultation it has to be an educated guess, that they've taken into account families where there are two kids with a huge age gap.

It's a family stand, and at the end of the day, anyone who wants to misbehave would be stupid to choose that stand. Their fans will have to put up with our scarf waving "we love you" and possible goal scoring celebrations, and I have faith that anyone who purchases seats in our North Stand has the sense to understand this is a possibility, and will not react in the "wrong way".

Had City said to away fans they could sit where they want, or there was a section in the Kop, I would understand the concerns. But it's not as if the North Stand is a hotbed of seething passion, generating any atmosphere. It's as intimidating as a chocolate pistol in the desert.

[James.]

At least Ultra achieved something in his life, unlike some sad little troll who spent half a decade whining to be made a mod on an internet forum.

This is genuinely amazing. If I could I would rep the shit out of it.

[m00nie]

It's called "exasperation".

Would you, I assume you're a young fella, sit in the opposition family stand/enclosure, even if it saved you money?

Especially knowing that apart from a bit of scarf waving, there's likely to be next to no atmosphere?

Me personally, I'd rather pay money and sit with my own fans.

Now the people a scheme like this is aimed at are families with young children. I'm guessing, and as there's been no consultation it has to be an educated guess, that they've taken into account families where there are two kids with a huge age gap.

It's a family stand, and at the end of the day, anyone who wants to misbehave would be stupid to choose that stand. Their fans will have to put up with our scarf waving "we love you" and possible goal scoring celebrations, and I have faith that anyone who purchases seats in our North Stand has the sense to understand this is a possibility, and will not react in the "wrong way".

Had City said to away fans they could sit where they want, or there was a section in the Kop, I would understand the concerns. But it's not as if the North Stand is a hotbed of seething passion, generating any atmosphere. It's as intimidating as a chocolate pistol in the desert.

young fella, not really, im an old man/ middle aged depending on which of my children you asked.

would i want to sit in the opposition family stand end, no i wouldnt, but then again im against this idea of having mixed fans, and regards the atmosphere i thought these fans targeted were fans not interested in jumping up and down etc so it wouldnt bother them.

were not talking about people going there to deliberately cause trouble either, but when the emotions run high who knows what can happen. there fans may not react to ours, as you say they may have chose to sit there knowing we could be singing and dancing, but what about the other way around, what if they score and they jump up and down.

the family stand may not be as vocal as the kop or L1 but there are still plenty passionate people in there and also people who used to go toe to toe with the hardest hooligans all round the country so dont be fooled by the word "family"

as people have pointed out its not like there going to sell out, so why didnt they offer this deal to the front of there own end with normal tickets further back.

[Daggers]

Leese, I feel pity for you being dragged into that "discussion", I really do.

I have pills which, when mixed with wine, can offer you instant comfort and relaxation. I go toe to toe with the hardest drug/alcohol combinations on the planet - don't be fooled by my intelligent looks & comments.

[Finnegan]

Leese, I feel pity for you being dragged into that "discussion", I really do.

I have pills which, when mixed with wine, can offer you instant comfort and relaxation. I go toe to toe with the hardest drug/alcohol combinations on the planet - don't be fooled by my intelligent looks & comments.

Yeah but are you banging seven gram rocks?

'Cos that's how I roll.

[RonnieTodger]

I'm against the idea, but as long as it doesn't catch on, I honestly couldn't give a shit. Let's face it, these are dead rubbers now and there'll be a maximum of 500 Donny fans and they just sit down anyway. As for trouble, do people think the troublemakers will buy a family ticket or be in the away end?

I do agree, regarding it turning into rugby though. Even football does have this segregation issue. I watched a video of England v Portugal at Euro 2004 and two fans sat next to eachother were Portugal and England and after Vassell (of all people), missed his penalty, the Portugal fan jumped in the air and went mad. He had every right to, but I wouldn't want to sit next to a celebrating fan and it's that, that deters me from sitting in stands for other sports.

However, I'm in the Kop so this won't matter to me on a personal level.

[Guest]

Leese, I feel pity for you being dragged into that "discussion", I really do.

I have pills which, when mixed with wine, can offer you instant comfort and relaxation. I go toe to toe with the hardest drug/alcohol combinations on the planet - don't be fooled by my intelligent looks & comments.

Thanks, I think I might take you up on the offer. It's as if logic has gone out of fashion.

[1964FOX]

I can understand the ergument given by some as there are some people in the family stand who were fighters back in the day. If we get refused a penalty and Doncaster get the ball and go to the other end and score and three Donny fans jump up celebrating then this potentially could wind some people up. It certainly would me if I were in there with my wife and son. Potentially this could cause a nasty confrontation and possibly lead to a fight as tempers flare and people act unreasonably whilst passionate.

