StrovolosTiger Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Unless you are "in the know" how do you know all of this? Do you know that none of your players want to leave or do you just assume this? Do you know Bruce has x amount to spend or are you assuming this as well? Or like many are you just believing what your local paper is telling you? This is an unanswerable question. If I tell you I know X, Y and Z, people will simply say I am lying or ask me to prove it, which of course I can't. The bottom line is you either believe what I say or you don't. One thing I will say is that the Barmby sacking came as a bolt from the blue to me and others that are "connected". I don't even think the owners knew they were going to do it much before they actually did it. The Adam Pearson sacking was always going to happen, in my view, ever since he bought one of the local Rugby League clubs. Conflict of interest between to competing local sports clubs.
Dan Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Still can't get my head round why Hull are so bitter towards us yet they signed so many off us. I'm not saying you should sell to us as a thankyou or something like that but your reluctance to do any kind of dealings with us is pretty stupid considering that.
Danno Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Still can't get my head round why Hull are so bitter towards us yet they signed so many off us. I'm not saying you should sell to us as a thankyou or something like that but your reluctance to do any kind of dealings with us is pretty stupid considering that. Say we all loved Sven while he was here, we were in the top 6 and doing well, then suddenly Forest come in for him, he goes and then suddenly he tries to take Nugent Schmeichel and Konchesky with him... quite difficult to explain but I think that's accurate
RizLCFC Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Still can't get my head round why Hull are so bitter towards us yet they signed so many off us. I'm not saying you should sell to us as a thankyou or something like that but your reluctance to do any kind of dealings with us is pretty stupid considering that. The players we sold to Hull, Fryatt; Hobbs; Waghorn (loan) were not in Sven's plans and were pretty much frozen out of the first team by him, that's why it was easy for Nigel to pick them up whilst at Hull, the likes of Stewart, Chester, Koren and them are all key first team players so why should they sell any of them to us?
StrovolosTiger Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Still can't get my head round why Hull are so bitter towards us yet they signed so many off us. I'm not saying you should sell to us as a thankyou or something like that but your reluctance to do any kind of dealings with us is pretty stupid considering that. I really don't think the situation is like that. The reality is that our owners have enough ambition and financial backing to want to get into the Premier League. A team has been brought together that has a degree of quality. They want to add to that team to get promoted. That being the case they do not want to sell the best players. HOWEVER, at the same time they recognise ambition and probably would listen to BIG offers from good Premiership clubs, purely on the basis they would see it as unfair to stand in players way to move up the ladder to a club that was clearly able to offer them career advancement. They will see Leicester City as a rival, a club that can stand in the way of their ambition and therefore they would not be willing to lose key players to such a club. The same would apply if Cardiff cam knocking or Blackpool or Birmingham etc etc. Finally, they felt betrayed by Nigel Pearson walking out and therefore that is a additional reason for not playing the game, but I think the other reasons are far more relevant.
StrovolosTiger Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 The players we sold to Hull, Fryatt; Hobbs; Waghorn (loan) were not in Sven's plans and were pretty much frozen out of the first team by him, that's why it was easy for Nigel to pick them up whilst at Hull, the likes of Stewart, Chester, Koren and them are all key first team players so why should they sell any of them to us? Spot on. You cannot compare you selling us your players with us selling you ours because the situations are very different.
Happy Fox Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 I really don't think the situation is like that. The reality is that our owners have enough ambition and financial backing to want to get into the Premier League. A team has been brought together that has a degree of quality. They want to add to that team to get promoted. That being the case they do not want to sell the best players. HOWEVER, at the same time they recognise ambition and probably would listen to BIG offers from good Premiership clubs, purely on the basis they would see it as unfair to stand in players way to move up the ladder to a club that was clearly able to offer them career advancement. They will see Leicester City as a rival, a club that can stand in the way of their ambition and therefore they would not be willing to lose key players to such a club. The same would apply if Cardiff cam knocking or Blackpool or Birmingham etc etc. Finally, they felt betrayed by Nigel Pearson walking out and therefore that is a additional reason for not playing the game, but I think the other reasons are far more relevant. Bitterness gets you know where I would hazard a guess if we offered the right valuations of the players in question they wouldn't accept.
StrovolosTiger Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Bitterness gets you know where I would hazard a guess if we offered the right valuations of the players in question they wouldn't accept. There is always a tipping point, but that figure would have to be massively over the top. Surely, if Nigel was prepared to go to those ridiculous lengths it would be indicative of his bitterness as well as the Allams. Surely there would be better value elsewhere?
Lambert09 Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Got to agree with ST on his last few posts tbh. I think we are better off sticking to signing players who currently dont play in the championship as we will get ripped off.
Happy Fox Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Got to agree with ST on his last few posts tbh. I think we are better off sticking to signing players who currently dont play in the championship as we will get ripped off. I think Brum and Rangers are two clubs we can exploit to get decent players.
