davieG Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 More at - http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21937188 Young drivers could face a curfew as part of government efforts to prevent accidents and reduce "sky-high" insurance premiums.They could also be made to spend a year learning before taking their tests.And after they pass, their "probation period", during which six - rather than the usual 12 - penalty points results in disqualification, could be extended.A fifth of road accidents resulting in death or serious injury involve drivers under the age of 24.
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 I used to find I was less tempted to take risks when driving if I dumped some hormones (also known as masterbating) directly before heading out behind the wheel. It's great for your prostate too. It's enjoyable and it saves lives so it shouldn't be frowned upon, it should be encouraged at an early age
MooseBreath Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Masturbate hard before driving, says driving instructer Mothers reacted with outrage today as a renown driving instructer from Coventry admitted that he encourages his students to masturbate before taking the wheel. Jon Steader, 37, said "I encourage them to take ten minutes in the back seat to just wank themselves silly. Calms them right down and makes them better drivers. "Both girls and boys can benefit. I have a collection of dildos and vibrators in the back. Don't mind the lads using them, as long as they clean them after mind." Claims that Mr Steader secretly records the students masturbating were denied. "I don't record them, no, not usually. Some of them require assistance with their technique, so I'm on hand to lend a finger when required. I am an instructed after all." Local mother. Beatrice Beatwhistle, 29, was furious, "aint nobody wanking my baby but herself and her poppa. Mr Steader ain't got no right to be watching them girls and boys in that car. He got them cameras and I seen some of the films on xvideos." Father, Ken Duddle, 61, continued "it's true, the vids are on xvideos, just search candid driving lessons. Well good. What can I say, Mr Steader is right, I've been wanking to his videos all week and I've not been in one accident."
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Not a bad idea (the curfew, not the wanking). There's plenty of ways to tackle accident rates amongst young drivers though. I don't understand why to have a full-powered motorcycle you have to jump through all these hoops (in short, be 21 and have held a full license for at least 2 years, or take one test after your 24th birthday) but a kid with rich enough parents can have a Ferrari at 17 years old. Mental. The points reduction is a good idea - 6 points and you're out. IIRC in Australia is 1 point and you have to retake your test, which would probably help
Fox92 Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 The stats are against 'us', but like in everything, it's not everyone. I've had my car for a year now (had my license for three years) and have never drove erratically. I do my best to get from a to b safely, especially if I have passengers. I'm personally more impressed with careful driving that gets me there safe and on time, than irresponsible and inconsistent driving where the driver seems to need to go fast to impress (which we can all do where appropriate). Just hate it that once someone (or some people) does something, everyone gets penalised for it. The cost of insurance doesn't really matter (even though it prevented me because I couldn't afford it before a job) because if someone wants to drive, they will.
StanSP Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Not happy that all young drivers will be lumped in to this. Not to sound all high and mighty, but since passing my test at 17, I've been driving for 4 years and 3 months and not had one accident or incident to report. I'm sure others are in the same situation and have a totally clean license with no points or claims on insurance etc. What will I do when I have to drive home from Leicester on a Friday night (cos our Saturday game got moved) but I can't because of a silly generalised curfew?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 I think the idea of having a disqualification of license at 6 pts instead of 12 for under 25s would be good as it doesn't penalise the good drivers. A curfew would be largely ignored and difficult to police.
AdamN Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Surely this only highlights the fact that the driving test isn't fit for purpose. If you have to tell certain people to stay off the road in order to reduce accidents, then you have to question why those people are allowed on the road in the first place.
ADK Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 I'd be in support of this, the primary reason for under 24's to own a car ought to be to get to work, if this brings down accident rates it will make insurance premiums affordable.
pSinatra Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 I wouldn't mind a curfew on twats with big-bore exhausts & whiny turbos
yorkie1999 Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Why can't someone bring out a car that only goes 40mph, like mopeds, and make it so the insurance on it is very cheap.
Fox92 Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 I'd be in support of this, the primary reason for under 24's to own a car ought to be to get to work, if this brings down accident rates it will make insurance premiums affordable. Why should it?
StanSP Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 I'd be in support of this, the primary reason for under 24's to own a car ought to be to get to work, if this brings down accident rates it will make insurance premiums affordable. What if that youngster's job entails working night shifts? Should he be forced to take public transport to do get to/from work instead?
ADK Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 What if that youngster's job entails working night shifts? Should he be forced to take public transport to do get to/from work instead? I don't know how this works in other countries with similar schemes but i would say there should be a way for them to be exempt when travelling from/to a place of work.
