purpleronnie Posted 21 April 2013 Posted 21 April 2013 If people must emigrate, Australia is the way forward. nah thanks.
Captain... Posted 21 April 2013 Posted 21 April 2013 If people must emigrate, Australia is the way forward. Beautiful coastline and weird and wonderful wildlife, but culturally vacant and too vast and empty in the middle, long way to get anywhere. On the scenery debate, the difference with NZ was in the South Island, just non stop stunning views, it was like driving through the postcard rack at a tourist office, yes the UK has some stunning scenery but not as much and not as accessible, there are also some unique geographical features, such as the glaciers and the volcanic activity in the North. I'm not saying you can't find beautiful scenery in the UK, but in NZ you can't miss it. I've been to many different countries and New Zealand instantly felt like a place I would love to live.
ballso Posted 21 April 2013 Posted 21 April 2013 +1 on what people have said about new zealand. i travelled through there for a month last year, taking in both islands (via the kiwi experience, which was awesome!) and it's the most beautiful place i've ever been. at some points, especially during the south island, it felt like we were seeing something beautiful, a lake or a mountain for example, around every single corner of the road. the people are so nice and friendly, too. going back to the original topic of emigrating though, for me i'm open minded on it. i've done the whole travelling thing and it does broaden your horizons and make you realise what else is out there. but it also really made me appreciate england, which i wasn't really expecting. saying that, i am hoping to go to new zealand, possibly later on this year, to work for a year. i might even do a year working in australia at some point too, whilst i'm still young enough and still have no major ties over here. basically, i want to see what it's like and i want the experience. i think then i'll know more about whether emigrating would be something i'd be game for or not. i reckon nowadays it's a lot easier to emigrate, especially with things like skype and social networking. i know it isn't the same as physically being able to pop around to see your parents or whatever, but you can still talk to people daily and stuff, and that does help bridge the distance i think.
z-layrex Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 +1 on what people have said about new zealand. i travelled through there for a month last year, taking in both islands (via the kiwi experience, which was awesome!) and it's the most beautiful place i've ever been. at some points, especially during the south island, it felt like we were seeing something beautiful, a lake or a mountain for example, around every single corner of the road. the people are so nice and friendly, too. going back to the original topic of emigrating though, for me i'm open minded on it. i've done the whole travelling thing and it does broaden your horizons and make you realise what else is out there. but it also really made me appreciate england, which i wasn't really expecting. saying that, i am hoping to go to new zealand, possibly later on this year, to work for a year. i might even do a year working in australia at some point too, whilst i'm still young enough and still have no major ties over here. basically, i want to see what it's like and i want the experience. i think then i'll know more about whether emigrating would be something i'd be game for or not. i reckon nowadays it's a lot easier to emigrate, especially with things like skype and social networking. i know it isn't the same as physically being able to pop around to see your parents or whatever, but you can still talk to people daily and stuff, and that does help bridge the distance i think. I do know what you mean. Every time I visit another country, even if I have a great time it makes me realise that the UK really is the greatest country in the world to live in, despite all the bullshit.
Haydos Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 I would like to move abroad. I've been thinking about considering possibly one day heading to the USA or New Zealand. I feel a bit....something...with this country and the people in it. I like it and all but I'm honestly feel like I'm in a bit of a rut and I'd like a change of scenery, a change of pace, a change of culture. If there's a possibility of a job in it (doesn't need to be amazing pay or anything, just a bit to get by on and hopefully a bit to save) I'd love to start Rugby coaching (I'm probably going to do a few levels regardless) and work in a college/school/local team. My dream would be making it a full time career but if I could do it part time and also have another job that would be great. Not too sure about the state of Rugby in the USA currently, perhaps any of you guys out there could comment. Is it big in schools? Are there a lot of clubs? etc. I've only recently had this idea so I've not done any research into it yet.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Stay away from Australia please Auckland is quality and by far the best place i went to in NZ any where else would eventually get a bit boring.
