Egging teachers?

[The Year Of The Fox]

How the hell will teachers gain respect off pupils when their parents do that?

Fair play to the head! Nowt wrong with a bit of humiliation. Children should be seen and not heard

[purpleronnie]

How the hell will teachers gain respect off pupils when their parents do that?

Fair play to the head! Nowt wrong with a bit of humiliation. Children should be seen and not heard

moron.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

i have to say that when I was at prep school, and failed to wear the prescribed uniform, we got the cane! It bloody well hurt.

[Nick]

i have to say that when I was at prep school, and failed to wear the prescribed uniform, we got the cane! It bloody well hurt.

I bet it never did you any harm though............

[Webbo]

Tbh there are some pretty shit state schools and the attitude of parents is often a contributing factor. A little bit of discipline wouldn't go amiss, that said a series of hand signals does seem bizarre.

[The Year Of The Fox]

moron.

How will a child ever learn self discipline if they think they dont need wear the correct uniform at a school? Or can't manage to go an hour without a slash?

Rules are rules. Get used to them is what I say. Cos life gets much tougher once you leave school

[purpleronnie]

How will a child ever learn self discipline if they think they dont need wear the correct uniform at a school? Or can't manage to go an hour without a slash?

Rules are rules. Get used to them is what I say. Cos life gets much tougher once you leave school

It was the seen and not heard comment which is moronic.

[Legend_in_blue]

One look at the ofsted report and it all becomes clear.

Inadequate progress since last inspection.

New head, in there all guns blazing and the students and parents revolt because of it.

It's all about ticking this box and that for ofsted so that targets can be measured more effectively.

[The Year Of The Fox]

It was the seen and not heard comment which is moronic.

I don't think it is. Insinuating kids have an equal weight of input when decision making is moronic.

It's like starting work for a new company. Every new boy ends up making the tea or whatever, or has the piss taken out of him. ,sit here for the long wait' kind of thing. It's a right if passage. Everyone ends up on both sides of the fence.

Same as kids. Shut it, and do as the adult tells you (within reason clearly) they may not like it, but one day they'll be in the same situation

[Webbo]

One look at the ofsted report and it all becomes clear.

Inadequate progress since last inspection.

New head, in there all guns blazing and the students and parents revolt because of it.

It's all about ticking this box and that for ofsted so that targets can be measured more effectively.

Fancy Ofsted caring about a thing like that. You'd think it was their job to monitor standards or something.

[Captain...]

This kind of thing is happening at the school my daughter attends

She's currently just started year 10 but last year she was sent home as her hair had a slight hint of red in it when sunlight hit it from a chestnut Brown hair dye her mum had applied during the school holidays...crazy.

This school year the teachers are standing at the gates armed with baby wipes and nail vanish remover while the pupils are asked to show their nails and be inspected for uniform/footwear before they enter the gates.

What annoys me is some of the teachers have bright pink and blue hair and have facial piercings

But if the rules are no make-up then why not make them take it off at the gates, I appreciate that some teachers swear make-up and have crazy hair, and that may be a touch double standards, but teachers can also use the staff room and don't have to do homework, they are different to pupils, they are adults and can choose to dress how they please.

Surely its against the law to do that kind of stuff?

Isn't it restricting a student's human rights? The school don't have consent to search any belongings let alone constrict them from going toilet.

Hate to say it but if I had used the pass already once before i'd just wet myself, Showing them what else can I do?

And I thought my school was harsh for not letting us wear Polo shirts without the logo on.

This is the problem with the tinkle pass, apart from the stupid name, it just gives kids license to disrupt a class once a week, I know that we would save them all up for one class and then each individual would take it turns to use their tinkle pass effectively disrupting the whole of the class. If anything all these rules, the tinkle pass, the hand signals, the mobile phone searches just undermines the teacher's authority, especially the pass.

Fancy Ofsted caring about a thing like that. You'd think it was their job to monitor standards or something.

The problem with ofsted is it is trying to quantify things that cannot be quantified, a school with excellent discipline record doesn't make it a good school, it could just be full of good natured well brought up kids, likewise a school with discipline problems could just have that one disruptive kid that brings it down.

What has most likely happened is the ofsted report has highlighted things wrong with the school and included amongst the problems, mobiles used in class, wearing non sanctioned footwear, disrupting classes with hands being raised to ask pointless questions and numerous unnecessary toilet visits.

Now I'm not saying that these aren't problems, but it points to a lack of respect for/discipline by the teachers, it iscause and effect, the cause is poor/weak teachers, the effect is the problems listed above. These measures will not resolve the heart of the problem, but when Foster come back they will be able to say, all kids wearing correct footwear, no more numerous toilet trips or hand raising, no more mobile phones in class. Big tick, but the grades are still the same.

[Guest]

I'm sure that the hand signals are used in class.

[Nick]

I don't think it is. Insinuating kids have an equal weight of input when decision making is moronic.

It's like starting work for a new company. Every new boy ends up making the tea or whatever, or has the piss taken out of him. ,sit here for the long wait' kind of thing. It's a right if passage. Everyone ends up on both sides of the fence.

