Under 25s could lose housing benefit - Cameron

[Guest MattP]

Congratulations.

Toryboy, Daily Mail and Jackanory in the same post. Brilliant, I love the Toryboy insult by the way, we've all seen the sort of people and where they live who use that term.

You can put laughing symbols and brush off every point made how you want but do you seriously believe classrooms need teaching assistants?? Do you really think that the NHS needs thousands upon thousands flooded into it every year?, do you really believe the Public Sector needs as much middle management and admin involved in it as has created? Fact is you dont really care, it's just a bigger stick to beat the Tories with and that's all you want, it's classic socialism, you don't really give a single shit how poor anyone is in this country, you just want to make sure the people you pertain to hate can't be as rich as possible.

Guess number 2 of 20 then? I'll go for you don't work, don't contribute anything into the pot but spend all day telling everyone else how we should spend theirs?

[FoxyPV]

Glad you mentioned schools actually, getting rid of teaching assistants?? Good start, I certainly don't remember having one, the teacher controlled and taught the class, I'm sure that worked??? they didn't need an assitant, they just did the job they were paid to do. Maybe that's too simplistic these days.

Given the cuts in special needs schools and the reduced availability of help for those children with behavioural problems, more children who require greater attention are being put into mainstream education. Teaching assistants are there to help these students on a one to one basis as well as allow the teacher to teach with the rest of the class without having all their time taken up with one student.

[FoxyPV]

My solution though is to scrap money and abolish ownership of land.

Peter Kropotkin

[Guest MattP]

Given the cuts in special needs schools and the reduced availability of help for those children with behavioural problems, more children who require greater attention are being put into mainstream education. Teaching assistants are there to help these students on a one to one basis as well as allow the teacher to teach with the rest of the class without having all their time taken up with one student.

When the idea of employing teaching assistants started to become widespread were their significent cuts to Special Needs classes?

The school I went to had a class for special needs that was taught seperately to make sure the points you make about special help and the rest not being held back were able to happen.

[Daggers]

http://youtu.be/EucJIl0uonE

You really are a total and complete fvcking moron, I'm staggered it's taken me this long to work it out.

[Guest MattP]

You really are a total and complete fvcking moron, I'm staggered it's taken me this long to work it out.

Pleasure.

[Daggers]

When the idea of employing teaching assistants started to become widespread were their significent cuts to Special Needs classes?

The school I went to had a class for special needs that was taught seperately to make sure the points you make about special help and the rest not being held back were able to happen.

They obviously suffered from cut-backs in yours.

[Captain...]

Congratulations.

Toryboy, Daily Mail and Jackanory in the same post. Brilliant, I love the Toryboy insult by the way, we've all seen the sort of people and where they live who use that term.

You can put laughing symbols and brush off every point made how you want but do you seriously believe classrooms need teaching assistants?? Do you really think that the NHS needs thousands upon thousands flooded into it every year?, do you really believe the Public Sector needs as much middle management and admin involved in it as has created? Fact is you dont really care, it's just a bigger stick to beat the Tories with and that's all you want, it's classic socialism, you don't really give a single shit how poor anyone is in this country, you just want to make sure the people you pertain to hate can't be as rich as possible.

Guess number 2 of 20 then? I'll go for you don't work, don't contribute anything into the pot but spend all day telling everyone else how we should spend theirs?

Whether or not you value these as jobs, they are still jobs, and we live under an economic system that requires close to full employment to work, at least by creating lots of public sector jobs they were creating jobs.

The current government do not seem to realise that without drastic changes to the current economic model we need more people in employment and not further cuts and austerity.

This is getting away from the original point about benefits, but it all amounts to the same thing, all these cuts and pulling funding from public services and telling everyone to tighten their belt is having a seriously damaging and detrimental effects to our economy, people aren't spending, they are saving their money out of fear and it is leading to more and more businesses closing down.

This is not the sole fault of the tories, but their current policies are so massively flawed that it just astounds me, and it feels like we are going to need something spectacularly bad to happen to shake them out of it. We are not getting out of this recession:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/recession/9352867/UK-economy-double-dip-recession-squeezes-consumers.html

It is not looking good, and the frustrating thing is so many experts predicted this 2 years ago when they started all this.

[Daggers]

This is not the sole fault of the tories, but their current policies are so massively flawed that it just astounds me, and it feels like we are going to need something spectacularly bad to happen to shake them out of it. We are not getting out of this recession:

http://www.telegraph...-consumers.html

It is not looking good, and the frustrating thing is so many experts predicted this 2 years ago when they started all this.

This. The clueless gimp in Number 11 was warned his and Cummerbund's flawed policies would lead to a double-dip recession and they have.

