Danns and Pearson bust up?!

[chris_lcfc_85]

How can Danns or Beckford prove they deserve their place in the team whilst training with the kids?

Nobody knows whats gone off behind the scenes and we'll probably never know.

If they have shown anything less than 100% commitment to the cause then they dont deserve to play.

NP has simply played his strongest side and these guys just happen to be out of the side. Danns had his chance against Burton and was woeful.

I like Danns to be fair but James, Drinkwater and King are all playing better currently so he cant complain

[accessory]

And I guess football is a game of opinions and we are both entitled to our own.

If you get a chance, go and watch Danns in the second half last season, he was our best player and a match winning game changer, I doubt he has become a bad player over night. And you wont find any of the fans at his previous clubs saying he was shit either. Of course Pearson has the right to treat whichever player he chooses like shit, and he'll ultimately sink or swim upon those decisions.

On the Beckford situation I'd wager the club are trying to piss him off as much as possible to get him out and off the wage bill. Our owners seem to have had a change of heart on the big money deals just lately.

It should be remembered that Danns only got a chance in central midfield last season after King was injured, and Pearson was forced to turn to him because he had no alternatives.

However, it suits certain people's agendas to ignore the part he played in our cup run, or his performances against Southampton, Derby, Cardiff and Birmingham (to name four that spring readily to mind).

If the manager had a record of success which could justify the treatment of Danns and Beckford, all would be well and good. But he doesn't and it isn't.

[Babylon]

How can Danns or Beckford prove they deserve their place in the team whilst training with the kids?

Perhaps they already had their chance and blew it. Perhaps considering the first team had a day off yesterday, it's quite conceivable they were requested to come in for extra training having not been involved on Sunday. If they were training with them last week, perhaps they were asked to as those involved match day were preparing for the game Sunday. Nobody knows if it was one day, two days, whether it's a permanent fixture or a one off for them to work on their fitness.

[Babylon]

If the manager had a record of success which could justify the treatment of Danns and Beckford, all would be well and good. But he doesn't and it isn't.

And if we had a record of success with them in the team people might actually care.

[accessory]

Nobody knows whats gone off behind the scenes and we'll probably never know.

If they have shown anything less than 100% commitment to the cause then they dont deserve to play.

NP has simply played his strongest side and these guys just happen to be out of the side. Danns had his chance against Burton and was woeful.

I like Danns to be fair but James, Drinkwater and King are all playing better currently so he cant complain

Because Danns was the only player who had a bad game against Burton...

Several others who took part in that shambles have already been forgiven, including the current French flavour of the month.

The manager seems to be working to a budget and is trying to cull the squad accordingly. Beckford and Danns just happen to be in the firing line.

[Captain...]

And I guess football is a game of opinions and we are both entitled to our own.

If you get a chance, go and watch Danns in the second half last season, he was our best player and a match winning game changer, I doubt he has become a bad player over night. And you wont find any of the fans at his previous clubs saying he was shit either. Of course Pearson has the right to treat whichever player he chooses like shit, and he'll ultimately sink or swim upon those decisions.

On the Beckford situation I'd wager the club are trying to piss him off as much as possible to get him out and off the wage bill. Our owners seem to have had a change of heart on the big money deals just lately.

This would be the second half of the season when he got sent off twice and missed 10 games through suspension and injury?

Whilst he won't become a bad player overnight, he didn't play a competitive game for 6 months due to injury, and there may still be recurring problems or damage. There is also the fact we have become a better team with some quality additions, and a new philosophy which doesn't really suit his style.

Yes he was our best/most influential player in some games in the second half of last season, but he was also woefully inconsistent before that, he is a good player who will hopefully up his game and prove his worth, but if he doesn't and leaves then I won't be upset.

[Happy Fox]

Because Danns was the only player who had a bad game against Burton...

Several others who took part in that shambles have already been forgiven, including the current French flavour of the month.

The manager seems to be working to a budget and is trying to cull the squad accordingly. Beckford and Danns just happen to be in the firing line.

Is that a problem then, perhaps after Danns and Beckford move on, the likes of Kasper,Konchesky and Nugent may have to go as well due to wages? it would be a sad indictment if that were to happen but if the financial situation isn't good then needs must I guess.

[chris_lcfc_85]

Because Danns was the only player who had a bad game against Burton...

Several others who took part in that shambles have already been forgiven, including the current French flavour of the month.

