Happy Fox Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Well no big loss anyway, Drinkwater and King, with James and another central midfielder in reserve and I don't mean Wellens should be good enough in the championship.
cc_star Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Fan rumour! Ridiculous. He hasn't merited his place in a competitive midfield. must play better. Don't try to make up problems that are not there. Amen
Stig the Lawnmower Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 In an interview with Pearson I heard him say he had his chance and blew it (Burton). Makes sense to me.. so Danns has just one chance yet waggy can do no wrong Don't get me wrong, I am not totally against Waggy - in fact I would love him to show the form he had first time around - but there are far better players than him who don't get a look in.
Fox92 Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 so Danns has just one chance yet waggy can do no wrong Don't get me wrong, I am not totally against Waggy - in fact I would love him to show the form he had first time around - but there are far better players than him who don't get a look in. To be fair though, we only see the outside of the club. None of us know what goes on inside the football club with the staff and the players. I'm not saying a bust up has occured (fed up with all this regarding every player), but you dont know if Danns (or any player) has done something that Pearson hasn't liked. I'm not really bothered regarding Danns anyway. We have better players, and I've been impressed with Drinkwater/James and Drinkwater/King anyway. The only advantage Danns bring's to the team is his injection of pace and energy, but I still think he fouls a lot and gives the ball away as well.
5waller5 Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 so Danns has just one chance yet waggy can do no wrong Don't get me wrong, I am not totally against Waggy - in fact I would love him to show the form he had first time around - but there are far better players than him who don't get a look in. It's a great point - Danns has gone from Captain and our best player to not featuring at all in the space of 10/12 games, and yet others like Waggy have gone from being woeful to staying woeful in that time and yet still make the bench. I literally arrived at kick off yesterday - with no Beckford and No Danns on there - who was!?
Captain... Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 It's a great point - Danns has gone from Captain and our best player to not featuring at all in the space of 10/12 games, and yet others like Waggy have gone from being woeful to staying woeful in that time and yet still make the bench. I literally arrived at kick off yesterday - with no Beckford and No Danns on there - who was!? Yes it is definitely Waghorn's fault Danns and Beckford are not on the bench, and nothing to do with their poor performances this season. For those that are able to view things objectively it has been stated that Waghorn was one of the better players against Burton, and has certainly livened things up in his 3 subs appearances, doing well in holding the ball up, adding some energy and getting in good positions. He hasn't scored in 60 minutes of league football, but he has come a lot closer to scoring than Beckford in 120 minutes of league football. The bench was Schlupp, LB cover, Futacs, has managed to score this season, King, has scored twice his season, Dyer, who has scored this season, Waghorn, Whitbread and Logan. On current form I would not pick Beckford or Danns over them.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I like Danns a lot, a very good player 2nd half of last season. Couldn't give a fuk what if anything has gone on though. In Nigel I trust
21st Century Fox Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Maybe Rangers might still want him....
5waller5 Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Yes it is definitely Waghorn's fault Danns and Beckford are not on the bench, and nothing to do with their poor performances this season. For those that are able to view things objectively it has been stated that Waghorn was one of the better players against Burton, and has certainly livened things up in his 3 subs appearances, doing well in holding the ball up, adding some energy and getting in good positions. He hasn't scored in 60 minutes of league football, but he has come a lot closer to scoring than Beckford in 120 minutes of league football. The bench was Schlupp, LB cover, Futacs, has managed to score this season, King, has scored twice his season, Dyer, who has scored this season, Waghorn, Whitbread and Logan. On current form I would not pick Beckford or Danns over them. You can make assumptions based on other people's opinions ..... But I was at the game and he was shocking, just like the rest of the squad that night. He absolutely did not come out of that game with any credit for me. So excuse me for having an opinion but at least it's based on watching the games not repeating the happy clappers and making assumptions.
Mack Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Yes it is a big bust up, definitely not the fact that Danns has played shit when he has had the chance, Burton and when he came on at Blackburn and was crap and was partly responsible for the goal, no manager would drop someone for that and pick players on form over him. Nothing against Danns, but he is off form, James, king and drinkwater aren't, yup, must be a bust up, like those with SSL and Beckford and every other player in the squad, that must explain why they never seem to work hard on the pitch for such a dictator... Waghorn is out of form but gets on every game. Danns spent the last portion of last season injured, he needs a bit of game time to get sharp and to his best again. I agree with others that is a fall out of some sort.
