Babylon Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 If anyone had been there, they could have got a tackle in, or put WP off his stride. To get a tackle in or put him off his stride they would have needed to be man marking him, unless they have the pace of Usain Bolt. If you are going to flag this up you'd be better off focusing on the player passing it to WP. So ideally we'd need to see another 10 seconds of footage to see how and why he got the ball and where out players were etc.
indierich06 Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Absolutely right! As someone else said, it wasn't until King came on and adopted a defensive position that we looked any better... This isn't Andy King's best role! If playing, King is the man that the ball-winner lays it off to, to spread it around. It's a poor show if we couldn't control the midfield and pick up on scraps until we introduced King in the second half. I really don't understand what you're driving at here. So you don't think King is suited to this role, but you're admitting that he performed well, however you still wouldn't play him there? King came on, we looked infinitely better, we controlled the midfield, we didn't give Charlton a sniff and you're saying that it's 'a poor show' that we have to rely on King to do this? Why can't you just give him credit for what was a very good performance? If that wasn't his 'best role' I'd bloody love to see him play where he feels most comfortable! It's too black and white to say he merely 'adopted a defensive position', he mixed it up with quite a physical Charlton midfield, he broke up play, won challenges, got into space and made good runs, distributed the ball well, got up to score our only goal... He was more or less the catalyst for everything good about our second half performance. Cue the stream of people saying 'oh, but he goes missing, oh, but he gets knocked off the ball all the time' - ask anyone who was actually at the game if that happened on Tuesday night. He has to start on Saturday for me.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 That goal wasn't the result of playing 442 that was a missing midfield, whether it be 3, 4 or 5 defensive midfielder or not anyone there could have slowed him down, pushed him wide or tackled him. It was lapse of concentration by the midfield, seemingly all getting dragged forward in their attempt to play attacking football and score. Anyone there who could have slowed him down, pushed him wide or tackled him. A 'missing midfield', seemingly all getting dragged forward in their attempt to play attacking football and score.
Thracian Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Wright Phillips the striker, was stood right next to Moore the defender who was supposed to be marking him. Are you suggesting we leave a CM on the edge of the 18 yard box at all times to man mark their striker? Moore will learn no end from that, although he wasn't the one who was principally to blame. Moore couldn't have been much tighter to a guy so capable of turning people but if he's going to force a guy away from goal on his stronger foot he needs to be sure to get a little further across. But for all that the Charlton player was allowed free licence to slip his pass to BWP - and that was one of the major weaknesses I referred to in my match comments. The midfield challenger (Beckford?) offered only a gesture and so abdicated all responsibility, piling unnecessary pressure on the central defenders who were soundly positioned. The answer when dealing with individual talents like BWP is to cut the supply and we could have done that but didn't.
fleckneymike Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Anyone there who could have slowed him down, pushed him wide or tackled him. A 'missing midfield', seemingly all getting dragged forward in their attempt to play attacking football and score. http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16489_8010628,00.html Go to 24 seconds, count how many blue shirts you can see.
davieG Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Anyone there who could have slowed him down, pushed him wide or tackled him. A 'missing midfield', seemingly all getting dragged forward in their attempt to play attacking football and score. The point being that even specialist defensive midfielders can get dragged forward they do score goals occasionally so do get near the opposition gaol. Too much emphasis is put on formations and not enough on individual and team performances, our current mistakes are more down to individual inexperience and players not knowing each other well enough.
Happy Fox Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 The signs are encouraging as Thracian alluded to of going all out attacking football as that will yield results away from home. We have the players to do that, and it makes a change from being reserved in our play because playing for a draw which we have done in the past we have come unstuck usually, if we can strike the balance of being strong defensively which will happen when Whitbread and St Ledger come into the reckoning we will win more games away from home imo.