There again I don't really blame them as it must be hard to form a coherent policy when you are dizzy from the volume of U-turns they perform on a weekly basis.

[Guest MattP]

Whether or not you value these as jobs, they are still jobs, and we live under an economic system that requires close to full employment to work, at least by creating lots of public sector jobs they were creating jobs.

The current government do not seem to realise that without drastic changes to the current economic model we need more people in employment and not further cuts and austerity.

This is getting away from the original point about benefits, but it all amounts to the same thing, all these cuts and pulling funding from public services and telling everyone to tighten their belt is having a seriously damaging and detrimental effects to our economy, people aren't spending, they are saving their money out of fear and it is leading to more and more businesses closing down.

This is not the sole fault of the tories, but their current policies are so massively flawed that it just astounds me, and it feels like we are going to need something spectacularly bad to happen to shake them out of it. We are not getting out of this recession:

http://www.telegraph...-consumers.html

It is not looking good, and the frustrating thing is so many experts predicted this 2 years ago when they started all this.

I've always thought we live under an ecomonic system that relies on the Private Sector to cover around 80-85% (roughly I'd imagine) of the workforce in able to have a enough to maintain a Public Sector that works to it's potential and can be funded by the General public, the trend we have had of the Public Sector increasing and the Private decreasing is always going to lead to a situation of a damanging financial situation, add to that some of the absolutely ridiculous pensions schemes behind promised against taxpayers money and you can end up with a catastrophe.

I think we are just going to have to accept the next few years are going to be very very tough, for all the talk of cuts and austerity in reality it hasnt even started yet, we are still borrowing far far more than we are spending every single day and with the immiment collapse of certain parts and maybe eventually the whole of the Eurozone I really don't think that increasing that borrowing is a realistic option at the minute at a time of such uncertainly.

The only real cock up I've seen of the last couple of years was not forcing the banks in someway to lend a certain percentage of the money out to local businesses they given on the bailout and even that mistake pales into insignificence compared to the bank de-regulation that last Government allowed so they could create a private debt crisis of huge proportion a lot of people are still paying for now that is probably as much to do with the fact people arent spending as many other things.

The so called cuts would be happening now under anyone and the people who seem to think the Lib Dems or Labour would have had some magic pot of beans to stop all this from happening need to get into the real world.

[Captain...]

I've always thought we live under an ecomonic system that relies on the Private Sector to cover around 80-85% (roughly I'd imagine) of the workforce in able to have a enough to maintain a Public Sector that works to it's potential and can be funded by the General public, the trend we have had of the Public Sector increasing and the Private decreasing is always going to lead to a situation of a damanging financial situation, add to that some of the absolutely ridiculous pensions schemes behind promised against taxpayers money and you can end up with a catastrophe.

That is only really if you go by the assumption that the public sector cannot be profitable, unfortunately we sold off all parts of the public sector that could have actually generated profit for the government, and we are just left with the non profit making sectors, such as NHS, police etc.

One of the overlying issues here is that the number of private sector jobs is decreasing, but that was always going to happen with the advances in technology we are making and we should embrace the new technology to make our lives easier, but in doing so we have to find a way to fairly distribute jobs and money among the work force, and by increasing the work force by increasing the retirement age we are just making things worse.

I think we are just going to have to accept the next few years are going to be very very tough, for all the talk of cuts and austerity in reality it hasnt even started yet, we are still borrowing far far more than we are spending every single day and with the immiment collapse of certain parts and maybe eventually the whole of the Eurozone I really don't think that increasing that borrowing is a realistic option at the minute at a time of such uncertainly.

The only real cock up I've seen of the last couple of years was not forcing the banks in someway to lend a certain percentage of the money out to local businesses they given on the bailout and even that mistake pales into insignificence compared to the bank de-regulation that last Government allowed so they could create a private debt crisis of huge proportion a lot of people are still paying for now that is probably as much to do with the fact people arent spending as many other things.

I completely agree there, and about the mess that was made of quantitative easing.

The so called cuts would be happening now under anyone and the people who seem to think the Lib Dems or Labour would have had some magic pot of beans to stop all this from happening need to get into the real world.

I do think Labour would be an improvement on this lot, but I don't think it is what we need, we don't need more of the same tit for tat party politics between the 2 traditional heavyweights. Labour's not working lets try conservatives, that didn't work lets go back to labour, oh that still isn't working, lets try the tories again ad infinitum. I did think that the Lib Dems were a serious contender and if they hadn't jumped into bed with Cameron right now I think they would be sitting very strong in the polls, but as it is they showed themselves to be spineless and untrustworthy, unfortunately because I agreed with a lot of their policies, it's just a shame they didn't.