ADK Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Why should it? Because work is more important than leisure, both to the individual and society as a whole.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 I'd be in support of this, the primary reason for under 24's to own a car ought to be to get to work, if this brings down accident rates it will make insurance premiums affordable. Surely more (non-alcohol-related) accidents happen in rush hour than 2 AM when the streets are empty. I used to drive between Ratby and my mate's student flat after midnight all the time and the only way I was going to crash is if I stopped looking long enough to miss a bend in the road.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 I saw a thing on Panorama (I think) a few years ago. The accident rate has little to do with insurance premiums. The bigger problem is ambulance-chasers who encourage drivers to trump up false whiplash claims for the compensation. This won't stop that.
davieG Posted 27 March 2013 Author Posted 27 March 2013 Surely this only highlights the fact that the driving test isn't fit for purpose. If you have to tell certain people to stay off the road in order to reduce accidents, then you have to question why those people are allowed on the road in the first place. They don't test peoples attitudes and i'm not sure they could. I'd be in support of this, the primary reason for under 24's to own a car ought to be to get to work, if this brings down accident rates it will make insurance premiums affordable. It's a sledge hammer to crack a nut, by the time i was 24 I'd been in full employment since i was 16, was married had 2 kids, owned a house with a mortgage not being able to drive outside work hours would have been intolerable. Shopping, visiting parents and other relatives, holidays not forgetting numerous other social activities for adults and children. It's a silly, impractical idea.
purpleronnie Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 They don't test peoples attitudes and i'm not sure they could. It's a sledge hammer to crack a nut, by the time i was 24 I'd been in full employment since i was 16, was married had 2 kids, owned a house with a mortgage not being able to drive outside work hours would have been intolerable. Shopping, visiting parents and other relatives, holidays not forgetting numerous other social activities for adults and children. It's a silly, impractical idea. definately, surprised people think this is a good idea....baffling.
Fox92 Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Because work is more important than leisure, both to the individual and society as a whole. Then you're denying the chance for someone like me (never done anything wrong, see my post as well as StanSP's) to do something other than work. These statistics of young drivers causing accidents are released all the time, something I'm not rejecting, but then what about other people? Over 80's? People who drive while under the influence of drugs (including alcohol)? Something's other than work are essential in our lives as well, which are all classed as 'leisure'... getting to uni, getting to the football, visiting family, going out shopping etc.
ADK Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Surely more (non-alcohol-related) accidents happen in rush hour than 2 AM when the streets are empty. I used to drive between Ratby and my mate's student flat after midnight all the time and the only way I was going to crash is if I stopped looking long enough to miss a bend in the road. http://www.roadsafe.... statistics.pdf My interpretations: Young drivers are more likely statistically to cause accidents and therefore getting them off the roads where possible is going to reduce accidents and insurance premiums, the same could be said for all road users but young drivers are a particular risk. Young driver accident rates are much higher at night than other driver groups even taking into account their higher general accident rates, therefore you can conclude young drivers are a particular danger. They don't test peoples attitudes and i'm not sure they could. It's a sledge hammer to crack a nut, by the time i was 24 I'd been in full employment since i was 16, was married had 2 kids, owned a house with a mortgage not being able to drive outside work hours would have been intolerable. Shopping, visiting parents and other relatives, holidays not forgetting numerous other social activities for adults and children. It's a silly, impractical idea. I think a blanket set of restrictions up until 24 could be too restrictive. I don't remember how the Canadian system works exactly but i think a strong driving record can see you have the restrictions lifted sooner.
ADK Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Then you're denying the chance for someone like me (never done anything wrong, see my post as well as StanSP's) to do something other than work. These statistics of young drivers causing accidents are released all the time, something I'm not rejecting, but then what about other people? Over 80's? People who drive while under the influence of drugs (including alcohol)? Something's other than work are essential in our lives as well, which are all classed as 'leisure'... getting to uni, getting to the football, visiting family, going out shopping etc. You are still able to drive, just not after a certain time of day.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 You are still able to drive, just not after a certain time of day. Oh, that's alright then(!). Persecution has never been a good basis for legislation and never will be. Looks like your little graph party proved me right, too. So how about we ban those pesky kids from driving between 8-10 and 4-8 so you can have your utopian roads full of manchild middle managers driving their Audis at 10-20 mph above the speed limit?
theessexfox Posted 27 March 2013 Posted 27 March 2013 Stats about young drivers on the road at night are obviously going to be influenced by drink driving and such accidents..
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