Thatcher Dies

[flowwolf]

Couldn't stand Thatcher or what she stood for. She did some good when this country needed firm leadership but a huge amount of bad. She ripped apart communities that subsiquently led to social unrest and unpheaval, of which we still see the results of in poor social and personal morality today. Our manufacturing base was crushed, our assets sold, and a few capitalised quite handsomely whilst the most vulnerable lost out. With her spin she deemed financial input into the socially owned industries as subsidisation yet it was investment when talking about privately owned industries. Some called it progression - well if that means more money in the pockets of some but a wider gap between the rich and the poor whilst also lower standard of goodwill and citizenship then I call it regression. She taught self preservation and greed rather than bonhomie - perhaps if she had read the New Testament she may have been a little different. She was very fortunate with the Falklands/Malvinas and very fortunate with a general upturn in the western world economy (just as, conversely, Labour were unfortunate with inflation and OPEC quadrupling the price of oil in the early 70's).

I'm sure she believed she was doing what was right for the good of the country but I believe she placed the greed of those with the most influence/power/money above the needs of the majority.

For many,Thatcher stands with a strong image of Britishness right wing - she would have protected our borders, rid us of "dole scum", reduced "benefit scroungers", however, the reality was that she changed the mechanism of calculting those unemployed some 21 times in her first few years of power. "Labour isn't working" she said - so she used "lies, damn lies, and statistics" (coing a phrase) to reassure a confused voting audience. As for the borders , well this goes hand in hand with the EU and economically we would have been left behind without our partneship in the old EEC. EDL types with staffies will champion her through rose tinted glasses but they are the hoodwinked disenfranchised all too eager to vent their frustration without the will or inteligence to question. They are like dogs seated at the feet of their masters and feeding off the crumbs that fall from the table yet fiercefully loyal to a master that breed inequallty. Being proud of your nation or patriotic doesn't go hand in hand with Thatcher, The Union Flag , or The Queen; it goes with a celebration of the people of our county and its diversities; it is the people that make a nation.

I am glad that Thatcher no longer has a politcal platform and I take no interest in the overreaction and pomp of her funeral BUT I will certainly not celebrate her death or protest. She has families and friends and respect still needs to be shown in a dignified manner. I hope that today passes without problem and with some dignity and that way there will less attention to Thatcher and we can move on.

While I agree with much you have said it is easy to see things today as apposed to how it was before she took power. Make no mistake this country was in a dire position through years of Labour mismanagement. Unions bullying left right and center calling strikes at the drop of a hat. Coal miners threatening to bring down any government who would not seed to their ridiculous wage demands. Streets pile head hight with uncollect rubbish , power cuts , three day week to mention just a few of issues that blighted this country in the seventies.

It is very fashionable these days for young people in particular to demonise the Maggie Thatcher years because that is what they have been taught to believe , having no first hand knowledge due to their age.

But if they were old enough to remember the mess this country was in prior to her tenure they would perhaps realise what had to be done and that she had the strength and intellect to do it.

But no one stands up and admits that she was the kick up the arse this country needed at the time, but obviously three terms of office means the electorate of the time did.

[flowwolf]

I can only presume the other side says "but too cowardly to show my face".

You don't need to be on any side to recognise that fact.

[Babylon]

You don't need to be on any side to recognise that fact.

I meant the other side of the sign not either side of the issues.

[Finnegan]

So happy it all went off without incident.

Eyes of the World were on that and it would have looked terrible had we seen things being thrown etc.

Instead it was thousands upon thousands of people applauding and three cheers when the coffin came out, perfect way to go.

I'm out the thread now.

RIP Mrs Thatcher, thank you for everything you did for my family and everything you did for my country.

****ing cringeworthy.

(for parity's sakes, so are the students with that ridiculous ban.)

[Burmesefox]

While I agree with much you have said it is easy to see things today as apposed to how it was before she took power. Make no mistake this country was in a dire position through years of Labour mismanagement. Unions bullying left right and center calling strikes at the drop of a hat. Coal miners threatening to bring down any government who would not seed to their ridiculous wage demands. Streets pile head hight with uncollect rubbish , power cuts , three day week to mention just a few of issues that blighted this country in the seventies.