I honestly think we need a big shake up, a forward thinking party that will look to the future rather than the past and take this country forwards, if not we will be stuck in the same old cycle of labour and Conservative, boom and bust, and not actually get anywhere.

Even as a Conservative supporter Matt you must admit they have made some huge errors in their time in Government.

[Guest]

Shelter have had the funding stopped at one of their offices in Leicester meaning it has closed down. Good timing but hey as long as the rest of us have a roof over our head why worry about it. Nothing to do with us and probably their own fault if more become homeless.

And on a slight tangent to this thread, it'll mean more litigants in person trying to stop their homes from being taken from them by their mortgagees. Brilliant.

[Jon the Hat]

This. The clueless gimp in Number 11 was warned his and Cummerbund's flawed policies would lead to a double-dip recession and they have.

There again I don't really blame them as it must be hard to form a coherent policy when you are dizzy from the volume of U-turns they perform on a weekly basis.

I am sure that the irony of repeating Labour bollocks while professing not to be Labour is not lost on you.

[Guest MattP]

That is only really if you go by the assumption that the public sector cannot be profitable, unfortunately we sold off all parts of the public sector that could have actually generated profit for the government, and we are just left with the non profit making sectors, such as NHS, police etc.

One of the overlying issues here is that the number of private sector jobs is decreasing, but that was always going to happen with the advances in technology we are making and we should embrace the new technology to make our lives easier, but in doing so we have to find a way to fairly distribute jobs and money among the work force, and by increasing the work force by increasing the retirement age we are just making things worse.

I completely agree there, and about the mess that was made of quantitative easing.

I do think Labour would be an improvement on this lot, but I don't think it is what we need, we don't need more of the same tit for tat party politics between the 2 traditional heavyweights. Labour's not working lets try conservatives, that didn't work lets go back to labour, oh that still isn't working, lets try the tories again ad infinitum. I did think that the Lib Dems were a serious contender and if they hadn't jumped into bed with Cameron right now I think they would be sitting very strong in the polls, but as it is they showed themselves to be spineless and untrustworthy, unfortunately because I agreed with a lot of their policies, it's just a shame they didn't.

I honestly think we need a big shake up, a forward thinking party that will look to the future rather than the past and take this country forwards, if not we will be stuck in the same old cycle of labour and Conservative, boom and bust, and not actually get anywhere.

Even as a Conservative supporter Matt you must admit they have made some huge errors in their time in Government.

Of course, governments make tons of decisions every day so a lot will be wrong, I don't think you you will be able ti judge the Tories for another few years when you compare where we are to the rest of Europe and the world.

The Lib Dems were never an option, they have some decent social policies but it would be absolutely impossible for them to try and sit on a soapbox at the minute given they wanted to take us into the Euro, it's almost as if Clegg saw this coming and that's why he's decided to take them out of it while the idea they so wanted to take Britain into collapses.

Maybe we will see the Liberals and UKIP dominate in 30 years time and I actually agree it probably wouldn't be a bad thing.

[Bellend Sebastian]

If it's a choice between just incompetent or evil AND incompetent I'll take just plain old incompetent, thanks very much

[Jon the Hat]

Even as a Conservative supporter Matt you must admit they have made some huge errors in their time in Government.

All governments make cock-ups, they are only human. This is a very difficult time economically, but seriously anyone who listens to a word that comes out of the mouth of Ed Balls on the economy is a cretin. He is more responsible for the current mess than Osbourne.

[Guest MattP]

If it's a choice between just incompetent or evil AND incompetent I'll take just plain old incompetent, thanks very much

Evil?

Which Government are you talking about? The one in now or the one that led the World in massacring 2 million Muslims?

[Captain...]

All governments make cock-ups, they are only human. This is a very difficult time economically, but seriously anyone who listens to a word that comes out of the mouth of Ed Balls on the economy is a cretin. He is more responsible for the current mess than Osbourne.

But that is not an excuse, or a justification, this is what gets me so frustrated when talking about politics, the current government have made a lot of mistakes, some of them very big ones that undermine their very credibility, selling access to Cameron, others just highlight how ignorant and out of touch they are, fill your jerry cans with fuel creating a crisis where there never was one.

To justify it by saying the other lot are worse is not justification at all.

We were coming out of the economic crisis when Osbourne got his hands on it, and despite some of the best economists in the country (of which Osbourne is not one of them) advising against their proposed economic policy, they still went ahead with it. I couldn't give a shit if Ed Balls is the devil incarnate, right now all that bothers me is that the current person we have in charge of our economy/welfare/livelihood is clearly doing an awful job, has been for a few years now and is still being allowed to continue.

