chavdonk Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Leicester fans just don't seem to understand that a striker doeesn't have to run around for the whole game and maybe win a throw in near the corner flag once a game. Everybody slated Yakubu cause all he did was score goals, now everyone is slating Beckford cause he only scores goals in the cup. Beckford will score at least 15 goals next season but everyone seems to prefer Iain Hume he runs around a bit more but will only get 7. And to the guy who said the Nugent/Beckford partnership wasn't working, there was a period of about 6 games in a row last season where only those two scored for us, before Nugent was pushed outwide. Absolutely hit the nail on the head. Why do people prefer the likes of Hume/ Dickov over Yakubu/ Beckford? So bizarre its unreal, if we wanted people who run like **** we'd be an athletics club as it is we're a football club!
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Matt - my argument is that the league and cups are two separate things! Regardless of quality, goals per season stat generally means goals scored in the season. The football season. The season being the league season. League. Beckford is sometimes brilliant, but he could - like the team as a whole - be more consistent. Anyways with a little luck he'll have to try harder next season as Vardy will undoubtedly be trying his hardest to impress Pearson for first-team chances
ARM1968 Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 But he HAS!! 15 goals is not poor considering our team and level of performance. He was 5 goals shy of the forum benchmark of 20. He has already PROVEN he can do it at this level. How come it's so hard to see round those blinkers? In a better, more settled side he is likely to score more. What, 5 more this season and he's suddenly awesome? Again the season will tell its own story as it usually does and we can look back then and reflect. I believe he will 'kick the arse' out of this league this year - hopefully with us.
Babylon Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Absolutely hit the nail on the head. Why do people prefer the likes of Hume/ Dickov over Yakubu/ Beckford? So bizarre its unreal, if we wanted people who run like **** we'd be an athletics club as it is we're a football club! You mean Dickov who scored 17 league goals (20 in total if you include cup) to get us promoted and 12 Premier League goals (13 if you include cup) the following year. The same Dickov we signed for nothing and got paid pretty much a pittance compared to what Beckford is on. I have no idea why people prefer him.
Babylon Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 But he HAS!! 15 goals is not poor considering our team and level of performance. He was 5 goals shy of the forum benchmark of 20. He has already PROVEN he can do it at this level. "This level" is the Championship and he scored in 7 championship games last year. So he's proven nothing at "this level". You telling me you'd be happy if he scored 20 cup goals against any old team and nothing in the league? How come it's so hard to see round those blinkers? In a better, more settled side he is likely to score more. What, 5 more this season and he's suddenly awesome? No he'd suddenly be average because if they were league goals he'd still only have about 14 goals or so. We're talking about a very expensive signing on huge wages here. Average is not good enough for what we are paying him. The highest paid player at our club should be be better than average.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 But he HAS!! 15 goals is not poor considering our team and level of performance. He was 5 goals shy of the forum benchmark of 20. He has already PROVEN he can do it at this level. How come it's so hard to see round those blinkers? In a better, more settled side he is likely to score more. What, 5 more this season and he's suddenly awesome? Again the season will tell its own story as it usually does and we can look back then and reflect. I believe he will 'kick the arse' out of this league this year - hopefully with us. If he scored 20 in all competitions it would be a good return. A great return would be 20 In the league. You can't mention cup goals in a conversation about whether he's good enough "at this level". By it's very nature, a cup competition pits players of different levels against one another. "At this level" he averages a goal every 5 games. There is no tangible evidence to suggest he's anything other than a mediocre championship centre forward.
Daggers Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 What makes you think he won't? Here's where I contradict myself - because from the second or third game there will be a growing collection of cvnts who will think that booing him will encourage him or another player to score prolifically.
sphericalfox Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 People still can't get it through their brains that 'games played' stat and minutes played and goals scored are two different statistics which actually change the ratio of Beckford's shitfactor. When he plays more games this season, is fit, and is provided better balls, he'll score more goals. Not bitty last minute substitutions where fook all can be accomplished.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Not bitty last minute substitutions where fook all can be accomplished. Seriously, how often did that happen? If Beckford didn't get as many minutes as he'd like he's to blame. He got hauled off at half time on four occasions last season.
muzzy1981 Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 If he scores 20 championship league goals then he is proven. Show us what your made of becks!
