Kitchandro Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 Agreed, but look through that list of teams, they all had a plan b that worked. (Bar Swansea who don't fit into my really good theory). Southampton can, if necessary use Lambert as a target man to go long and hold it up, Norwich had Holt, Newcastle had Andy Carroll, West Brom I can't even remember and Reading have used Jason Roberts if they pretty football has failed them. We have the ever threatening and masterful Steve Howard. Heskey would improve that. The thing about those players is they can all score goals at this level. They wouldn't be in the team otherwise. I don't see Heskey being able to do that. As Corky says, yes an improvement on Howard perhaps but that isn't really a good enough reason. I don't think the lack of a target man has been a big issue this season, I think a total lack of a creative football philosophy has been more crucial (without trying to sound too much like Thracian).
leicester4life Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 I would make love to him. WTF BBQ clearly already did but is just still hung up on it because a) "Big" Emile didn't use Vaseline and b) He didn't call him
Happy Fox Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 We do have a stagnant midfield by creativity standards a Mark Davies type player would be superb the one I can think off who has potential and could blossom in that role is Nick Powell but we aint got a chance of getting him, any suggestions?
ScouseFox Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 The thing about those players is they can all score goals at this level. They wouldn't be in the team otherwise. I don't see Heskey being able to do that. As Corky says, yes an improvement on Howard perhaps but that isn't really a good enough reason. I don't think the lack of a target man has been a big issue this season, I think a total lack of a creative football philosophy has been more crucial (without trying to sound too much like Thracian). Yeah I doubt he'd be our saviour, but if it's a toss up between him and Howard I'd prefer Heskey. Not even necessarily because he'd be loads better, just because he's Heskey. I think that's part of the problem with this thread, a lot of people, like myself are being slightly swayed by their hearts. And again I agree, we've got the likes of Wellens as our "creator in chief", that's why we usually look shit, not our lack of a target man. But occasionally every team simply runs out of ideas and needs a plan B. We haven't had a plan B for quite a while, which isn't good when your plan A is as pathetic as ours has been recently.
Libertine Dream Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 ok how about a vote, heskey or fuller??? As long as there is a neither button. I dont understand this strong target man talk, I'd rather play more football with a creative midfielder than have a target man to feed off. Don't say NP only plays hoofball either, some of his football here first time and at Hull was excellent, quick and flowing moves.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 Somebody on here come up with a viable, better alternative as a target man. I can't think of one. Chris wood? Lucciano Becchio? Ricardo fuller? Ebanks Blake? (ched Evans in 5 years time ) We do have a stagnant midfield by creativity standards a Mark Davies type player would be superb the one I can think off who has potential and could blossom in that role is Nick Powell but we aint got a chance of getting him, any suggestions? Butterfield? Pratley?
I am Rod Hull Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 I would make love to him. WTF BBQ clearly already did but is just still hung up on it because a) "Big" Emile didn't use Vaseline and b) He didn't call him I did make love to him, but only after he fell over a very small ant that was making a beeline for a bit of beetroot that dropped out of my patented *salami, cheese, gravy and beetroot cob. He stuck his arse in the air like he just didn`t care. It would have been rude not to.... (He was down for 10 minutes)
Kitchandro Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 Yeah I doubt he'd be our saviour, but if it's a toss up between him and Howard I'd prefer Heskey. Not even necessarily because he'd be loads better, just because he's Heskey. I think that's part of the problem with this thread, a lot of people, like myself are being slightly swayed by their hearts. And again I agree, we've got the likes of Wellens as our "creator in chief", that's why we usually look shit, not our lack of a target man. But occasionally every team simply runs out of ideas and needs a plan B. We haven't had a plan B for quite a while, which isn't good when your plan A is as pathetic as ours has been recently. Yeh I'd certainly prefer him to Howard (no disrespect to Howard who, like Heskey, I'll always like). I love Heskey as much as anyone, I think he's an absolute hero, but that's part of the reason I don't want him. He was associated with our best years and I don't want him to be associated with what we've had in the last few. I'd love him to come back and prove me wrong but realistically, I can't see him being a success. I'm just not keen on the idea of getting a striker in purely for holding the ball up and winning headers. Like I said, if league one sides like Norwich and Southampton can get strikers who can not only do those things but who also can get a large amount of goals, we should really be aiming for the same.
Guesty Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 Do me a favour. Sousa is not the only manager to try and play good passing football at this level. The fact he was a retard may have been a big factor in his failure. Swansea played nice football. Southampton play nice football. Norwich played nice football. As did Newcastle and West Brom. Even Reading have adopted a much better playing style as time has gone on. And we've also failed this season playing boring, slow, unimaginative and sometimes downright negative football. The best teams in this league play quick football on the floor. We'll never get promoted playing hopeful one-dimensional football. To better teams in this average league is not rocket science, it's not based around the long ball game and target men, it's about pace and creativity, and scoring goals. Heskey wouldn't help us with any of those things. I admit Sousa was a poor example that just fit my argument. The only teams I can think of though that just played purely nice football were Swansea and Blackpool, they are an exception to the rule. All the other teams you mentioned didn't just play nice football, they could on occasions and you saw it in the highlights, but they all had a target man (someone else has already said them so i won't). More importantly they had a quality midfield. We have a shite midfield. So that is the priority for me where I think most money should be spent. If Heskeys free I think hes a good fit. If we could get someone better then good but quality goalscoring target men are hard to find. We need a big target man who can hold up the ball and give our midfield time to join the attack and can keep it so we don't get countered, which is one of our biggest weaknesses, which I think Heskey would do. I don't think in the summer we'll be able to buy enough quality players to play nice football. So I'd rather we built a team that wins even if it means a bit of hoofball now and again. But it doesn't fuss me at all if its nice football or hoofball as long as we win.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 Yes I'd snap him up. He can still give us the out ball we have so sorely missed this season.