Rocky Dennis Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 http://www.skysports...8010628,00.html Go to 24 seconds, count how many blue shirts you can see. The misses by Nuge,Dyer and Vardy are appaling, inexcusable for professionals. Missed chances will cost us many points this season.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Moore will learn no end from that, although he wasn't the one who was principally to blame. Moore couldn't have been much tighter to a guy so capable of turning people but if he's going to force a guy away from goal on his stronger foot he needs to be sure to get a little further across. But for all that the Charlton player was allowed free licence to slip his pass to BWP - and that was one of the major weaknesses I referred to in my match comments. The midfielder abdicated all responsibility and piled unnecessary pressure on the central defenders who were soundly positioned. The answer when dealing with individual talents like BWP is to cut the supply and we could have done that but didn't. This post puts my argument better than I have obviously done and I fully agree. The defenders were 'soundly positioned'. The midfielders did abdicate their responsibility and put necessary pressure on the defenders. We could/should have either cut the supply to WP OR have someone in that space to stop the player when the ball came. I saw this time and time and time again last season when playing away from home. The opposition midfield cutting us to ribbons by playing through our midfield, thus leaving the various and manifold defences we played completely exposed. I don't think that the defence was poor last season, I never did. I think they weren't sufficiently supported by our midfield. WP's goal shows that again for me.
Thracian Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Anyone there who could have slowed him down, pushed him wide or tackled him. A 'missing midfield', seemingly all getting dragged forward in their attempt to play attacking football and score. Our player in midfield (Beckford?) was there to prevent the final ball but didn't. He made a token gesture. We had two or three players like that as mentioned in my analysis and that's where Pearson needs to look for improvements. Moore was shafted.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Our player in midfield (Beckford?) was there to prevent the final ball but didn't. He made a token gesture. We had two or three players like that as mentioned in my analysis and that's where Pearson needs to look for improvements. Moore was shafted. I wasn't there Thrac, you were. But the vid of the goal says you are spot on. Moore was shafted. I'm well happy, as you are, with the effort and the endeavour when going forward. It looks like we are playing far more attractive, attacking football. But let's get the defending right too. As a team I mean. Not just continually criticising an overly exposed back four. SSL won't 'be the answer' Whitbread won't 'be the answer' Until we support them from just in front of their back line.
Captain... Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Spot on DG... My only surprise is that only you and I appear to see that. Our midfielders were too far forward. Too advanced. We need a player to drop back and fill that space, and be disciplined enough to stay there. Away from home anyway. They were too far forward because we were attacking, we had been attacking for the last 15-20 minutes, we were putting them under lots of pressure to try and score and maybe we were a bit too eager to get forward, but when Charlton hadn't mustered an attack by that point it is understandable, you have to make your pressure count, they hit us on the break, caught us by surprise, it was naive and probably down to inexperience 3 of our midfield 4 are still quite young (21 - 22) and the other is Dyer. But I would much rather see us attack than play like we did after they scored, whether this requires a CDM I don't think so, it just requires a bit more discipline and experience and someone organising the midfield, maybe even Wellens... *ducks for cover*
Guest ttfn Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Other people have probably expressed their dismay better but Moore was marking BWP and Morgan Yann. The ball came from our left flank (not through the middle), on the left was Jermaine Beckford who was covering for someone, someone who'd just failed to cross the ball, again (you can see Lloyd centre screen running back), in the middle were both midfielders. The goal was the fault of Moore, as was the second one but thats understandable as he's an inexperienced RB being asked to cover as LCB. The game was great, we played well and if we continue play like that we'll have an enjoyable season. The first goal came after Marshall gave the ball away in the inside right position. It had nothing to do with Dyer.
fleckneymike Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 The first goal came after Marshall gave the ball away in the inside right position. It had nothing to do with Dyer. Apologies, my misrememberance, though I'm reasonably sure I didn't blame Lloyd in my post. The point still remains that with 8 men behind the ball as the attack builds a DM would have made no difference.
Babylon Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 And the award for most ridiculously over analysed goal of all time goes to.......
