Racism...

[21st Century Fox]

People in the football racism thread have been shot down for suggesting that if white players set up their own union, it would be deemed racist. Here, you back up their point. John Terry calls Anton Ferdinand a black c*nt and goes to court for it. Trever McDonald calls Manning a white bastard and gets roaring laughter. Its a strange one

Trevor McDonald's clearly being satirical.

[flowwolf]

Not really considering white people weren't repressed for centuries....ok maybe sexually.

Well we were actually by the ruling elite. From beyond the middle ages right up till after the second world war.

[Darkon84]

Trevor McDonald's clearly being satirical.

If you called a black person a black bastard on live tv, but said it jokingly, would that be ok then?

[flowwolf]

Trevor McDonald's clearly being satirical.

Right so next time I call someone a Black bastard providing I say I'm only being satirical I should get away with it ? If Mc Donald calls someone a White bastard he is by definition calling all White people bastards.

[21st Century Fox]

If you called a black person a black bastard on live tv, but said it jokingly, would that be ok then?

If that black person made a living from making white jokes and you were clearly satirising them I imagine you could.

[Carl the Llama]

Any Private Eye readers on here? I had a good chuckle at a joke in the latest issue: the text read "John Terry steps down from international duty", followed by a pic of Terry and a speech bubble saying "this is a black bastard day for football".

[Darkon84]

If that black person made a living from making white jokes and you were clearly satirising them I imagine you could.

So McDonald may have had personal reasons for saying it, and so actually meant what he said?

[21st Century Fox]

Right so next time I call someone a Black bastard providing I say I'm only being satirical I should get away with it ? If Mc Donald calls someone a White bastard he is by definition calling all White people bastards.

What?!

Where would the satire be in that exactly? It was satirical because of Mannings act!

[21st Century Fox]

So McDonald may have had personal reasons for saying it, and so actually meant what he said?

It was a spin on Bernard Mannings act, what's personal feelings got to do with it?

[Darkon84]

It was a spin on Bernard Mannings act, what's personal feelings got to do with it?

If there were personal feelings involved, then there could have been actualy malice, and therefore racism.

Im being annoying and picky to take it down to the lowest point to find out where the line gets drawn.

When Chris Rock dies, will a white newsreader be allowed to call him a jumped up black bastard?

[purpleronnie]

Didnt realise Ferdinand had been opressed?

I guess you dont think racism has any links to history.....which is odd.

[Webbo]

If there were personal feelings involved, then there could have been actualy malice, and therefore racism.

Im being annoying and picky to take it down to the lowest point to find out where the line gets drawn.

When Chris Rock dies, will a white newsreader be allowed to call him a jumped up black bastard?

It was ironic humour. I doubt if Bernard Manning would have been offended.

[21st Century Fox]

If there were personal feelings involved, then there could have been actualy malice, and therefore racism.

Im being annoying and picky to take it down to the lowest point to find out where the line gets drawn.

When Chris Rock dies, will a white newsreader be allowed to call him a jumped up black bastard?

How do you infer anyone's feeling about a joke? Why should his joke come under anymore scrutiny than say Ricky Gervais making a joke about a kid with cancer? Does anyone question whether he holds a grudge against cancer ridden children?

It would be satirical, I'm not sure Chris Rock is as synonymous as Manning was but it would clearly be a parody of his act.

[Haydos]

Sir Trevor McDonald on Bernard Manning during the week of his death:

Who the fvck thinks this is not satire? Some people have had a right mare here.

[Captain...]

A joke is a joke, if it is funny, then you can pretty much get away with saying anything, even if on some levels it is offensive, for example jokes about black men having big cocks, racial stereotyping, but can be funny, a couple of examples to gauge reactions, are these funny or racist, be warned one of them uses the N word:

A truck driving is driving down the road, when he sees two black guys with a broken-down bicycle.

It's starting to rain so he pulls over to offer a ride.

"Yeahhh man, our bicycle is broken down, both of us we needs a ride."

Ok, says the truck driver, but I dont have room in the cab so you'll have to ride in the trailer.

I also have a whole load of bowling balls in the back, so you'll have to squeeze in.

A few miles later he gets pulled over by two troopers. One trooper is checking the tires, the brakes and when he opens the back doors, he yells out

"emergency! seal off the area"

the other trooper comes running to see what's the problem.

"he got a truckload of nigger eggs, two of them hatched, and they've already stolen a bike!!!

Name 2 famous blackberries:

Halle and Chuck

Why can't Stevie Wonder read?

Because he is black

Let me know what you think of those jokes.