5waller5 Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Yes it is definitely Waghorn's fault Danns and Beckford are not on the bench, and nothing to do with their poor performances this season. For those that are able to view things objectively it has been stated that Waghorn was one of the better players against Burton, and has certainly livened things up in his 3 subs appearances, doing well in holding the ball up, adding some energy and getting in good positions. He hasn't scored in 60 minutes of league football, but he has come a lot closer to scoring than Beckford in 120 minutes of league football. The bench was Schlupp, LB cover, Futacs, has managed to score this season, King, has scored twice his season, Dyer, who has scored this season, Waghorn, Whitbread and Logan. On current form I would not pick Beckford or Danns over them. Each time coinciding with Lloyd coming on... It's lloyd that's making the impact.
Webbo Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I don't doubt that Nigel has strong words with lots of the players some of the time. It's not necessarily significant.
5waller5 Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I don't doubt that Nigel has strong words with lots of the players some of the time. It's not necessarily significant. I'd agree ... he also has his favourites and if you fall out of favour you do so quickly!!! He seems to have patience for tryers (unsurprisingly), I'd have had Danns down to be a tryer though which is why this one seems strange.
Captain... Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 You can make assumptions based on other people's opinions ..... But I was at the game and he was shocking, just like the rest of the squad that night. He absolutely did not come out of that game with any credit for me. So excuse me for having an opinion but at least it's based on watching the games not repeating the happy clappers and making assumptions. Fair play, I wasn't there, but I got that info from posters who are normally fairly restrained in their views, you tend to have very strong opinions about certain players and seem to have pre-conceptions that are hard to shake. Waghorn is out of form but gets on every game. Danns spent the last portion of last season injured, he needs a bit of game time to get sharp and to his best again. I agree with others that is a fall out of some sort. Hardly every game, has come on as a sub in the last 3, should have scored against Wolves, held the ball up well against Burnley and helped see the game out, had a hand in our last goal yesterday. Each time coinciding with Lloyd coming on... It's lloyd that's making the impact. Lloyd is also making an impact, I'm a big fan of Lloyd and love his pace to exploit the gaps when the opposition are puching for an equaliser. Danns came on at Blackburn ran around a lot and gave the ball away resulting indirectly in a goal for Blackburn. Against Blackpool Beckford came on, lost the ball in looking for a goal when he would have been better off playing it out wide, or running into the corner, or doing anything apart from give the ball away cheaply, they went up the other end and nearly scored. So I am not convinced they are the ideal players to come on when we are drawing or protecting a one goal lead.
Mack Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Hardly every game, has come on as a sub in the last 3, should have scored against Wolves, held the ball up well against Burnley and helped see the game out, had a hand in our last goal yesterday. Yet Danns who could be a really positive addition to the squad team gets no game time / doesn't even get on the bench. Most other Championship sides would be starting him, let alone leaving him out completely. I find it hard to believe it's for Footballing reasons, and I cant think of any good ones for freezing him out completely.
Captain... Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Yet Danns who could be a really positive addition to the squad team gets no game time / doesn't even get on the bench. Most other Championship sides would be starting him, let alone leaving him out completely. I find it hard to believe it's for Footballing reasons, and I cant think of any good ones for freezing him out completely. The Burton game, he was awful, the subs appearance against Blackburn, he was awful. Many games last season he was poor, yes he had some good games, but spoilt that by getting sent off (for the second time that season to go with 8 yellow cards) I don't understand why it is so hard to believe it is for footballing reasons when his football so far this season has been poor Whilst the other 3 central midfielders have played consistently well. At his best he is not that good that we should be playing him whilst off form at the expense of form players, we don't have that luxury at the moment, a loan deal would be perfect for all involved. If Danns can find his form then great, but he will still need to prove he has something to offer in this formation and style of play that relies on possession and discipline, not his strong point, and high energy closing down and pressure, what he is good at, but so are the other 3 contenders.
