UKIP Candidate calls for abortion of disabled Foetuses

[Rincewind]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/18/ukip-geoffrey-clark-compulsory-disability-abortion-_n_2322798.html?ncid=webmail1

[Jon the Hat]

What an ignorant ****.

[lavrentis]

Been sacked now

[ithuriel]

We are given the impression that politicians are smart intellectuals who would be doing far better things for loads of cash if they were not so public minded as to take a small ammount of public cash to manage us poor plebs.

A good number though strangely appear to be ignorant money grabbing incompetents, finely dressed chavs or just plain thieving criminals hiding behind laws they help to make, or perhaps i just get the wrong impression :xmasunsure:

[Dan]

That's nazi-esque stuff. Shocking.

[Mark_w]

What a ****.

[Zingari]

We are given the impression that politicians are smart intellectuals who would be doing far better things for loads of cash if they were not so public minded as to take a small ammount of public cash to manage us poor plebs.

A good number though strangely appear to be ignorant money grabbing incompetents, finely dressed chavs or just plain thieving criminals hiding behind laws they help to make, or perhaps i just get the wrong impression :xmasunsure:

exactly

[MattyFromLE]

Really really struggle to understand how these sort of people are allowed to breathe, let alone represent a Political party thriving to one day be in power. New level of ignorance.

[Captain...]

We are given the impression that politicians are smart intellectuals who would be doing far better things for loads of cash if they were not so public minded as to take a small ammount of public cash to manage us poor plebs.

A good number though strangely appear to be ignorant money grabbing incompetents, finely dressed chavs or just plain thieving criminals hiding behind laws they help to make, or perhaps i just get the wrong impression :xmasunsure:

Where in god's name did you get that idea from?

Smart intellectuals stay the fvck away from politics, they can make more money with less hassle doing almost anything else.

[glenny_fox]

What a moron!

The only reasonable explanation (apart from him being a twat) is that he had bin on an all night bender, then decided to write it.

[Zingari]

Sometimes I think there are shills sent in purposely to discredit alternative parties .

[Captain...]

Weeeeellllllll, it is clearly a stupid thing to say, but is it such a stupid idea? Now bear with me on this, I am not advocating the enforced abortion of anyone, but at some point we have to confront the reality that there are too many human beings on the planet and we will not be able to cope, resources are becoming scarcer and it wouldn't take much to seriously threaten the current status quo, and when the shit hits the fan it will become survival of the fittest.

So should we be looking at population and birth control, should we be encouraging people to take more thought and control over how and when we have kids, should people who are genetically predisposed to a high risk of having genetically damaged children be encouraged to adopt rather than risk having kids that are unable to handle themselves.

My point is we shouldn't demonise people for aborting children that will be born disabled, for the improvement of the species we should perhaps look to encourage it.

I don't agree that it should be mandatory to abort foetuses that show disabilities, and unfortunately he phrased it in such a twattish way that he has probably set any open debate or discussion on such issues back, but it is something we shouldn't be afraid to talk about.

[Finnegan]

Sometimes I think there are shills sent in purposely to discredit alternative parties .

Or just some people are morons? No matter their political affiliation.

Every six months there's a story about some MP saying something stupid. Some are mainstream, some aren't.

[James.]

My point is we shouldn't demonise people for aborting children that will be born disabled, for the improvement of the species we should perhaps look to encourage it.

I don't see how a species that aborts foetuses to avoid being born disabled can ever consider itself to be "improved" but then I guess we may have different views on what is considered to be an improvement.

[Zingari]

Or just some people are morons? No matter their political affiliation.

Every six months there's a story about some MP saying something stupid. Some are mainstream, some aren't.

Maybe so , I've just got a very suspicious nature I suppose .

Politics and power mongering is a very dirty business and I wouldn't put anything past them.

And I mean "anything"

[Captain...]

I don't see how a species that aborts foetuses to avoid being born disabled can ever consider itself to be "improved" but then I guess we may have different views on what is considered to be an improvement.

Darwin and genetics, survival of the fittest, imagine a situation where life is hard and tough resources scarce and you have to fight for every morsel.

[Zingari]

Darwin and genetics, survival of the fittest, imagine a situation where life is hard and tough resources scarce and you have to fight for every morsel.