[Bellend Sebastian]

Evil?

Which Government are you talking about? The one in now or the one that led the World in massacring 2 million Muslims?

I'll go out on a crazy limb here and guess that that wasn't their motivation and that things didn't pan out as they expected, assuming we're talking about the same war that the Tories backed at the time. Didn't back it myself, like

[Guest MattP]

I'll go out on a crazy limb here and guess that that wasn't their motivation and that things didn't pan out as they expected, assuming we're talking about the same war that the Tories backed at the time. Didn't back it myself, like

That's ok then.

[Bellend Sebastian]

That's ok then.

Apology accepted

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I bet you read that in the Daily Mail, TORYBOY!

[Jon the Hat]

But that is not an excuse, or a justification, this is what gets me so frustrated when talking about politics, the current government have made a lot of mistakes, some of them very big ones that undermine their very credibility, selling access to Cameron, others just highlight how ignorant and out of touch they are, fill your jerry cans with fuel creating a crisis where there never was one.

To justify it by saying the other lot are worse is not justification at all.

We were coming out of the economic crisis when Osbourne got his hands on it, and despite some of the best economists in the country (of which Osbourne is not one of them) advising against their proposed economic policy, they still went ahead with it. I couldn't give a shit if Ed Balls is the devil incarnate, right now all that bothers me is that the current person we have in charge of our economy/welfare/livelihood is clearly doing an awful job, has been for a few years now and is still being allowed to continue.

The only reason half this stuff has come out at all is that the media is trying its best to piss off everyone in politics becuase they are under attack via the Leveson enquiry. If you cannot look past the irrelevant shit then you must find politcs exhausting.

Economists always disagree with something. Lots of them, including for example those at the world bank recognise that the only reason we have not had our credit rating downgraded and are not in the shit with some other countries is becuase the Government showed the political will to make necessary cuts at the right time. It is easy to point at what has happened (double dip) than to consider what might have happened (massive increase in cost of borrowing and consequential larger cuts) when it suits your argument. We will never know, but it would have been a huge gamble to not show the will to make cuts.

[BoneDog]

STAGED FINANCIAL TERROR

This is the third time I've had to point out the truth of the matter in red capitals. It's time to hark!

When the filth (and this is not party politics) have finished stripping away what little wealth the poor have then they will be coming for the middle classes. They've already started on the middle class of course, but they're going to hit us hard sooner rather than later.

You'll be working until you're 70 odd - if somehow you live that long. You'll lose your pensions. The value of your bank balances will diminish. DON'T CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA - sorry about that, I have this habit of breaking into song mid-paragraph. Many of you will be working as slaves, for no wage, for mega-corporations! (the laughs are an impression of the bankers and corporations top mens reactions). You'll get made redundant and you, or somebody else, will then be asked to go and do your old job for free - well, apart from some food stamps GET IN THERE!

Holland & Barrett are already taking on slaves as 25% of their workforce. That's funny, they have the work and need workers, so they must be selling alot of product, but they can't pay the workforce a fair wage, oh no! How the top men and women at the big companies must be rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of future profits increasing due to being allowed to employ slaves.

I'm not sure how people can still blame the world's financial turmoil on the poor and the workers, but strangely they still do - even though the looting and robbing is being done in full view. We're DOOMED and we love it!! We just love taking it again and again. We should start a mass protest in town with placards and chants like, "Is That All You've Got?"....."Come Onnnnn, Screw Us Over Again You Pussies"......."I've got a 24ct Gold Ring In My Bedroom - It's All Yours"......."You're Paying Me Too Much!"......"I Love The Chancellor"........."THANKYOU" etc.

Nothing in life worth having comes easily.

Really?!

What are these things you talk of that are worth having in life?

If you couldnt be bothered to work hard in school, or cant be arsed with gaining skills in adult life to make you employable then you should starve in the street.

You are surely the biggest wonker on FT.

Did you say you are a nurse? I bet you're loving the Liverpool Care Pathway eh? Get rid of 'the useless' and all that. Stop feeding and watering them to finish them off so that you don't have to fork out for their future medication and care.

Bet you can't wait until they start doing it to under 25 benefit claimers and asylum seekers - especially if they have "stone-age beards" as you called them.

Let's hope that when the people have finally had enough of having their wealth stripped away, that your property and valuables aren't the first to be ransacked when the country explodes. We wouldn't want you to have to go and starve in the street eh. That would be awful for your pompous ass.

The Liverpool Care Pathway, or Death Pathway as this senior consultant calls it - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html#ixzz1yHr6vcmr - If there's a thread about this subject can somebody point me to it please?

[Jon the Hat]

El Empty is here! Things are starting to warm up nicely now.