The manager seems to be working to a budget and is trying to cull the squad accordingly. Beckford and Danns just happen to be in the firing line.

Yeah fair point but difficult to drop ALL 11 players after that woeful performance.

Unfortunately for Danns, he plays in a position thats probably one of the most hotly contested in the squad and he wasnt helped by the fact that Drinkwater and King had been in fine form prior to that match

[Mack]

I find it funny you say that, whilst posting speculation, trying to create war and division amongst the fans, and this gets back to the club and creates an atmosphere and heaps tension on the club, anyway, that is a little aside, not my main point.

I am not saying fvck Danns and Beckford, I do like them both, and think they both have the ability to be a part of this squad, but they are off form, and there are many purely footballing reasons to not pick them, this is without being able to see them train every day, which NP does, and the fact that both are getting on in their careers, unlike the young guns that are taking their place on the bench, Waggy, Futacs, Schlupp, James/King, who will benefit and grow from more game time.

This is not to say that something hasn't happened behind the scenes, and if Stringer is right, and it was hardly the most convincing tweet, and they are permanently training with the U21s, and it wasn't just a temporary thing, then perhaps something has happened, but posting idle speculation about what it is, and laying the blame solely at NP's door without any proof, is not exactly promoting harmony and unity, under Sven it was clear we had no team spirit, I am not blaming this on Danns and Beckford, but we just looked like a bunch of individuals, and not a team.

Now we look like a team again, and if certain people do disrupt this unity then it is the best for the team to get rid, Nigel is our manager and was our most successful manager in about a decade, I trust him and support him in that every decision he makes is for the benefit of the team and the club, in the face of no evidence to the contrary, I will continue to do so.

I'm not trying to create anything.

The situation has been created by Danns and Beckford being frozen out, that has nothing to do with me.

I don't agree with it, I think we'd be a better side with them in it, and as a season ticket holding fan I have the right to express my opinion.

Slag me off if you like, I couldn't give a moneys!

[chris_lcfc_85]

I just think the Danns situation has been blown WAY out of proportion.

1. He started the season out of the side as NP could only pick 2 from 4.

2. Drinwkater impressed then King came on and earned his place.

3. James and Danns then played against Burton where both were poor, possibly James being slightly better than Danns.

4. NP naturally restored King and Drinky to the side as they'd been the one's in form.

5. Only room for one CM on the bench, Danns or James and NP opted for James. SIMPLE

[shade]

something everyone has overlooked, perhaps danns and beckford requested to train with the youth because they're model professionals and want to ensure that they retain a good level of fitness, in case they're called upon to play ?

[Mack]

Having the right attitude, accepting they are in the wrong/were in the wrong, and work damn hard to prove to NP they deserve a second chance it is up to them they know who the boss is.

Who's training the senior squad and not watching..........

[Mack]

I just think the Danns situation has been blown WAY out of proportion.

1. He started the season out of the side as NP could only pick 2 from 4.

2. Drinwkater impressed then King came on and earned his place.

3. James and Danns then played against Burton where both were poor, possibly James being slightly better than Danns.

4. NP naturally restored King and Drinky to the side as they'd been the one's in form.

5. Only room for one CM on the bench, Danns or James and NP opted for James. SIMPLE

James was and has been no better than Danns is / was.

[chris_lcfc_85]

James was and has been no better than Danns is / was.

It was always going to be between those 2 on who made the bench when everyone was fit.

Whilst James was poor against Burton, he's done well in the other games and he can pass a ball accurately to feet which helps.

Listen mate, i like Danns and would love to see him regain his best form because on his day, he is a good Championship midfielder but, at the current time, there are 3 midfielders in decent form so its difficult for Danns to get in

[Bert]

I just think the Danns situation has been blown WAY out of proportion.

1. He started the season out of the side as NP could only pick 2 from 4.

2. Drinwkater impressed then King came on and earned his place.

3. James and Danns then played against Burton where both were poor, possibly James being slightly better than Danns.

4. NP naturally restored King and Drinky to the side as they'd been the one's in form.

5. Only room for one CM on the bench, Danns or James and NP opted for James. SIMPLE

So how come there's room for 3 centre forwards on the bench then?

[marty78]

Is there an attitude or behaviour that would be deserving of demotion from the senior squad? In my opinion yes. If they have behaved poorly or displayed an attitude not in keeping with a professional sportsman then their demotion would be deserved and without knowing what exactly has happened I don't see how people can defend Danns and Beckford and assume Pearson in the wrong and vice versa.