I know , I've actually lived in St Matthews

[Finnegan]

Maybe so , I've just got a very suspicious nature I suppose .

Politics and power mongering is a very dirty business and I wouldn't put anything past them.

And I mean "anything"

It is a dirty game but you don't need to plant a mole to discredit a party. Far easier to wait for an inevitable slip from an inexperienced backbencher or even an unelected candidate and then make sure your press office leans on the right journo to print it.

[James.]

Darwin and genetics, survival of the fittest, imagine a situation where life is hard and tough resources scarce and you have to fight for every morsel.

I knew you meant improvement from an evolutionary perspective but I think a lot of that will happen naturally regardless. I would rather a society that balanced genetic evolution with morality, at least while I'm around anyway.

[Zingari]

It is a dirty game but you don't need to plant a mole to discredit a party. Far easier to wait for an inevitable slip from an inexperienced backbencher or even an unelected candidate and then make sure your press office leans on the right journo to print it.

Yeah , you're probably right

Maybe i'm giving them too much credibility to actually instigate it themselves .

[BunkMoreland]

I do like the idea of a bit of eugenics. Obviously setting out with full-on genocide in mind is a little strong for these heavily mothered times, but looking at the whole pie it's not hard to see how the the potential benefits to future generations far outweigh the initial ethical concerns. So to me there is nothing particularly wrong with what he has suggested. I can understand why some people might not like it but the logic is sound and these kind of ideas should be allowed to be aired without the person being sacked imo.

[Captain...]

I knew you meant improvement from an evolutionary perspective but I think a lot of that will happen naturally regardless. I would rather a society that balanced genetic evolution with morality, at least while I'm around anyway.

But is it moral to bring a disabled child into that world knowing that it would suffer and be unable to fend for itself?

[Captain...]

I do like the idea of a bit of eugenics. Obviously setting out with full-on genocide in mind is a little strong for these heavily mothered times, but looking at the whole pie it's not hard to see how the the potential benefits to future generations far outweigh the initial ethical concerns. So to me there is nothing particularly wrong with what he has suggested. I can understand why some people might not like it but the logic is sound and these kind of ideas should be allowed to be aired without the person being sacked imo.

Well if he represents their party but his views are not shared by the party then he should be sacked from the party, he can still be a politician. If a Tory party member started saying his personal manifesto would be to feed the poor from the plates of the rich, he would be sacked just as quickly.

[BunkMoreland]

Well if he represents their party but his views are not shared by the party then he should be sacked from the party, he can still be a politician. If a Tory party member started saying his personal manifesto would be to feed the poor from the plates of the rich, he would be sacked just as quickly.

They're allowed their own opinions though as it says in the article. They defended him initially but now appear to have sacked him based on the reaction of the dim chattering classes, which is a pretty weak move from a party in their position.

[ithuriel]

Weeeeellllllll, it is clearly a stupid thing to say, but is it such a stupid idea? Now bear with me on this, I am not advocating the enforced abortion of anyone, but at some point we have to confront the reality that there are too many human beings on the planet and we will not be able to cope, resources are becoming scarcer and it wouldn't take much to seriously threaten the current status quo, and when the shit hits the fan it will become survival of the fittest.

So should we be looking at population and birth control, should we be encouraging people to take more thought and control over how and when we have kids, should people who are genetically predisposed to a high risk of having genetically damaged children be encouraged to adopt rather than risk having kids that are unable to handle themselves.

My point is we shouldn't demonise people for aborting children that will be born disabled, for the improvement of the species we should perhaps look to encourage it.

I don't agree that it should be mandatory to abort foetuses that show disabilities, and unfortunately he phrased it in such a twattish way that he has probably set any open debate or discussion on such issues back, but it is something we shouldn't be afraid to talk about.

The reason we do not go that route is because it is a slippery slope, as you well know .

Once you decide certain foetuses should be aborted by the state, how long before you start adding to the list of things that are found to be undesirable and then of course you will get parents who will go underground to avoid losing their child and who will become criminals in the eyes of the state.

Those that slip through, are they to be terminated or put into camps well out of public view?

History has shown us what can happen when poeple in power start to go down that route and disabilities are seen as an abomination to be euthanised instead of perhaps using the knowledge our species has garnered thus far to find cures or technology to help.

I wonder what Stephen Hawking might have to say if asked?