The reality of this happening is very small as all the factorscwould need to come together including those who have the potential to do this being sat near each other.

The club are clearly taking an educated risk looking at all the potential factors. The more likely scenario is that the kids will sing 'nice' chants against each other raising there enjoyment of the game making them want to come to future matches with there parents and establishing them as future regularly attending fans. Both clubs win and of course we ensure next generations L1 attends. It will also encourage me to be able to take my grandiose if I ever have any to matches so mor future fans, the long term circle begins and the club reps the rewards financially. Our owners are not millionaires by mistake they know when to take a calculated risk for their five, ten and more years plans.

I am sure it will be a success andin the very unlikely scenario there's any trouble they just won't do it again.

[m00nie]

I can understand the ergument given by some as there are some people in the family stand who were fighters back in the day. If we get refused a penalty and Doncaster get the ball and go to the other end and score and three Donny fans jump up celebrating then this potentially could wind some people up. It certainly would me if I were in there with my wife and son. Potentially this could cause a nasty confrontation and possibly lead to a fight as tempers flare and people act unreasonably whilst passionate.

so i wasnt speaking some foreign language after all...

[coolhandfox]

What will cause the death of the game across all the leagues, ignoring perhaps the real draws (Arsenal, Tottenham, United) is the fact that both prices and the average age of fans are going up alarmingly. An adult ticket for a match in J3 cost £25 in 2006, it now costs £38, thats over 50% in 6 years, anyones pay increased by that amount? The crowds at Leicester are going down year on year and the prices are going up, thats not good. Putting some away families in with the home families might not do anything to stop this but it may just encourage a few more young people to care enough about their clubs to come along to matches on their own when they are older. It may even encourage more families to go to away matches, which is good for every club in the league. If fans show they can get on with one another clubs may even be able to stand up to their local police forces using them as cash cows by forcing over the top policing and the associated costs on them every other Saturday.

Whats the harm it can do? Its not going to hurt the atmosphere, there isn't any, in fact by having more fans in the family section there's a fair chance it will improve the atmosphere, if only slighgtly. L1 singing for 3 minutes every 15 minutes isn't atmosphere and the rest of the crowd is too depressed by whats happening on the pitch to join in. There hasn't been atmosphere at the Walkers/King Power since the season in the PL.

I would say are crowd average is fair consistant, but all for anything that pulls in more people.

2004/05 23,750

2005/06 22,233

2006/07 23,207

2007/08 23,508

2008/09 23,813

2009/10 23,942

2010/11 23,666

2011/12 23,240

[Daggers]

I can understand the ergument given by some as there are some people in the family stand who were fighters back in the day. If we get refused a penalty and Doncaster get the ball and go to the other end and score and three Donny fans jump up celebrating then this potentially could wind some people up. It certainly would me if I were in there with my wife and son. Potentially this could cause a nasty confrontation and possibly lead to a fight as tempers flare and people act unreasonably whilst passionate.

Then the problem is having twats like that in the stadium, let alone sitting in the Family Stand, if they have such anger management issues.

Football doesn't need them anymore than your son needs to see you acting an arse because some people were singing.

[Dan]

I would say are crowd average is fair consistant, but all for anything that pulls in more people.

2004/05 23,750

2005/06 22,233

2006/07 23,207

2007/08 23,508

2008/09 23,813

2009/10 23,942

2010/11 23,666

2011/12 23,240

No way did we average 23k in L1.

[21st Century Fox]

I can understand the ergument given by some as there are some people in the family stand who were fighters back in the day. If we get refused a penalty and Doncaster get the ball and go to the other end and score and three Donny fans jump up celebrating then this potentially could wind some people up. It certainly would me if I were in there with my wife and son. Potentially this could cause a nasty confrontation and possibly lead to a fight as tempers flare and people act unreasonably whilst passionate.

Then the onus is on you to act like a civil human being and not think that a football stadium is a bubble that's cut off from the rest of society. Your son would probably thank you when he isn't kicking someone's head in in 10 years time.

[armstonfox]

The club is getting worse. Why do we bloody want to sit with away fans? I thought having the family stand was bad but this is worse!

[coolhandfox]

No way did we average 23k in L1.

Doh yep it was 20253 sorry

The club is getting worse. Why do we bloody want to sit with away fans? I thought having the family stand was bad but this is worse!

Why is a family stand bad?

[HEGGSY]

The club is getting worse. Why do we bloody want to sit with away fans? I thought having the family stand was bad but this is worse!

