hackneyfox Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 This is all hypothetical though we don't know for sure what will happen this summer, the Thais won't leave or will they? no one knows only the owners do. With regards to NP I cannot be certain that it was the Thais who wanted him it was probably senior board members/advisers who advocated for his return. Which senior members/advisers have a football background? They claimed that NFP was the man they wanted from day one.
Babylon Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Stowell and Wellens? Where on earth does that come from? Hardly a shock being two of the most derided people that they should take the blame though. Goalkeeping coach picks manager, me thinks not. Did they ask his opinion, did the ask the opinion of dozens of people who worked with him, yeah probably. What were they going to say after his last term here?
hackneyfox Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Well I'm not claiming to be ITK to stir things up. And I'm not the one who had the knives out before I ball was even kicked. Do you know mine? You've answered your own question, it's a discussion board. Do you want believe people should believe everything that's written without question? If you want to that's fine, but i've seen enough clap trap from "ITK's" on there to last a lifetime. Nonsense. Many had the knoves out before a ball was even kicked because they hadn't been overly impressed with NFP the first time around.
Out Foxed Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Let him and his team build a squad they are happy with in the summer and see where we are next Christmas. then sack him and we can start this fun ride afresh. repeat x infinity
Babylon Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Many had the knoves out before a ball was even kicked because they hadn't been overly impressed with NFP the first time around. Why did they have the knives out? Why not give the man as much of a chance as the previous man and see what he does. That's exactly what I mean about agendas. It was the same under Sven, people had their minds made up before a ball had been kicked in anger and nothing was ever going to change their minds, everything was negative and anti manager. Player makes a mistake, blame the manager etc etc. Not related you you or bentleys, but it amazes me when you see the same people who slaughtered Sven after a dozen games are calling for Pearson to have more time. It just strikes me as odd, you either believe in giving someone time or you don't. I could understand it if we'd gone backwards under Pearson, but we're the same as we were. I called for both to have time, it's not about liking them or being a "sven bummer" or "Pearson lover". It's about believing that sometimes it can take more than 5 months and a January transfer window to make the changes that are needed to succeed.
Happy Fox Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Which senior members/advisers have a football background? Well it is the owners prerogative to bring in people they think can aid in that situation. They claimed that NFP was the man they wanted from day one. Don't they all say that though? the fact we mooted MON, Lee Clark seems to suggest otherwise.
hackneyfox Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Why did they have the knives out? Why not give the man as much of a chance as the previous man and see what he does. That's exactly what I mean about agendas. It was the same under Sven, people had their minds made up before a ball had been kicked in anger and nothing was ever going to change their minds, everything was negative and anti manager. Player makes a mistake, blame the manager etc etc. Not related you you or bentleys, but it amazes me when you see the same people who slaughtered Sven after a dozen games are calling for Pearson to have more time. It just strikes me as odd, you either believe in giving someone time or you don't. I could understand it if we'd gone backwards under Pearson, but we're the same as we were. I called for both to have time, it's not about liking them or being a "sven bummer" or "Pearson lover". It's about believing that sometimes it can take more than 5 months and a January transfer window to make the changes that are needed to succeed. As far as I was concerned he'd been given a chance previously. I was glad that he'd given us back our pride after relegation but he screwed up in the play-off imo and the fottball is generally turgid. I believe there is more logic in calling for NFPs head after a dozen games than there was for Sven's as we'd seen what NFP was likely to serve up before, for me nothing has changed from when he was here before.
The Snooty Fox Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Sounds fair enough to me give him the summer and next season to see what he can do Deffo - As the team get more use to each other and a couple more additions in the Summer we will see more consistency. Pearson is the right man and the likes of Marshall will see us through.
Babylon Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 As far as I was concerned he'd been given a chance previously. Different club, different budget, different expectations. You can't accuse people of living of his past (as many do) and then judge him on it also. I was glad that he'd given us back our pride after relegation but he screwed up in the play-off imo and the fottball is generally turgid. We lost on Pennos and but for some dodgy officiating may have been at Wembley, I think that's very harsh. It's all down to opinions on style of play but I've never found his football turgid, especially not this time around. It's not been much different to under Sven, when we're good we're good, when we're bad, we're bad. Hull played functional stuff, but their fans admitted that they started to play much better football towards the back end of last year and this season after he was able to make more changes. I believe there is more logic in calling for NFPs head after a dozen games than there was for Sven's as we'd seen what NFP was likely to serve up before, for me nothing has changed from when he was here before. Again, different team etc. We're making judgements on a man forced to play with mostly another mans team. As Davie G points out the board need to take the blame for going with managers who have different philosophies on football. They chose Pearson and need to back him to create the team in the image he wants.
hackneyfox Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Again, different team etc. We're making judgements on a man forced to play with mostly another mans team. As Davie G points out the board need to take the blame for going with managers who have different philosophies on football. They chose Pearson and need to back him to create the team in the image he wants. I certainly agree with that, there was a thread on here or Bentleys the other day about how we should pick a manager to suit the players, not vice versa. That's not something I'd normally agree with but if you're looking for instant promotion then some form of continuity would go some way towards it.
hackneyfox Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 We are missing Danns alot We haven't managed to win 3 on the trot with or without Danns all season.