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 And the award for most ridiculously over analysed goal of all time goes to....... Well read back through the recent thread. You've had your tuppeneth as much as anyone..
seenitall Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 And the award for most ridiculously over analysed goal of all time goes to....... Nice to see someone analysing it though, would be better if the current management could do it and learn from it though...........
Captain... Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Nice to see someone analysing it though, would be better if the current management could do it and learn from it though........... I doubt it Thomas, they are going to be sitting on their arses all week thinking of how they are going to spend their money.
seenitall Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 I doubt it Thomas, they are going to be sitting on their arses all week thinking of how they are going to spend their money. Thomas? I am sure they will ponder it (Glenn), but pondering and knowing how to solve the problem are two different things
Captain... Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Thomas? I am sure they will ponder it (Glenn), but pondering and knowing how to solve the problem are two different things You must have missed my reply yesterday... Its the sanctimonious blind faith that touches a nerve and the belief that you can only support Leicester City if you toe the line and accept the shite it for what it is. Of course it's blind faith, this is a religion, we have had the second coming, the false prophet, the messiah, Judas, David vs goliath etc. In all of this you are doubting Thomas, just don't ask to see Pearson's holes.
seenitall Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 You must have missed my reply yesterday... Ahhhh, religion eh - sorry, missed that
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 Chillin I'm keeping my cool, but I am sure it will only be a matter of time before that changes. Early day's yet, so let's give N.P. more time to demonstrate just how good he isn't.
indierich06 Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 I'm keeping my cool, but I am sure it will only be a matter of time before that changes. Early day's yet, so let's give N.P. more time to demonstrate just how good he isn't. I'm liking your upbeat attitude.
ealingfox Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 My thoughts Very unlucky to lose that, thought we played well and they scored with their only two good chances. Thought we created enough, will surely not miss them every match, and therefore we will pick up points away. Knocky and King in for Dyer and James please. Sorry Lloyd but you were fvcking woeful on Tues. ALSO: Was very pleased with the full-backs. Hope they can continue in this vein.
Thracian Posted 23 August 2012 Posted 23 August 2012 They were too far forward because we were attacking, we had been attacking for the last 15-20 minutes, we were putting them under lots of pressure to try and score and maybe we were a bit too eager to get forward, but when Charlton hadn't mustered an attack by that point it is understandable, you have to make your pressure count, they hit us on the break, caught us by surprise, it was naive and probably down to inexperience 3 of our midfield 4 are still quite young (21 - 22) and the other is Dyer. But I would much rather see us attack than play like we did after they scored, whether this requires a CDM I don't think so, it just requires a bit more discipline and experience and someone organising the midfield, maybe even Wellens... *ducks for cover* I might argue the opposite - that the back line left too big a gap between the midfield and therefore no chance of recovery. Times I've said we need to move backwards and forwards as a unit. i've always thought it strange that while the Beckfords and Dyers are expected to work back when we've lost the ball, defenders can take a break when we go forward. It's wrong and if our backline had pushed up just a few more yards there wouldn't have been such a big gap between the midfielder involved and Moore in our last line of defence so a) the final ball might have been cut out or b) SWP wouldn't have been able to shoot direct at goal after one simple turning of his marker but would have been obliged to make further ground giving some chance of a recovery tackle or harrassment from a covering defender. In City's defence they may not have closed the gap because they didn't want SWP to get behind them but he did so they were mistaken and they were so deep that just evading the last defender allowed SWP to get a match-winning shot away. To me it makes a case for pulley-style defending rather than a flat line because, with the pulley system, there would always be a fast full-back covering any centre-back and therefore getting behind the centre-back would not necessarily be disastrous. A defensive midfield specialist would provide a different kind of protection - in front of the defence - but it would cost us dearly in forward momentum and goals potential which, to me, is too big a sacrifice, especially when we have King (if fit and well) who is more than capable of covering intelligently in front of the back four and who remains arguably our most accurate finisher.
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