What has happened to the Atmosphere at the King Power?

[Poakey]

I can remember walking to Filbert Street from the town centre and could here the fans in the ground once we got past the hospital. Now all you can hear is that tinny shite pop music blasting your eardrums out, Nice one LCFC, one way to stop it.

[The Doctor]

They want family fans because they spend more in the long run

I'm amazed people are directly trying to blame the fans energy and vocal support entirely on the people running the club, we need to make the fkin noise. And of course the club don't want a quiet ground just for the sake of it.

They do need to find ways to fill the ground up tho, we are not a pathetically supported club but we do look it sometimes

Well yes, it is up to the fans - plenty of people have said that. But the club do nothing to encourage an atmosphere - if anything they actively discourage it.

[Poakey]

Well yes, it is up to the fans - plenty of people have said that. But the club do nothing to encourage an atmosphere - if anything they actively discourage it.

If they did something it would be something cringworthy anyway.

They took WLY and turned it into a joke with those scarves.

[harpendenfox]

So go on then, what should the Club do to encourage a good atmosphere? They don't force us, as in the first half on Saturday, to imitate the post lunch interval atmosphere on a warm afternoon in June at Grace Road.

[The Doctor]

If they did something it would be something cringworthy anyway.

They took WLY and turned it into a joke with those scarves.

True, but the least they could do is not have security be absolute jobsworths like I've mentioned, or not knife fans in the back like in '07 when a group of people tried to set up something akin to L1 in N1. That doesn't take any effort from them, all it takes is a bit of understanding towards the fans.

[Captain...]

True, but the least they could do is not have security be absolute jobsworths like I've mentioned, or not knife fans in the back like in '07 when a group of people tried to set up something akin to L1 in N1. That doesn't take any effort from them, all it takes is a bit of understanding towards the fans.

A lot has changed since 07, the current regime has put a lot more effort into getting an atmosphere, OK the winter wonderland is a bit kiddy, the scarves a bit naff, but they are not trying to undermine the fans. Of those incidents mentioned how many happened in the last couple of years?

I can't see prices changing, that is a business decision, but maybe now they will listen to fans with suggestions on how to get more fans in the ground, improve the atmosphere.

For that to work attitudes need to change on both sides though and we need to lose this victimized fan mentality.

[Poakey]

So go on then, what should the Club do to encourage a good atmosphere? They don't force us, as in the first half on Saturday, to imitate the post lunch interval atmosphere on a warm afternoon in June at Grace Road.

Its more what they should stop doing.

Just a few things that enter my head straight away.

Stop blasting out pop music pre match would help for one. And why play" tonights gonna be a good night" once the final whistle has been blown after a win? Why do you think they do that?

Price rises on L,K and J and freezes on the family stand dosent seem fair.

The banning of any flags, confetti or other things that may help create any sort of non family atmosphere.

You could maybe ask Bilo or 1964fox how they feel the Fosseboys where discouraged from doing what they were doing and the special treatment they recieved.

[The Doctor]

A lot has changed since 07, the current regime has put a lot more effort into getting an atmosphere, OK the winter wonderland is a bit kiddy, the scarves a bit naff, but they are not trying to undermine the fans. Of those incidents mentioned how many happened in the last couple of years?

I can't see prices changing, that is a business decision, but maybe now they will listen to fans with suggestions on how to get more fans in the ground, improve the atmosphere.

For that to work attitudes need to change on both sides though and we need to lose this victimized fan mentality.

It has, but until recently the security set up was the same - the problem people were having in this regard. They happened in the 10-11 season - I've hardly been since so whether or not they've changed recently I don't know, although that would coincide with Barclay being moved away from the fans a slight bit....

[Captain...]

It has, but until recently the security set up was the same - the problem people were having in this regard. They happened in the 10-11 season - I've hardly been since so whether or not they've changed recently I don't know, although that would coincide with Barclay being moved away from the fans a slight bit....

So what actually happened with KB and the fosse boys? Did you have any face to face discussions with him, did he actively try and stop them? I'm sure this is old hat but I was living in Spain while the fosse boys were around so missed a lot o what happened.

[MattyFromLE]

I feel sorry for the Fosse Boys. In essence what they were trying to do is pretty much what this whole thread is about. We have two choices really don't we? We either sit there and ****ing disabled about it, or try and do something positive to create an atmosphere. I'd be up for moving my ticket for a few matches if we were to try get a group together near L1 to make a bigger singing section.

However, they WON'T move the Kop, they won't let us bring flags in - so we are going to have to instigate it ourselves.

[Captain...]