It is very fashionable these days for young people in particular to demonise the Maggie Thatcher years because that is what they have been taught to believe , having no first hand knowledge due to their age.

But if they were old enough to remember the mess this country was in prior to her tenure they would perhaps realise what had to be done and that she had the strength and intellect to do it.

But no one stands up and admits that she was the kick up the arse this country needed at the time, but obviously three terms of office means the electorate of the time did.

Flow, I totally agree that she did some good (as I stated in my opening lines) but as you can imagine being (very slighty left of centre) I did not give mention to these deeds.Her success came in her impressive strength and ultimately she significantly reduced the power of the unions (which was required). I too lived through the 70's and 80's and remember all the things you refer to. I think that there are far more Thatcherites amongst the yonger generation than you give credence; just walk into Eaton, Harrow or anyt fee paying school - she'll be popular there. Just as within EDL/BNP wannabies.

[Captain...]

While I agree with much you have said it is easy to see things today as apposed to how it was before she took power. Make no mistake this country was in a dire position through years of Labour mismanagement. Unions bullying left right and center calling strikes at the drop of a hat. Coal miners threatening to bring down any government who would not seed to their ridiculous wage demands. Streets pile head hight with uncollect rubbish , power cuts , three day week to mention just a few of issues that blighted this country in the seventies.

It is very fashionable these days for young people in particular to demonise the Maggie Thatcher years because that is what they have been taught to believe , having no first hand knowledge due to their age.

But if they were old enough to remember the mess this country was in prior to her tenure they would perhaps realise what had to be done and that she had the strength and intellect to do it.

But no one stands up and admits that she was the kick up the arse this country needed at the time, but obviously three terms of office means the electorate of the time did.

You are right the country did need a kick up the arse and there was probably no better politician to do so than Maggie, unfortunately after she kicked the country up the arse, she proceeded to put it in a headlock, push it down onto the floor and then gave it a good kicking.

[flowwolf]

I meant the other side of the sign not either side of the issues.

Sorry got a tad paranoid ! :D

[Burmesefox]

You are right the country did need a kick up the arse and there was probably no better politician to do so than Maggie, unfortunately after she kicked the country up the arse, she proceeded to put it in a headlock, push it down onto the floor and then gave it a good kicking.

Spot fvcking on!..........and made me laugh too. I actually hope to remember that quote for life. Can I cite you CPF? In fact, I want to put that on my fb page.

[flowwolf]

Flow, I totally agree that she did some good (as I stated in my opening lines) but as you can imagine being (very slighty left of centre) I did not give mention to these deeds.Her success came in her impressive strength and ultimately she significantly reduced the power of the unions (which was required). I too lived through the 70's and 80's and remember all the things you refer to. I think that there are far more Thatcherites amongst the yonger generation than you give credence; just walk into Eaton, Harrow or anyt fee paying school - she'll be popular there. Just as within EDL/BNP wannabies.

Fair play to you mate you have evened it up with this post and to be equaly fair she did go well beyond her remit which ultimately lead to her downfall. I just like to see some equanimity shown that's all.

[flowwolf]

You are right the country did need a kick up the arse and there was probably no better politician to do so than Maggie, unfortunately after she kicked the country up the arse, she proceeded to put it in a headlock, push it down onto the floor and then gave it a good kicking.

Yes I agree with you. It's just that it all seems a one sided view now a days with absolutley no refference to the good she did when first in power. But then again the Lefty among us are very good at selective memory.

[purpleronnie]

But that tends to me the same with the right, most not mentioning the mistakes she made.

[Captain...]

Spot fvcking on!..........and made me laugh too. I actually hope to remember that quote for life. Can I cite you CPF? In fact, I want to put that on my fb page.

Feel free to use it, I probably subconsciously stole it from someone else.

[Trav Le Bleu]

****ing cringeworthy.

(for parity's sakes, so are the students with that ridiculous ban.)

Aye, it's up there with "let them eat cake" (yeah, I know, it's brioche and all that, but still.)