5waller5 Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 The bench was Schlupp, LB cover, Futacs, has managed to score this season, King, has scored twice his season, Dyer, who has scored this season, Waghorn, Whitbread and Logan. On current form I would not pick Beckford or Danns over them. My bench would be: Schlupp versatile and pacey - yes Futacs, different option .... I don't think we need the hoofball option but can understand keeping him there. King & Dyer, both pushing the first teamers well and making lots of positive impact when used - i love the tactic of high energy play and then bringing on these pair with 65 mins gone - to turn the pressure up even higher. Whitbread, logical defensive cover. Logan & Waghorn - Do we need a keeper on the bench?? Personally I'd have Danns or JB there instead, and personally I'd have them both instead of Waghorn. But one thing I do give credit to NP for - I'd stick with his first 11 - that is clearly our first choice 11 and it's been a long time since a side picked itself at LCFC. Thinking about it - is that actually a positive!!!?
Thracian Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 My bench would be: Schlupp versatile and pacey - yes Futacs, different option .... I don't think we need the hoofball option but can understand keeping him there. King & Dyer, both pushing the first teamers well and making lots of positive impact when used - i love the tactic of high energy play and then bringing on these pair with 65 mins gone - to turn the pressure up even higher. Whitbread, logical defensive cover. Logan & Waghorn - Do we need a keeper on the bench?? Personally I'd have Danns or JB there instead, and personally I'd have them both instead of Waghorn. But one thing I do give credit to NP for - I'd stick with his first 11 - that is clearly our first choice 11 and it's been a long time since a side picked itself at LCFC. Thinking about it - is that actually a positive!!!? I think our best first Xl could feature any of the team on Sunday, plus the substitutes. And that is one of its strengths of our situation now. We really do have options, people competing for places and yet within a unit that seems to developing the united spirit of potential achievers. King lost his place through injury yet remains our most consistently impressive central midfielder this season and I'm in no way convinced Marshall is a more dangerous player than Dyer but we're getting results now and Pearson has the kind of positive choices managers love. But for things outside our control we'd have got results when the team was different so I don't think there's been any great improvement due to any changes in starting personnel. For once in over a decade i've every faith in whatever players we use from the squad that was chosen against Hull.
buzzy Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Yes it is a big bust up, definitely not the fact that Danns has played shit when he has had the chance, Burton and when he came on at Blackburn and was crap and was partly responsible for the goal, no manager would drop someone for that and pick players on form over him. Nothing against Danns, but he is off form, James, king and drinkwater aren't, yup, must be a bust up, like those with SSL and Beckford and every other player in the squad, that must explain why they never seem to work hard on the pitch for such a dictator... how can you say he is off form when he as not even played pearson as i have said numourus times does not like svens players s a shame because i think danns and beckford are good enough and better than some of the players playing but that is my opinon and you have yours.
Mack Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 The Burton game, he was awful, the subs appearance against Blackburn, he was awful. Many games last season he was poor, yes he had some good games, but spoilt that by getting sent off (for the second time that season to go with 8 yellow cards) I don't understand why it is so hard to believe it is for footballing reasons when his football so far this season has been poor Whilst the other 3 central midfielders have played consistently well. At his best he is not that good that we should be playing him whilst off form at the expense of form players, we don't have that luxury at the moment, a loan deal would be perfect for all involved. If Danns can find his form then great, but he will still need to prove he has something to offer in this formation and style of play that relies on possession and discipline, not his strong point, and high energy closing down and pressure, what he is good at, but so are the other 3 contenders. So why is he training with the U21s?
FantasticMrFuchs Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 There HAS been a big bust up between NP & Danns, Nothing about us winning yesterday and being negative towards the club. Those that don't see there is a issue between the two of them need to take those rose tinted glasses off.
The Padster Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 pearson as i have said numourus times does not like svens players s Bet he despised Nugent yesterday, how can he drop him now after that.
Happy Fox Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 how can you say he is off form when he as not even played pearson as i have said numourus times does not like svens players s a shame because i think danns and beckford are good enough and better than some of the players playing but that is my opinon and you have yours. Konchesky, Nugent,Kasper and St Ledger a bit debatable that he doesn't like Sven players.
Haydos Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 There HAS been a big bust up between NP & Danns, Nothing about us winning yesterday and being negative towards the club. Those that don't see there is a issue between the two of them need to take those rose tinted glasses off. What's it about?
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