I feel sorry for the Fosse Boys. In essence what they were trying to do is pretty much what this whole thread is about. We have two choices really don't we? We either sit there and ****ing disabled about it, or try and do something positive to create an atmosphere. I'd be up for moving my ticket for a few matches if we were to try get a group together near L1 to make a bigger singing section.

However, they WON'T move the Kop, they won't let us bring flags in - so we are going to have to instigate it ourselves.

Fvcking flags, never heard a flag sing...

Incidentally barnsley had a flag draped over some of the many empty seats, how did they get that in?

[harpendenfox]

I do take the point about the overly loud pre match music. I can barely hear myself think. Sorry to sound like Victor Meldrew there. I remember the singing used to start around 2.50 at Filbo. Some days better than others, lets make sure our glasses aren't too rose-tinted, but a real atmosphere would build.

So if the Club turned the music down, would the lads and lasses committed to singing start doing so at 2.50, thus building the atmosphere? Could almost agree on the three songs to be sung on here, and start from there?

[Poakey]

True, but the least they could do is not have security be absolute jobsworths like I've mentioned, or not knife fans in the back like in '07 when a group of people tried to set up something akin to L1 in N1. That doesn't take any effort from them, all it takes is a bit of understanding towards the fans.

The stewards in L1 are sound. Yet in SK1 with the Fosseboys they were a different breed!!

[promised land]

Incidentally barnsley had a flag draped over some of the many empty seats, how did they get that in?

I saw that, I suppose they had a fire safety certificate for it, you always used to get a Leicester flag saying something like Essex Blues on draped over the barriers in front of the wheelchair platform in the family stand corner with the west stand.

Either their flag was banned or they stopped coming or bringing it but I haven't seen it for a few seasons.

[David Lowe]

So go on then, what should the Club do to encourage a good atmosphere? They don't force us, as in the first half on Saturday, to imitate the post lunch interval atmosphere on a warm afternoon in June at Grace Road.

The music before kick off is dire, the worst i have known it. At least if it was something you could sing along to it might get the fans started. I just don't know what any of it is apart from noisy drivel.

[MattyFromLE]

Fvcking flags, never heard a flag sing...

Incidentally barnsley had a flag draped over some of the many empty seats, how did they get that in?

My point wasn't that Flags will make us sing. My general point was, is if the club have a problem with people wanting to do that - then we're gonna have to think of something different. My point also was that we can sit moaning about not moving the kop, not letting flags or confetti in, or we can do something about it on match day and actually open our ****ing mouths.

[1964FOX]

Flags were initially allowed for the Fosse Boys but as relations deteriated they were only allowed with a fire safety certificate which basically means you have to pay a lot of money for one and most of the group didn't have the funds for that and their home made flags became banned.

It was pointed out the away fans had lots of flags and the very next game the away fans were not allowed flags in, the team at the time was Sheff Wednesday, they consequently banned us taking flags to the return fixture and I noted at the recent match at Hillsborough everyone was being asked if they had flags so they still remember it.

[The Doctor]

So what actually happened with KB and the fosse boys? Did you have any face to face discussions with him, did he actively try and stop them? I'm sure this is old hat but I was living in Spain while the fosse boys were around so missed a lot o what happened.

There were meetings with Barclay - I think Bilo and 1964Fox can tell more about that than me, but he did have a bit of an agenda against them.

[1964FOX]

There were meetings with Barclay - I think Bilo and 1964Fox can tell more about that than me, but he did have a bit of an agenda against them.

Basically we had formal meetings with the club and agreed to form the group in SK1. There were things we didn't agree on but both sides said they would move on and a compromise would be sought. There is no doubt KB was apprehensive but I genuinely think we could have got he compromise we needed and with time slowly slipped in what we originally wanted. Problem was a few in the group were idealistic young lads who saw it as a fight against authority and would not compromise a bit. THis clearly caused bad relations and then underhand tactics from those involved on the clubs side.

As I have said with hindsight I should have taken more control with being older and more experienced to influence the group and push harder for compromise as I genuinely believe it could have worked and SK1 would have a huge Fosse Boys hoarding on the perspex (this was offered but turned down as they wanted it to be sponsored and some of the group objected - I know) and the stairs up to SK1 would have had Fosse Boy logo's and a big sign saying 'Welcome to Fosse Boys corner'.

There was a full agreement or charter signed between the club and the group which would have been the first in the country foirmally recognising an Ultra group and merchandise in the club shop. We were asked to self police ourselves with identified Fosse Boy stewards and there would have been an official emebership card for the group. Who knows what else we could have had.

