bmt Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 http://www.thesun.co...gland-U21s.html The punishment is more than £10,000 LESS than the fine handed to Nicklas Bendtner for showing his sponsored pants in Euro 2012. Young Lions Steven Caulker and Tom Ince have also been banned for their behaviour at the end of the match in Krusevac. Tottenham’s Caulker has been suspended for two games while Blackpool star Ince faces a one-match ban. UEFA have though forced the Serbia U21s to play their next competitive match behind closed doors. And their coaches Predrag Katic and Andreja Milutinovic have been handed two-year bans, with part of their sanctions suspended. Four Serbia players have also been given bans. Goran Causic for four games, Ognjen Mudrinski and Filip Malbasic for three games and Nikola Ninkovic for two matches Disgraceful.
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 http://www.thesun.co...gland-U21s.html Disgrace 2 coaches banned for 2 years and 4 players banned? That's pretty strong stuff. Didn't think they would get that, was expecting a £8,000 fine or something and some suspended sentence.
bmt Posted 13 December 2012 Author Posted 13 December 2012 2 coaches banned for 2 years and 4 players banned? That's pretty strong stuff. Didn't think they would get that, was expecting a £8,000 fine or something and some suspended sentence. The bans are decent but the fine is a joke amount even if more than the precedent they usually set and one match behind closed doors is a throwaway gesture. The fans should be punished properly.
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 The bans are decent but the fine is a joke amount even if more than the precedent they usually set and one match behind closed doors is a throwaway gesture. The fans should be punished properly. I dunno, I'm not in favour of banning thousands of fans for the behaviour of a couple of hundred at most. The England players didn't exactly cover theselves in glory that night either, Conor Wickham and Danny Rose's behaviour was terrible.
bmt Posted 13 December 2012 Author Posted 13 December 2012 I dunno, I'm not in favour of banning thousands of fans for the behaviour of a couple of hundred at most. The England players didn't exactly cover theselves in glory that night either, Conor Wickham and Danny Rose's behaviour was terrible. It didn't look or sound like a couple of hundred at most to me.
Ashley Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 If that was England we would be banned from all European action full stop. Fact.
Carl the Llama Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 If that was England we would be banned from all European action full stop. Fact. Putting the word fact at the end doesn't make it so.
Corky Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 If that was England we would be banned from all European action full stop. Fact. Really?
Dan Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 Ashley's on the right lines though, not saying that'd be the exact punishment but it would certainly be heavier if we'd racially abused them and intimidated their players in that kind of fashion. The coaches' punishment is strong but are they really the main ones at fault? Laughable stuff as expected. International football's hitting the shitter just like the majority of things football related while the shots are called by absolute cvnts.
Corky Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 I doubt we'll know, because we've made great strides on this issue, but I don't think we'd be banned at all levels.
Ashley Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 Not all levels but we would face some kind of ban no doubt. Uefa/Fifa hate England footballing wise.
purpleronnie Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 People still cling to the myth that we'd receive harsher penalties...with no evidence to back that claim up.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 People still cling to the myth that we'd receive harsher penalties...with no evidence to back that claim up. FACT!
Ashley Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 People still cling to the myth that we'd receive harsher penalties...with no evidence to back that claim up. By people.. This being aimed at me well.. There is enough evidence out there. For one football violence how many times have we been threatened of being thrown out of tournaments? Other nations are violent are tournaments.. Nothing gets said.
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 By people.. This being aimed at me well.. There is enough evidence out there. For one football violence how many times have we been threatened of being thrown out of tournaments? Other nations are violent are tournaments.. Nothing gets said. One? We were smashing up town centres in every tournament from the mid 80's to 2002. I was at a couple of them , was absolute carnage. UEFA have been pretty lenient with us over the years, despite what we've done I actually can't ever remember us getting fined. Now we've decided to become the World's moral policeman on racism we seem to think we can demand every other sanction on every other country in the World. Forget the fact our country bombed the fcuk out of the Serbians for a few years whilst we had that war criminal Blair in charge that left thousands of innocent men, women and children dead, we now want them heavily punished because a minority of their fans made some monkey noises. No wonder the rest of Europe sees us the way they do.
Corky Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 By people.. This being aimed at me well.. There is enough evidence out there. For one football violence how many times have we been threatened of being thrown out of tournaments? Other nations are violent are tournaments.. Nothing gets said. We've not been the best behaved at tournaments. There were incidents in Euro 96, especially after the semi-final. And do you remember the water canons at Euro 2000 to quell our support?
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2012 Posted 13 December 2012 We've not been the best behaved at tournaments. There were incidents in Euro 96, especially after the semi-final. And do you remember the water canons at Euro 2000 to quell our support? Italia 90 and France 98 were the worst, France 98 there must have been 5,000 English fighting the Arabs on the beaches at one point.