ARM1968 Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Babylon you're talking babybollocks. But I'll leave it there and we will see.
Babylon Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 People still can't get it through their brains that 'games played' stat and minutes played and goals scored are two different statistics which actually change the ratio of Beckford's shitfactor. When he plays more games this season, is fit, and is provided better balls, he'll score more goals. Not bitty last minute substitutions where fook all can be accomplished. And perhaps you should check back to previous posts where someone already answered you all of this with exact minutes played... and his ratio is still shit. Perhaps you didn't get that post through your brain.
Babylon Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Babylon you're talking babybollocks. But I'll leave it there and we will see. You mean, you don't have a response because I am correct. So instead you will just say I talking shit... nice one. No matter how you swing it, the guy is not proven "at this level" your words.
Babylon Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 If he scored 20 in all competitions it would be a good return. A great return would be 20 In the league. You can't mention cup goals in a conversation about whether he's good enough "at this level". By it's very nature, a cup competition pits players of different levels against one another. "At this level" he averages a goal every 5 games. There is no tangible evidence to suggest he's anything other than a mediocre championship centre forward. You're talking bollocks... apparently.
sphericalfox Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 And perhaps you should check back to previous posts where someone already answered you all of this with exact minutes played... and his ratio is still shit. Perhaps you didn't get that post through your brain. Seems to be you've got a craw in your bonnet Babs. Perhaps it's daily mashing your head against a wall has you reacting to every single post on this forum in a disappointingly aggressive tone, but in my view the numbers used against Beckford don't stack up as on paper they are out of context. I do remember someone producing those minutes, and whilst they were not tremendous, they weren't put in context to the games played, the time on the pitch within games. Yes he got hoisted off at half time in a game, but he was also on occasion sacrificed when we had reckless red cards if I remember too. I'm not arguing that at times he could have had better application when he was on the pitch, and not whinge and bitch, but are you truly suggesting that he can't produce 20 goals given more starts with an improved and settled squad behind him?
Legend fox Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 who scored the most in Lge out of him and fryatt last season and any body know and how much did fryatt go to Dull for?
sphericalfox Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 who scored the most in Lge out of him and fryatt last season and any body know and how much did fryatt go to Dull for? How many of Fryatt's goals were not from open play....say they were penalites for example, as the primary peno taker for Hull? How many of those goals were penos? if in doubt....get the Fryatt out.
ARM1968 Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Babylon - I always have a response. You're talking arse because you say quite definitively that he's not proven at this level. I think that's rubbish. Paint it how you will but he scored 15 goals for us last season. I think that proves he can score. Yes some of those goals came in the cup, against lower and higher level opposition. We were a couple of games from Wembley. If we'd of made it and won the cup I doubt you would be saying Beckfords goals counted for nothing. You appear to have a tambourine to shake and you're shaking it for all your worth. I said I'd leave it there and see. But if you want to carry on I can go all night. Beckford has proved he can score at this level. Only a moron would claim otherwise. He was Everton's top scorer at Prem level. Proven there too I believe. But you don't think, in your opinion, he's cut out for the championship based on a woeful season where the club were pulled from pillar to post. In that evidence NP needs to ship out about another 10 players. Fortunately his views aren't Babylonian and he can see that last season was not exactly illustrative of his playet's true abilities. Again we will see this season. Your opinion of Beckford might be justified, as might mine. You're just plain wrong to say he's unproven though. It's laughable.