Unfortunately some of the group didn't like the idea of being registered or self policing but the club needed to know who was in the group and we were allowed to occupy any seat within the section allocated so I understand the need for this. But the refusal to compromise frustrated the club so it went wrong and once the tide turned it was too late.

There were mistakes on both sides but to be fair the club were supportive and actually quite progressive with the group but silly little things just got in the way.

[purpleronnie]

_{so you'd think if fans wanted to do the same not necessarily under the 'ultra' banner they could....so why don't you lot do just that?}

[MattyFromLE]

Basically we had formal meetings with the club and agreed to form the group in SK1. There were things we didn't agree on but both sides said they would move on and a compromise would be sought. There is no doubt KB was apprehensive but I genuinely think we could have got he compromise we needed and with time slowly slipped in what we originally wanted. Problem was a few in the group were idealistic young lads who saw it as a fight against authority and would not compromise a bit. THis clearly caused bad relations and then underhand tactics from those involved on the clubs side.

As I have said with hindsight I should have taken more control with being older and more experienced to influence the group and push harder for compromise as I genuinely believe it could have worked and SK1 would have a huge Fosse Boys hoarding on the perspex (this was offered but turned down as they wanted it to be sponsored and some of the group objected - I know) and the stairs up to SK1 would have had Fosse Boy logo's and a big sign saying 'Welcome to Fosse Boys corner'.

There was a full agreement or charter signed between the club and the group which would have been the first in the country foirmally recognising an Ultra group and merchandise in the club shop. We were asked to self police ourselves with identified Fosse Boy stewards and there would have been an official emebership card for the group. Who knows what else we could have had.

Unfortunately some of the group didn't like the idea of being registered or self policing so it went wrong and once the tide turned it was too late.

There were mistakes on both sides but to be fair the club were supportive and actually quite progressive with the group but silly little things just got in the way.

Sounds like some members shot themselves in the foot a bit? Could relations/a similar plan be resurrected with the club do you feel? If they were willing to negotiate once...

[1964FOX]

Sounds like some members shot themselves in the foot a bit? Could relations/a similar plan be resurrected with the club do you feel? If they were willing to negotiate once...

KB took a lot of convincing last time and I'm not sure he would or could be convinced again and probably would want even more control It is of course a possibility you never know the Fosse Boys under another banner could happen but I feel it would be better for a group to naturally form and bed in a bit so the club is aware and happy with how they are functioning before formally approaching them for recognition and publicity if you like to help the numbers grow significantly.

Although the other thing to consider with a new group and I don't understand it to this day is the outright hostility from some fans towards the group just for being in existence.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Maybe everyone is too busy trying to remember the name of the board game they saw in the loo?

[Poakey]

Basically we had formal meetings with the club and agreed to form the group in SK1. There were things we didn't agree on but both sides said they would move on and a compromise would be sought. There is no doubt KB was apprehensive but I genuinely think we could have got he compromise we needed and with time slowly slipped in what we originally wanted. Problem was a few in the group were idealistic young lads who saw it as a fight against authority and would not compromise a bit. THis clearly caused bad relations and then underhand tactics from those involved on the clubs side.

As I have said with hindsight I should have taken more control with being older and more experienced to influence the group and push harder for compromise as I genuinely believe it could have worked and SK1 would have a huge Fosse Boys hoarding on the perspex (this was offered but turned down as they wanted it to be sponsored and some of the group objected - I know) and the stairs up to SK1 would have had Fosse Boy logo's and a big sign saying 'Welcome to Fosse Boys corner'.

There was a full agreement or charter signed between the club and the group which would have been the first in the country foirmally recognising an Ultra group and merchandise in the club shop. We were asked to self police ourselves with identified Fosse Boy stewards and there would have been an official emebership card for the group. Who knows what else we could have had.

Unfortunately some of the group didn't like the idea of being registered or self policing but the club needed to know who was in the group and we were allowed to occupy any seat within the section allocated so I understand the need for this. But the refusal to compromise frustrated the club so it went wrong and once the tide turned it was too late.

There were mistakes on both sides but to be fair the club were supportive and actually quite progressive with the group but silly little things just got in the way.

I must say alot of this surprises me, certainly opened my eyes.

[1964FOX]

I must say alot of this surprises me, certainly opened my eyes.

Basically at the time I was trying to act as a go between between club and group as I had involvement on both sides on the fence if you like. As a member of the group clearly I supported what they did but had to keep a neutralish stance to best facilitate the negotiations this stopped me influencing the group too much and clearly restricted what I could say openly about what both sides were doing.

Was there over zealous stewarding well yes but was there no will to compromise yes as well but the club had the power and was always going to win. I hope the lads involved have learned an important lesson in life about the way to get the things you want.