[Deucalion]

What I don't get is why people so staggeringly successful as some on here claim spend half their lives spouting drivel on Foxestalk?

Surely they would be too busy managing their business, or trading, or some other such wealth generating activity to be concerned about what us mere mortal have to say?

Why do I get more the impression of Walter Mitty than Donald Trump?

[MC Prussian]

She's been officially been waved goodbye now. Can the UK start to tackle the real issues from here on?

[Bellend Sebastian]

What I don't get is why people so staggeringly successful as some on here claim spend half their lives spouting drivel on Foxestalk?

I've rarely been busier, but I have a duty to my public

[Burmesefox]

Yes I agree with you. It's just that it all seems a one sided view now a days with absolutley no refference to the good she did when first in power. But then again the Lefty among us are very good at selective memory.

That's the problem though - anyone deamed to be anti-Thatcher is immediately referred to as a lefty when in fact they are often still on the right of the political spectrum. It's like I cannot stand the idea of a monarchy (I will fight for my country but not for that queen who currently sits as head of state) and so people jump to the conclusion that I am unpatriotic.

[Burmesefox]

What I don't get is why people so staggeringly successful as some on here claim spend half their lives spouting drivel on Foxestalk?

Surely they would be too busy managing their business, or trading, or some other such wealth generating activity to be concerned about what us mere mortal have to say?

Why do I get more the impression of Walter Mitty than Donald Trump?

I think your measuring success by financial status and importance in the workplace, try using hapiness/love/friendship etc.

[Burmesefox]

BTW, we are talking about Ben Thatcher here aren't we?

[Deucalion]

I think your measuring success by financial status and importance in the workplace, try using hapiness/love/friendship etc.

My point is, a fair few on here who claim to be this and that and love Thatcher are probably bull pooping fantasists.

I don't get the impression of great intelligence, sharp thinkers or great motivators from the standard of their posts.

I bet a fair few of the supposed poor lefties on here are more intelligent, better off and more important than the tripe spouting usual suspects.

They probably live in their bought council house and think that makes them rich.

[Burmesefox]

My point is, a fair few on here who claim to be this and that and love Thatcher are probably bull pooping fantasists.

I don't get the impression of great intelligence, sharp thinkers or great motivators from the standard of their posts.

I bet a fair few of the supposed poor lefties on here are more intelligent, better off and more important than the tripe spouting usual suspects.

They probably live in their bought council house and think that makes them rich.

sorry I think I misunderstood your post. Fair point made through clarification.

[l444ry]

At least good old Morrissey is in good form today!

†On the day that nine British citizens are arrested in Trafalgar Square for voicing their objections to the Baroness, the BBC News instead offer their opening platform to Carol Thatcher, a dumped non-star of I’m a celebrity get me out of here, and to Sir Mark Thatcher (Sir!), unseen since the disgrace of his involvement in selling arms to countries at odds with Britain (magically, he avoided a 15-year prison term and was financially bailed out by his mother – her moral conscience nowhere in sight as Sir Mark patriotically took his 64 million and fled to Gibraltar having been refused entry to Switzerland and Monaco. What kind of mother raised such a son?) Both Mark and Carol get the BBC spotlight because they mourn their mother’s death, whilst those honest civilians who mourn Thatcher’s life are shunted out of view. This is how we see Syrian TV operate, and this is most certainly NOT a week when David Cameron will advise: “hug a hoodie.â€

†Thatcher could never show sympathy, or empathy, or understanding to those from whom David Cameron is now demanding a show of civil respect for a woman who, like Myra Hindley, proved to all of us that the female could be just as cruel as the male.â€

Bravo.

[Guest Bilo]

Morrissey not talking complete bollocks has to be the big story of the day year decade.

[l444ry]

Morrissey not talking complete bollocks has to be the big story of the day year decade.

Why not offer the counter-argument then? Why not point to other facts that make a different argument?

[Guest Bilo]

Why not offer the counter-argument then? Why not point to other facts that make a different argument?

Jesus Christ, you really have no sense of humour at all do you?