Mark_w Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 You're talking arse because you say quite definitively that he's not proven at this level. I think that's rubbish. Paint it how you will but he scored 15 goals for us last season. I think that proves he can score. Yes some of those goals came in the cup, against lower and higher level opposition. We were a couple of games from Wembley. If we'd of made it and won the cup I doubt you would be saying Beckfords goals counted for nothing. They count for nothing when it comes to proving himself at this level, which is what you're debating. Personally I think Beckford could do a decent job, but he hasn't proven himself at this level, and it's people who come out and put insane expectations on him ('I reckon he can score 25 goals this season') when there is no evidence to suggest he's capable of that who are morons. We were saying he'd get 20 goals for us when we signed him, and now people are saying it again, some of our fans are acting like the last 12 months didn't happen when it comes to Beckford. Beckford scored 9 goals in the competition that actually matters this season, personally I'd hope he improves on that because we can do a lot better for a lot less money. (Like 12 goals from Waggy in the one season he played regularly instead of coming off the bench or playing on the wing almost every game). As I say, I hope Beckford can show some real signs of improvement next year but I don't rate him/Nugent as a partnership and I can easily see Vardy/Waghorn getting ahead of him next year.
cambridgefox Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Here's where I contradict myself - because from the second or third game there will be a growing collection of cvnts who will think that booing him will encourage him or another player to score prolifically. Said that loads of times,we must be the thickest cvnts in the league if we think that slagging off OUR players helps.Not just Beckford but others too,then we moan when they play for another club,loved and supported by the fans and score loads of goals.Strange.
NewburyFox Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Babylon - I always have a response. You're talking arse because you say quite definitively that he's not proven at this level. I think that's rubbish. Paint it how you will but he scored 15 goals for us last season. I think that proves he can score. Yes some of those goals came in the cup, against lower and higher level opposition. We were a couple of games from Wembley. If we'd of made it and won the cup I doubt you would be saying Beckfords goals counted for nothing. You appear to have a tambourine to shake and you're shaking it for all your worth. I said I'd leave it there and see. But if you want to carry on I can go all night. Beckford has proved he can score at this level. Only a moron would claim otherwise. He was Everton's top scorer at Prem level. Proven there too I believe. But you don't think, in your opinion, he's cut out for the championship based on a woeful season where the club were pulled from pillar to post. In that evidence NP needs to ship out about another 10 players. Fortunately his views aren't Babylonian and he can see that last season was not exactly illustrative of his playet's true abilities. Again we will see this season. Your opinion of Beckford might be justified, as might mine. You're just plain wrong to say he's unproven though. It's laughable. He scored in 8 games against Championship opposition last season, from 34 starts. So he's scored in roughly a quarter of games against Championship opposition, and that's not including games where he's been subbed on. That, in my eyes, is definitely not proven at this level.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Plenty of love in the room I see.. I do not like or dislike JB but I would want to see a hell of a lot more to be convinced he's the player to match the hype!The few glimpses we saw were encouraging but not earth shattering and definitively not often enough!!!!!!!
ARM1968 Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Wouldn't we want to see a hell of a lot from most of our players by last years standards? We were a struggling side with little consistency. Again Beckford has proved he can score at this level. It is proven. Can he score more? I believe so. None of us have a crystal ball. However I prefer a positive outlook. Others appear happier to write a good player off. Strange.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Wouldn't we want to see a hell of a lot from most of our players by last years standards? We were a struggling side with little consistency. Again Beckford has proved he can score at this level. It is proven. Can he score more? I believe so. None of us have a crystal ball. However I prefer a positive outlook. Others appear happier to write a good player off. Strange. I too am an optimist who hopes JB fulfills his potential.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 July 2012 Posted 9 July 2012 Yes he got hoisted off at half time in a game, but he was also on occasion sacrificed when we had reckless red cards if I remember too. You have a very selective memory. If by "on occasion" you mean on ONE occasion, then yes, he was sacrificed due to a red card for another member of the team. I've already stated that he was not subbed at half-time in "a" game, but 4 times. This, in the words of Rafael Benitez, is a fact. In none of those games had we had a man sent off. Your words deliberately imply the opposite of the truth - his limited time on the pitch was a direct result of his own poor performance, not that of others.
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