Really? Your being serious?

[MrBojangly]

Not sure why people are getting so upset about this. Isn't integration a good thing? And can't we all just enjoy a football match without it taking on some kind of sinister tribal significance? You're watching a form of entertainment, not going to war. Keep telling yourself this and you won't end up in prison.

[m00nie]

Not sure why people are getting so upset about this. Isn't integration a good thing? And can't we all just enjoy a football match without it taking on some kind of sinister tribal significance? You're watching a form of entertainment, not going to war. Keep telling yourself this and you won't end up in prison.

yea lets just get rid of the home and away ends full stop, we can all sit together and just enjoy the match.. in quiet..

[acooling08]

Not sure why people are getting so upset about this. Isn't integration a good thing? And can't we all just enjoy a football match without it taking on some kind of sinister tribal significance? You're watching a form of entertainment, not going to war. Keep telling yourself this and you won't end up in prison.

**** off and go and watch Rubgy then.

[1964FOX]

Then the onus is on you to act like a civil human being and not think that a football stadium is a bubble that's cut off from the rest of society. Your son would probably thank you when he isn't kicking someone's head in in 10 years time.

I obviously did not make myself clear, I suggested a situation similar to the one I described would wind me up and those predisposed to violence/ aggression may have an unwelcome reaction and cause trouble. Unfortunately there are such people in most parts of the ground and I agree it would be nice if they weren't.

I certainly would not provoke or cause any issues of aggression. I am happy to have banter with away fans and hope that continues but aggressive confrontations are not something I would be involved in unless forced to us my lawful right of reasonable force to defend myself or my family.

Lots of things about modern football wind me up but they have to be dealt with in an intelligent and measured fashion if anything is to change, if you had read my previuos posts you may have realised my thoughts behind this situation and not misunderstood what I ha written.

I do apologise if you mistakenly thought I was encouraging or condoning any form of aggression within a football stadium. My lad by the way is a very quiet lad who would thankfully never kick anyone's head in, it really isn't in his nature.

I don't apologise for having restrained and well meaning passion for my team during the 90 minutes of the football match.

[Guest]

I don't apologise for having restrained and well meaning passion for my team during the 90 minutes of the football match.

This is what gets me about this whole argument (not directed at you, I'm quoting it because it made me think of it).

For many a season, the Family Stand has been criticised for being dull, boring, quiet etc. Yet the minute it's suggested other dull, boring, quiet away fans are allowed to sit there, the area is full of ex-Baby Squad hooligans, itching to relive the glory days of the 80s, and it's a health and safety hazard.

I wish people would make their minds up.

[1964FOX]

This is what gets me about this whole argument (not directed at you, I'm quoting it because it made me think of it).

For many a season, the Family Stand has been criticised for being dull, boring, quiet etc. Yet the minute it's suggested other dull, boring, quiet away fans are allowed to sit there, the area is full of ex-Baby Squad hooligans, itching to relive the glory days of the 80s, and it's a health and safety hazard.

I wish people would make their minds up.

Lisa I couldn't agree more, as I said in an earlier post the chances of anything negative happening ar very small, there are some people who potentially could flare up but it is very unlikely as presumably they are older and wiser and massively outnumbered by quiet fans.

I am quite happy with the idea and agree with the club in their assumption that the chances of it going wrong are massively outweighed by the potential for future changeand profit.

[Guest]

Lisa I couldn't agree more, as I said in an earlier post the chances of anything negative happening ar very small, there are some people who potentially could flare up but it is very unlikely as presumably they are older and wiser and massively outnumbered by quiet fans.

I am quite happy with the idea and agree with the club in their assumption that the chances of it going wrong are massively outweighed by the potential for future changeand profit.

There's been mixed fans in the corporate areas for years. They're also spending a lot to make the Family Stand a real child-friendly experience (I wish the FCC minutes would come out...), so I can see why they're inviting other fans to take advantage of it.

I need those minutes publishing!!

[m00nie]

This is what gets me about this whole argument (not directed at you, I'm quoting it because it made me think of it).

For many a season, the Family Stand has been criticised for being dull, boring, quiet etc. Yet the minute it's suggested other dull, boring, quiet away fans are allowed to sit there, the area is full of ex-Baby Squad hooligans, itching to relive the glory days of the 80s, and it's a health and safety hazard.

I wish people would make their minds up.

funny how you try make the differnce so extreme.. dull and boring to full of ex BS..

when in reality it has its singers in there albeit not l block or the kop but often more vocal than the west stand. and there are some ex members in there. not full and all foaming at the mouth to kick off, they was given as an example of people who could react...