Raw Dykes Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 We lost on Pennos and but for some dodgy officiating may have been at Wembley, I think that's very harsh. Add to that Wayne Brown single-handedly destroying the dressing room harmony and leaving us short of a key defender, and a strong centre-half partnership, just before the first leg, and I think you could say it's harsher still. There's no foreseeing events such as these. Besides, we'd only just come up from the 3rd tier. The expectation asked of NP must surely have been to consolidate. How many people were expecting another promotion challenge so soon?
Happy Fox Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 It is probably wise that the owners revaluate the situation (are they happy with what is going on at all levels) but it would be nice to know how they are going to achieve those aims etc.
Babylon Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Add to that Wayne Brown single-handedly destroying the dressing room harmony and leaving us short of a key defender, and a strong centre-half partnership, just before the first leg, and I think you could say it's harsher still. There's no foreseeing events such as these. Besides, we'd only just come up from the 3rd tier. The expectation asked of NP must surely have been to consolidate. How many people were expecting another promotion challenge so soon? Indeed, these things are easily forgotten. Slating a man for "blowing" the play offs when we did well to reach them in the first place is harsh, before taking into account the other stuff.
5waller5 Posted 3 April 2012 Posted 3 April 2012 Different club, different budget, different expectations. You can't accuse people of living of his past (as many do) and then judge him on it also. We lost on Pennos and but for some dodgy officiating may have been at Wembley, I think that's very harsh. It's all down to opinions on style of play but I've never found his football turgid, especially not this time around. It's not been much different to under Sven, when we're good we're good, when we're bad, we're bad. Hull played functional stuff, but their fans admitted that they started to play much better football towards the back end of last year and this season after he was able to make more changes. Again, different team etc. We're making judgements on a man forced to play with mostly another mans team. As Davie G points out the board need to take the blame for going with managers who have different philosophies on football. They chose Pearson and need to back him to create the team in the image he wants. But the same style of football, the same team building approach of getting "hungry young lads" in .... NP is a one trick pony, he shows that with his approach in tactics, team building and communication. I agree entirely that the owners made a massive mistake: a. sacking Sven b. Having noone lined up c. Appointing NP NP is the antithesis to SGE and so the change was always going to take too long .... a bit like Labour / Tory at an election ... alot to change over a long time before your own stamp is achieved. The owners won't have the patience for that change around, and for me, if it does happen and they see what grinding results out looks like they'll lose interest. It's been an awful season that promised more than any other at the start. The height difference from the euphoria and expectation of the Real pre-season game to the poor few games recently couldn't be more marked. It's just such a shame and saddens me.
Babylon Posted 4 April 2012 Posted 4 April 2012 But the same style of football, the same team building approach of getting "hungry young lads" in .... NP is a one trick pony, he shows that with his approach in tactics, team building and communication. The extra budget allows you to get better quality "young and hungry" players, and intersperse that with some quality. And you'd only see whether he does that after a summer window.
Raw Dykes Posted 4 April 2012 Posted 4 April 2012 But the same style of football, the same team building approach of getting "hungry young lads" in .... NP is a one trick pony, he shows that with his approach in tactics, team building and communication. I think you'll find nearly every football manager is a one trick pony. They all have a certain way of doing things. They'll all have a favoured sort of player and a favourite style of play. NP's one trick is building successful teams, which is what we want if we want to get promoted.
5waller5 Posted 4 April 2012 Posted 4 April 2012 I think you'll find nearly every football manager is a one trick pony. They all have a certain way of doing things. They'll all have a favoured sort of player and a favourite style of play. NP's one trick is building successful teams, which is what we want if we want to get promoted. I think it shows the limitations of NP ... he's only managed at lower levels of the English game, and his experience has been that this approach works. So he repeats it. A more experienced worldly manager knows how to use the tools at his disposal and adapts his approach to utilise those existing tools. This is what frustrates me about NP and hiring him in the first place. We knew he'd want a long time to gradually build a solid (but IMHO dull) team of hungry kids, we didn't have a squad built in this mould. It's a shame that either NP couldn't have adapted his approach or we could have hired in someone that would have made a difference with Sven's squad and a few additions.
5waller5 Posted 4 April 2012 Posted 4 April 2012 The extra budget allows you to get better quality "young and hungry" players, and intersperse that with some quality. And you'd only see whether he does that after a summer window. I actually agree that you can only see that after a summer .... I'm not sure I'd have the patience to see that in the owners position, and i'm not sure they will. Whatever happens I'll be as sad as anyone if NP wasn't given a summer .... But I'd understand why as well.
stillwater Posted 4 April 2012 Posted 4 April 2012 Sounds like Gally King and Welles must be fit again Pearsons idea of changing things round will be to bring these three back and maybe start with Howard
Mark_w Posted 4 April 2012 Posted 4 April 2012 Sounds like Gally King and Welles must be fit again Pearsons idea of changing things round will be to bring these three back and maybe start with Howard We've had one central midfielder fit, I ****ing hope he brings back Wellens or King.
5waller5 Posted 4 April 2012 Posted 4 April 2012 We've had one central midfielder fit, I ****ing hope he brings back Wellens or King. I do too ... but without risking an essay in defence of NP (cue Babylon!) and why he couldn't do anything about them leaving, or why he couldn't predict the future about a suspension ... surely we have let one or two too many centre mids go and not got cover in ... even on loan??
LcFc_Smiv Posted 4 April 2012 Posted 4 April 2012 Sounds like Gally King and Welles must be fit again Pearsons idea of changing things round will be to bring these three back and maybe start with Howard After Saturdays performance anyone in our squad deserves a chance in the starting line up, over those who put in that performance at London road.
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