[Darkon84]

I guess you dont think racism has any links to history.....which is odd.

Of course history plays a part, but why should the entire white race of today be held accountable for what happened before our lifetime (mine at least)?

Should all Irish feel aggrieved towards every American today for the way the Irish were herded straight off of the boats and forced in to fighting and dying for the Americans so long ago?

It was ironic humour. I doubt if Bernard Manning would have been offended.

You are probably right, to be fair, I dont think he would have been offended, but is that the correct way to judge it?

How do you infer anyone's feeling about a joke? Why should his joke come under anymore scrutiny than say Ricky Gervais making a joke about a kid with cancer? Does anyone question whether he holds a grudge against cancer ridden children?

It would be satirical, I'm not sure Chris Rock is as synonymous as Manning was but it would clearly be a parody of his act.

Of course I cant speak for how McDonald was feeling, but at the same time you cant say that he might not have been offended by Manning and enjoyed saying it. Ok the feelings part is an argument based on assumptions on both sides, so lets leave that

Comparing a (potentially) racist joke against one of Gervais' cancer ones is a non starter and pointless.

True, Rock is nowhere near as synonymous as Manning, but it was the first name that came to mind. There are plenty of black comedians that use white jokes or poke fun at white people or call then honkeys etc. I personally dont have a problem and find it funny, but wheres the line? Im sure some people would be offended.

[21st Century Fox]

A joke is a joke, if it is funny, then you can pretty much get away with saying anything, even if on some levels it is offensive, for example jokes about black men having big cocks, racial stereotyping, but can be funny, a couple of examples to gauge reactions, are these funny or racist, be warned one of them uses the N word:

Let me know what you think of those jokes.

The difference there is that those kinds of jokes are subjective, you either find them funny or you don't. Satire like Trevor McDonald's joke has a frame work that it has to adhere to be be satire.

[Captain...]

The difference there is that those kinds of jokes are subjective, you either find them funny or you don't. Satire like Trevor McDonald's joke has a frame work that it has to adhere to be be satire.

But are they racist? Of course humour is subjective, is racism?

[21st Century Fox]

Of course I cant speak for how McDonald was feeling, but at the same time you cant say that he might not have been offended by Manning and enjoyed saying it. Ok the feelings part is an argument based on assumptions on both sides, so lets leave that

Comparing a (potentially) racist joke against one of Gervais' cancer ones is a non starter and pointless.

True, Rock is nowhere near as synonymous as Manning, but it was the first name that came to mind. There are plenty of black comedians that use white jokes or poke fun at white people or call then honkeys etc. I personally dont have a problem and find it funny, but wheres the line? Im sure some people would be offended.

I wasn't comparing jokes I was comparing the scrutiny you can give a joke.

Be offended, but it's satirical, satire lives or dies on the fact it's satire.

[21st Century Fox]

But are they racist? Of course humour is subjective, is racism?

If their based on a racial stereotype I'd probably say so.

[Captain...]

If their based on a racial stereotype I'd probably say so.

Well I posted the jokes, what did you think?

[Bettsj2]

Right so next time I call someone a Black bastard providing I say I'm only being satirical I should get away with it ? If Mc Donald calls someone a White bastard he is by definition calling all White people bastards.

'so next time I call someone a Black bastard'

Maybe just dont?

[Darkon84]

I wasn't comparing jokes I was comparing the scrutiny you can give a joke.

Be offended, but it's satirical, satire lives or dies on the fact it's satire.

Im not offended by it, I laughed at it. What I was trying to do, was take it down to its lowest level and say where does the line get drawn.

[21st Century Fox]

Well I posted the jokes, what did you think?

First one - racist if the inference is that a black racial trait is theft.

Second one - No.

Third one - racist if the inference is that black people can't read.

[Webbo]

First one - racist if the inference is that a black racial trait is theft.

A truck driving is driving down the road, when he sees two black guys with a broken-down bicycle.

It's starting to rain so he pulls over to offer a ride.

"Yeahhh man, our bicycle is broken down, both of us we needs a ride."

Ok, says the truck driver, but I dont have room in the cab so you'll have to ride in the trailer.

I also have a whole load of bowling balls in the back, so you'll have to squeeze in.

A few miles later he gets pulled over by two troopers. One trooper is checking the tires, the brakes and when he opens the back doors, he yells out

"emergency! seal off the area"

the other trooper comes running to see what's the problem.

"he got a truckload of nigger eggs, two of them hatched, and they've already stolen a bike!!!

Surely the joke is at the expense of the 2 racist troopers who think that black people come from eggs?