Same as kids. Shut it, and do as the adult tells you (within reason clearly) they may not like it, but one day they'll be in the same situation

[The Year Of The Fox]

But if the rules are no make-up then why not make them take it off at the gates, I appreciate that some teachers swear make-up and have crazy hair, and that may be a touch double standards, but teachers can also use the staff room and don't have to do homework, they are different to pupils, they are adults and can choose to dress how they please.

This is the problem with the tinkle pass, apart from the stupid name, it just gives kids license to disrupt a class once a week, I know that we would save them all up for one class and then each individual would take it turns to use their tinkle pass effectively disrupting the whole of the class. If anything all these rules, the tinkle pass, the hand signals, the mobile phone searches just undermines the teacher's authority, especially the pass.

The problem with ofsted is it is trying to quantify things that cannot be quantified, a school with excellent discipline record doesn't make it a good school, it could just be full of good natured well brought up kids, likewise a school with discipline problems could just have that one disruptive kid that brings it down.

What has most likely happened is the ofsted report has highlighted things wrong with the school and included amongst the problems, mobiles used in class, wearing non sanctioned footwear, disrupting classes with hands being raised to ask pointless questions and numerous unnecessary toilet visits.

Now I'm not saying that these aren't problems, but it points to a lack of respect for/discipline by the teachers, it iscause and effect, the cause is poor/weak teachers, the effect is the problems listed above. These measures will not resolve the heart of the problem, but when Foster come back they will be able to say, all kids wearing correct footwear, no more numerous toilet trips or hand raising, no more mobile phones in class. Big tick, but the grades are still the same.

Your first paragraph-

Exactly. It's the point I was trying to get at in my poorly typed previous post. The teachers have 'done their time' obeying school rules when they were pupils

[21st Century Fox]

I don't think it is. Insinuating kids have an equal weight of input when decision making is moronic.

It's like starting work for a new company. Every new boy ends up making the tea or whatever, or has the piss taken out of him. ,sit here for the long wait' kind of thing. It's a right if passage. Everyone ends up on both sides of the fence.

Same as kids. Shut it, and do as the adult tells you (within reason clearly) they may not like it, but one day they'll be in the same situation

Or just treat them as what they are, little people who happen to be like sponges.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Or just treat them as what they are, little people who happen to be like sponges.

You're talking about pupils who are not so much in their formative years. This article is on about students who will exploit any rule they can, more so when they think they have the backing of their parents.

[Guest MattP]

This picture makes me weep, who not only sends their child looking that scruffy out in public but to a place where they should be learning???

Then is actually is quite happy to pose for a picture that will go out to the nation, unbelievable stuff.

Looking at the state of the Mother I don't think we need to look far.

[Dr The Singh]

Great believer in discipline and observing rules when it comes to children. Throughout our lives we observe rules, if you want to do your own thing do it at home, not work, not school!

[fleckneymike]

Most work places have a uniform policy which as employees must adhere to so I see no problem with Schools setting out clear and fair uniform rules.The uniform policy won't have been brought in over night, letters will have been sent home at the end of the previous term along with an explanation of the sanctions. If parents and or children chose to ignore these rules then that is their fault. If parents or children cannot afford the new uniform most Schools offer financial assistance to those with the greatest need.

The 'bathroom' rules seems slightly draconian however.

I would also recommend that Col gets himself CRB checked and spend some time in School. He will be in for a pleasant surprise.

[Guest Col city fan]

Most work places have a uniform policy which as employees must adhere to so I see no problem with Schools setting out clear and fair uniform rules.The uniform policy won't have been brought in over night, letters will have been sent home at the end of the previous term along with an explanation of the sanctions. If parents and or children chose to ignore these rules then that is their fault. If parents or children cannot afford the new uniform most Schools offer financial assistance to those with the greatest need.

The 'bathroom' rules seems slightly draconian however.

I would also recommend that Col gets himself CRB checked and spend some time in School. He will be in for a pleasant surprise.

If things are improving Mike in terms of discipline then I'm all for it. To be fair, my son, 17 and doing A levels has found his school fine.

My comment on moral standards was more of a generic one but i still think it sounds like this particular headmistress is somewhat OTT.

[fleckneymike]

[Guest Col city fan]

As I said Mike. If you are saying that discipline in Schools is improving, leading to better exam results and less trouble, I'm all for it. Good news in my book.

[Guest Bilo]

i have to say that when I was at prep school, and failed to wear the prescribed uniform, we got the cane! It bloody well hurt.

Now if you're not a strong argument against corporal argument, I don't know what is.

You're like a walking cautionary tale.

[Corky]

Now if you're not a strong argument against corporal argument, I don't know what is.

You're like a walking cautionary tale.

I reckon they just didn't like him in particular.

[Guest Bilo]

This picture makes me weep, who not only sends their child looking that scruffy out in public but to a place where they should be learning???

Then is actually is quite happy to pose for a picture that will go out to the nation, unbelievable stuff.

Looking at the state of the Mother I don't think we need to look far.

I have to be honest here, I'd find it amazing if a headteacher accepted a pupil wearing his uniform like that.

When you aren't wearing your tie properly, can't be bothered to do up your top button and your shirt is un-ironed; the uniform looks so scruffy the notion almost becomes redundant.