Mark_w Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Got to agree with ST on his last few posts tbh. I think we are better off sticking to signing players who currently dont play in the championship as we will get ripped off. Clubs will always try to get as much as they can for a player no matter what division they are in.
rico Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Clubs will always try to get as much as they can for a player no matter what division they are in. Unless they play for us
RonnieTodger Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 There is always a tipping point, but that figure would have to be massively over the top. Surely, if Nigel was prepared to go to those ridiculous lengths it would be indicative of his bitterness as well as the Allams. Surely there would be better value elsewhere? That's a very good point. It'd reek of desperation.
deep blue Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 There is always a tipping point, but that figure would have to be massively over the top. Surely, if Nigel was prepared to go to those ridiculous lengths it would be indicative of his bitterness as well as the Allams. Surely there would be better value elsewhere? Most of your comments are spot on, but I don't agree with this. I suspect Nigel thinks very highly of Chester, both now and for the future, and would be very keen to bring him on board, not for reasons of bitterness but simply for the future of our club. In another post you say yourself that Chester has potential to be an International; Nigel obviously recognises the same, and would naturally want to have him in his team, and to continue to have a part in his development.
Lambert09 Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Clubs will always try to get as much as they can for a player no matter what division they are in. True, but teams are more reluctant to sell to a rival club. This tends to up the price.
StrovolosTiger Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Most of your comments are spot on, but I don't agree with this. I suspect Nigel thinks very highly of Chester, both now and for the future, and would be very keen to bring him on board, not for reasons of bitterness but simply for the future of our club. In another post you say yourself that Chester has potential to be an International; Nigel obviously recognises the same, and would naturally want to have him in his team, and to continue to have a part in his development. I didn't mean Pearson wanting Chester was a sign of bitterness. I meant that if he paid the ridiculous fee that would no doubt be the tipping point (£8m??? who knows), paying that kind of fee would be indicative of bitterness. You can buy a centre-half good enough to be part of a promotion winning side for a lot less than what would persuade us to part with Chester, so why would you pay that fee when there was no need? Put it another way, you could buy Shackell for £2m. Do you think it is worth it to pay four times that amount for James Chester when the aim is to get out of this division?
Bluetintedspecs Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 Most of your comments are spot on, but I don't agree with this. I suspect Nigel thinks very highly of Chester, both now and for the future, and would be very keen to bring him on board, not for reasons of bitterness but simply for the future of our club. In another post you say yourself that Chester has potential to be an International; Nigel obviously recognises the same, and would naturally want to have him in his team, and to continue to have a part in his development. i agree the stalker from dull has made some very valid points , however the reality is if there is a deal to be done NP will do it in a quiet and professional manner! the outs will obviously dictate what he spends and who he gets and i am confident it will be in the best interest of the club.
Mark_w Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 I didn't mean Pearson wanting Chester was a sign of bitterness. I meant that if he paid the ridiculous fee that would no doubt be the tipping point (£8m??? who knows)
Deucalion Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 If Chester fancies continuing his development under former successful centre-half Pearson, or if he just likes Pearson's management, then that could have a big outcome on whether Hull sell or not. Players are more able to force transfers now than in the past. On saying that, Steve Bruce was a fairly successful centre-half too. One thing which is certainly true is that Foxestalk members desire to buy and Stavrostiger's reluctance to sell will have no bearing on whether this player signs for Leicester or not. The ball is pretty much in Chester's court.
NewburyFox Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 If Chester fancies continuing his development under former successful centre-half Pearson, or if he just likes Pearson's management, then that could have a big outcome on whether Hull sell or not. Players are more able to force transfers now than in the past. On saying that, Steve Bruce was a fairly successful centre-half too. One thing which is certainly true is that Foxestalk members desire to buy and Stavrostiger's reluctance to sell will have no bearing on whether this player signs for Leicester or not. The ball is pretty much in Chester's court. So Pearson was a successful centre-half and Bruce was only fairly successful as a centre-half? As much as I'd like to see Chester here, I really can't see it happening. Bruce and the Allams don't want to sell, Pearson doesn't want to spend loads of money and Chester doesn't seem desperate to come here. Doesn't look good.
Criggers Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 The ball is pretty much in Chester's court. This is so true. He's under contract and Hull have a new manager. By staying put he has nothing to lose. The guy isn't that old so if I was in his situation I would see how it goes under Bruce and chances are if it isn't a successful year he will get a move next summer or in Jan anyway - although not many defenders are signed by anyone in Jan, it's usually goal scorers people are after. He's got nothing to lose by staying at Hull except for a year under the tutelage of Steve Bruce. So unless he has some massive affection for NP I doubt we will see him in a Leicester shirt this year.
StrovolosTiger Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 So Pearson was a successful centre-half and Bruce was only fairly successful as a centre-half? I hardly think which of Nigel Pearson or Steve Bruce was the better centre half (given they both stopped playing when Chessy was 10 years of age) will have any bearing of which club he would rather be at.
Deucalion Posted 12 June 2012 Posted 12 June 2012 I hardly think which of Nigel Pearson or Steve Bruce was the better centre half (given they both stopped playing when Chessy was 10 years of age) will have any bearing of which club he would rather be at. I think it depends on how hands on each manager is on the training ground. Surely having an experienced pro in your position as a manager will help a young player? Chester might have a loyalty to Pearson, like Fryatt and Hobbs appeared to have, or maybe he fancies playing under much decorated Steve Bruce. We don't know. If Chester wants to come and the fee is reasonable, then we should try to sign him. If he doesn't or the fee is unreasonable, then we should move on to other targets. My gut feeling is the latter will be the case, and while fans might want to sign him to get one over Hull due to the shenanigans since Pearson left, I doubt very much this will have a bearing on what Pearson does.
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