Maybe we should wait for the truth to out itself before pointing the finger of blame.

[chris_lcfc_85]

So how come there's room for 3 centre forwards on the bench then?

More opportunities to change a game i'd guess as they all offer something different.

Dont seen the necessity to have 2 x centre mids on the bench to be fair.

When King was injured, Danns made the bench as the 'reserve' midfielder. When King returned, Danns dropped back out.

If Danns stays, i think he'll get his chance and its upto him to take it. If he plays how he did against Chelsea last season, it'll be diffcult for NP to drop him

[marty78]

So how come there's room for 3 centre forwards on the bench then?

Because Schlupp can play LB, Waghorn out wide and Beckford can do neither. Futacs offers something different to them all.

[chris_lcfc_85]

Why did nobody go on and on when Moore was dropped from the squad or Gallagher or Waghorn a few weeks ago?

There's not room for everyone

[Captain...]

I'm not trying to create anything.

The situation has been created by Danns and Beckford being frozen out, that has nothing to do with me.

I don't agree with it, I think we'd be a better side with them in it, and as a season ticket holding fan I have the right to express my opinion.

Slag me off if you like, I couldn't give a moneys!

I'm not slagging you off, but unity and harmony are a 2 way street, and you don't know whether it is Beckford causing disharmony and disrupting team spirit, Danns or NP, or their agents with rumours of Beckford approaching Hudersfield behind NP's back, which I also don't believe.

Ultimately the good of the team is greater than the good of the individuals, look at Kevin Pietersen in the cricket, or Carlos Tevez, even if they are the best players at the club, if they disrupt the team then they are not worth it.

Now I am not saying that they are the best players at the club, nor that they are disrupting the team, but I just don't agree with spreading around lies and rumours with no facts.

James was and has been no better than Danns is / was.

James is a different player to Danns and more suited to how we play, he is steady, reliable and disciplined, whereas Danns is energetic and enthusiastic but inconsistent and erratic.

One of our biggest problems last season was consistency of individuals, brilliant one week and awful the next, it made it very hard to get any sort of cohesion as any plans that were made were immediately out the window as one of the cogs was loose.

Danns at his best is better than I have seen James play, but at his worst he is awful, if we don't know which Danns is going to turn up each week then it makes it very hard to make a plan for a game. Gallagher, Peltier and Bamba can be put in the same bracket.

[Bert]

Why did nobody go on and on when Moore was dropped from the squad or Gallagher or Waghorn a few weeks ago?

There's not room for everyone

Is there a limit to how many numbers train as "first team?" No.

Also, beckford offers something different to the other 3 centre forwards so there's an argument for him to be there. Nice try saying Schlupp can play left back but he wasn't involved in the past few squads before the hull game so that's not really a great argument.

[chris_lcfc_85]

Is there a limit to how many numbers train as "first team?" No.

Also, beckford offers something different to the other 3 centre forwards so there's an argument for him to be there. Nice try saying Schlupp can play left back but he wasn't involved in the past few squads before the hull game so that's not really a great argument.

As i've said, i like both players and i'd defo keep them both but at this moment in time, we have better options and we're doing ok so no need to change. Danns and Beckford need to prove their worth and show desire to get in.

As for them training with the youth, i dont know. Could be a number of reasons for it.

The situations are different cos Danns has missed out a few times but until Sunday, Beckford had been in the squad every game so there must be a reason why NP chose Schlupp instead

[marty78]

Is there a limit to how many numbers train as "first team?" No.

Also, beckford offers something different to the other 3 centre forwards so there's an argument for him to be there. Nice try saying Schlupp can play left back but he wasn't involved in the past few squads before the hull game so that's not really a great argument.

May I ask what it is that Beckford offers that our other front men don't? I've never been one of his critics to be honest but he has hardly been an asset for us barring a handful of performances.

[indierich06]

James was and has been no better than Danns is / was.

He can pass a ball, he's already better than Danns.

[Bert]

May I ask what it is that Beckford offers that our other front men don't? I've never been one of his critics to be honest but he has hardly been an asset for us barring a handful of performances.

Pace. He can put the ball in the net too. He's scored more league goals than Waghorn, Futacs and Schlupp. Probably put together too.