I am Rod Hull Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 We need a big target man who can hold up the ball and give our midfield time to join the attack and can keep it so we don't get countered, which is one of our biggest weaknesses, which I think Heskey would do. The only thing that Huskey does now days is fall over, give free kicks away and hospitalise his own team mates... Do I own the only TV in the Midlands?
cosmos Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 Long past it, we need to clear out the crap not get more of it!
Charl91 Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 Not good enough anymore, sad to say. He would be for a mid-table championship, but not one aiming for promotion. He's been one of villas worst players this season, and they're near the bottom of the table.
carlhltid Posted 21 April 2012 Posted 21 April 2012 The only thing that Huskey does now days is fall over, give free kicks away and hospitalise his own team mates... Do I own the only TV in the Midlands? so true
Stand UP... Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Do me a favour. Sousa is not the only manager to try and play good passing football at this level. The fact he was a retard may have been a big factor in his failure. Swansea played nice football. Southampton play nice football. Norwich played nice football. As did Newcastle and West Brom. Even Reading have adopted a much better playing style as time has gone on. And we've also failed this season playing boring, slow, unimaginative and sometimes downright negative football. The best teams in this league play quick football on the floor. We'll never get promoted playing hopeful one-dimensional football. To better teams in this average league is not rocket science, it's not based around the long ball game and target men, it's about pace and creativity, and scoring goals. Heskey wouldn't help us with any of those things. wow, you should be the manager! i have edited this cause i dont want you to get the wrong end of the stick as if i support your cause. Leicester till i die is the cause i support, what about you KIT?
Stand UP... Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 yes as player/manager I cant watch past achievements from youtube clips anymore, they make me to depressed! Edit: in responce to your sig not your comment, appoligies.
Kitchandro Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 I admit Sousa was a poor example that just fit my argument. The only teams I can think of though that just played purely nice football were Swansea and Blackpool, they are an exception to the rule. All the other teams you mentioned didn't just play nice football, they could on occasions and you saw it in the highlights, but they all had a target man (someone else has already said them so i won't). More importantly they had a quality midfield. We have a shite midfield. So that is the priority for me where I think most money should be spent. If Heskeys free I think hes a good fit. If we could get someone better then good but quality goalscoring target men are hard to find. We need a big target man who can hold up the ball and give our midfield time to join the attack and can keep it so we don't get countered, which is one of our biggest weaknesses, which I think Heskey would do. I don't think in the summer we'll be able to buy enough quality players to play nice football. So I'd rather we built a team that wins even if it means a bit of hoofball now and again. But it doesn't fuss me at all if its nice football or hoofball as long as we win. This is the message I was trying to get across really. I'm not against mixing it up a bit, but I don't think target men is a huge priority, and I don't think Heskey is the best we could do. I'm not sure quality goalscoring target men are that hard to find if league one teams can get them. We just need the right scouting and a manager who knows players in this league, which are arguably 2 things we possess. I don't want us to play good football just because it's nice to watch, I also want us to play it because I feel it's the most effective if properly. Of course the most important thing is that we win games, from a professional point of view. It does look like we are a long way from playing quick attacking football at this point, but I honestly don't think it takes an awful lot to achieve it. A lot of it is about the desire to be positive and attempt it as well as having a balanced team and tactics. With one quick out-and-out winger and one creative attacking midfielder I think we could see a huge difference. As it happens we really do need quite a few players over the whole team (at least 2 in midfield and more in defence, as well as adding up front) and if we want to get promotion I don't think we really have any other choice - we'll need to make these additions anyway or forget it. The problem with our signings this season is so few of them have been capable of having the impact that the key players for the promoted teams have had. Were we even to make just 2 signings of high quality and of the right kind in the summer, the improvement would be noticeable.
Walker Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 This is the message I was trying to get across really. I'm not against mixing it up a bit, but I don't think target men is a huge priority, and I don't think Heskey is the best we could do. I'm not sure quality goalscoring target men are that hard to find if league one teams can get them. We just need the right scouting and a manager who knows players in this league, which are arguably 2 things we possess. I don't want us to play good football just because it's nice to watch, I also want us to play it because I feel it's the most effective if properly. Of course the most important thing is that we win games, from a professional point of view. It does look like we are a long way from playing quick attacking football at this point, but I honestly don't think it takes an awful lot to achieve it. A lot of it is about the desire to be positive and attempt it as well as having a balanced team and tactics. With one quick out-and-out winger and one creative attacking midfielder I think we could see a huge difference. As it happens we really do need quite a few players over the whole team (at least 2 in midfield and more in defence, as well as adding up front) and if we want to get promotion I don't think we really have any other choice - we'll need to make these additions anyway or forget it. The problem with our signings this season is so few of them have been capable of having the impact that the key players for the promoted teams have had. Were we even to make just 2 signings of high quality and of the right kind in the summer, the improvement would be noticeable. Ricky Lambert for Southampton? Not seen much of them, but they clearly incorporate him into their style to great effect at this level! I'd absolutely love him back!
paddy Agyemang Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Must still have it if he plays for villa every week
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