Guest MattP Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Oh and not to mention one of our supporters murdered a Welshman at a game last year as well..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16281868 God job he didnt make monkey noises at him, would have been all over the news.
ozleicester Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 People still cling to the myth that we'd receive harsher penalties...with no evidence to back that claim up. and Leicester are always treated worse by referees, it never evens out. FUCT! The bans look, on the surface to be fair and justified...whether they go down on appeal etc will be interesting. The fine is irrelevant, how much would have made any difference? I think a ban from the tournament wouldve been reasonable
Tielemans63 Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 These punishments are actually harsher than I expected - which says a lot about how indifferent they have been when dealing with racist incidents.
AyewJoking Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 when it comes to punishing racism, fifa needs to be black and white about it, rather than just yellow.
Les-TA-Jon Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Racism is one of the biggest challenges in football - and one that is being woefully dealt with - this issue just highlights that. The problems are as follows: 1 - Lack of political will to do anything about it from the people at the top of the game 2 - Lack of pressure from those at the bottom of the game 3 - Totally disproportionate and ineffectual sanctions, and targeted incorrectly 1. For racism to be effectively tackled within the game, first you need to have political will to bring about that change from those at the top of the game – namely the head honchos at FIFA and UEFA – Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini. There’s your first problem. Neither of these has demonstrated that they recognise racism as a problem in football, and most definitely no desire to tackle it. Examples of their actions that demonstrate it: Sepp Blatter – “Racism can be solved with a handshake†Michel Platini – Claimed that whilst racism is a problem in society it will always be a problem in football. Well let’s unpack that statement a bit – firstly, even if that is true, surely he should at least be looking after his own patch? And trying to tackle racism in European football? He can’t just wash his hands of it and claim that it’s society’s fault. Secondly, football and society aren’t two completely disjointed things. They’re not mutally exclusive; it’s not one or the other. Football forms part of society. Therefore if you eradicate racism from football, you have eradicated a part of it from society. You will have promoted more open mindedness and liberal thinking. This will spread into wider society in time. (To be fair to Platini though he’s just come out saying that he will appeal for stronger sanctions) If racism is to be effectively tackled those at the top of the game with the most power will have to step up. 2 – Responsibility also lies on those stakeholders towards the bottom of the game too though. And those are fans and clubs. Fans need to do far more to self regulate and self police. Fans need to report those amongst them that participate in abusive and racist behaviour whilst in and around the ground. Equally clubs need to do far more to engage with their supporters to try and eradicate this sort of behaviour from their fanbase. 3 – And this is where it all ties together. Sanctions, fines and punishments have all been very ineffectual and disproportionately small. They are also very inconsistent: - £16,700 to Porto for their fans' racist abuse during the Europa League match against Manchester City. - £32,500 to Lazio following racist chanting during a Europa League game against Tottenham. - £24,735 to Manchester City for being one minute late back onto the pitch after half-time against Porto. - £80,000 to Denmark striker Nicklas Bendtner for revealing a sponsor's logo on his underpants during Euro 2012. - £65,000 to Serbian FA There is so much money in football now that none of these fines represent anything close to punishment. But what’s worse is that there is clearly no strategy in place behind the punishments. The governing bodies are merely giving a slap on the wrist in order to be seen to be doing something about it. Just think about why any such body gives out such punishments in the first place? Surely the ideal behind them should be deterring future discretions? Currently, with these woefully small fines that isn’t happening. Additionally the sanctions are completely missing their targets: Who’s being fined? The FAs. Who’s committing the crime? The fans. They should be aiming to genuinely ‘dis-incentivise’ fans from partaking in racist abuse. The ways you could do this is twofold: 1 – Increase the fines to the extent that the FAs or clubs are themselves incentivised to act and engage with their fans in order to bring about a change in culture, thus reducing the chance of racist activity 2 – Introduce alternative punishments that directly affect the fans – i.e points deductions/games behind closed doors/tournament expulsions Now the problems here are, that there is so much money in football. Even bigger fines wouldn’t do it, not when you’ve got clubs spending £30m+ on players and £100,000+ on wages per week. Yes there are smaller clubs and FAs out their, with less money, but that only makes the fines even more unsuited, as monetary fines for those will be a more effective deterrent, than those larger clubs/FAs. But it turns out that there is a single thing in football that means the same no matter where you are in the world, no matter how much money you’ve got, whether you’re in the premier league or the non league – POINTS. This is why these sorts of punishments from now on should be as described above. Clubs and FAs care about money, but they really care about points and success – and so do fans. It’s the one thing that everyone, from FAs, Clubs, Managers, Players and Fans all have an equal stake in. Therefore it would really get fans self policing, clubs engaging and working hard to reduce racism and it would get FAs getting serious on tackling the issue. But unfortunately that’s not the world we live in. It’s the 21st century, 2012 and 1 man will get a bigger fine for showing his pants, than a whole FA, Team and set of fans will get for violently racially abusing a set of black players.
notnow john Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Michel Platini has cut short his stay in Japanand is heading home amidst the growing furore over the lenient sentences handed out by uefa. Whilst waiting for his flight from Tokyo airport,an enraged Platini said ," this has made us look weak in the eyes of world football, I left strict instructions the entire English team were to be banned.
Leicfox Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 England U21's Steven Caulker has had his ban overturned while Tom Ince's suspension remains as a result of their appeal following last year's trouble in Serbia.
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