ACF Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Beautiful coastline and weird and wonderful wildlife, but culturally vacant and too vast and empty in the middle, long way to get anywhere. Look, seeing as I've lived here for 6 years now I think I'm in a good place to comment. Australia's culture is vastly different than England, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have a culture. Australia, especially Melbourne, prides itself on it's multiculturalism. Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Lebanese have all brought their traditions here, which are passed down through their families, and gives Melbourne it's own special feeling. The other aspect of Australian culture is sport. The whole country sits down with the family to watch the AFL grand final, the Melbourne Cup, Bathurst, the Boxing Day test, and that's all in the latter part of the year. If you're not into AFL, you're almost on the outer in this city. On the second point, 84.7% of the total population live within 50km of the coast line. 66% of the population live in capital cities. Unlike the UK, not many people live outside of your Metropolitan regions, and if they do, it's usually in regional towns. The point I'm trying to make is, no one lives in that big middle sector of desert. I miss home everyday, I have three family members in this hemisphere, but you know what, I would not want to be in any city other than Melbourne.
MooseBreath Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 I dont think oz is culturally vacant at all. Some people complain that there aren't as many old buildings as there are in the UK. I mean seriously who gives a flying **** about that. Most of our old buildings have been gutted by now anyway. What's left is just the facade, a wall. Hardly a great selling point. Australia actually has quite an interesting history. Some people don't seem to realise that it did exist before the British arrived. And their modern culture, especially the beach life, is pretty good. It is no more shallow than in the UK, and i's say it's a much more fun place to live. However, there is a problem, and that's the general lack of intelligence among the population. It's very noticable. It feels like the average IQ among ozzies is probably 25-30 points lower than it is in the UK, and that does get tiring.
Finnegan Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 They make up for that by being better than us at basically every sport ever.
Guest Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Look, seeing as I've lived here for 6 years now I think I'm in a good place to comment. Australia's culture is vastly different than England, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have a culture. Australia, especially Melbourne, prides itself on it's multiculturalism. Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Lebanese have all brought their traditions here, which are passed down through their families, and gives Melbourne it's own special feeling. The other aspect of Australian culture is sport. The whole country sits down with the family to watch the AFL grand final, the Melbourne Cup, Bathurst, the Boxing Day test, and that's all in the latter part of the year. If you're not into AFL, you're almost on the outer in this city. On the second point, 84.7% of the total population live within 50km of the coast line. 66% of the population live in capital cities. Unlike the UK, not many people live outside of your Metropolitan regions, and if they do, it's usually in regional towns. The point I'm trying to make is, no one lives in that big middle sector of desert. I miss home everyday, I have three family members in this hemisphere, but you know what, I would not want to be in any city other than Melbourne. Sounds like Wales. They make up for that by being better than us at basically every sport ever. Well they used to be good at certain sports. They are very bad/inexistnat in some and their premier sports are taking a battering as they've stopped putting so much money into them.
FoxyPV Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Yeah I think about it a lot. I'd probably want to go to somewhere like Canada to be honest. If I do get through this snowboarding instructor course I could potentially do seasons in different countries which would give me the chance to figure out what it's like to live in different places and see where I like best. Probably more of a medium to long term goal for me I reckon but it's always on my mind to be honest. A mate of mine does this in Canada. Loves every minute of it.
Jon the Hat Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 I dont think oz is culturally vacant at all. Some people complain that there aren't as many old buildings as there are in the UK. I mean seriously who gives a flying **** about that. Most of our old buildings have been gutted by now anyway. What's left is just the facade, a wall. Hardly a great selling point. Australia actually has quite an interesting history. Some people don't seem to realise that it did exist before the British arrived. And their modern culture, especially the beach life, is pretty good. It is no more shallow than in the UK, and i's say it's a much more fun place to live. However, there is a problem, and that's the general lack of intelligence among the population. It's very noticable. It feels like the average IQ among ozzies is probably 25-30 points lower than it is in the UK, and that does get tiring. I am not sure this is in fact true. What is in fact true is that a lot of people doing less intelectually demanding jobs - trades and mine related work - are earning much more relatively than in this country. So if you do things in this country in which you would mostly mix with professionals you get a very different mix of people.
Captain... Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Look, seeing as I've lived here for 6 years now I think I'm in a good place to comment. Australia's culture is vastly different than England, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have a culture. Australia, especially Melbourne, prides itself on it's multiculturalism. Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Lebanese have all brought their traditions here, which are passed down through their families, and gives Melbourne it's own special feeling. The other aspect of Australian culture is sport. The whole country sits down with the family to watch the AFL grand final, the Melbourne Cup, Bathurst, the Boxing Day test, and that's all in the latter part of the year. If you're not into AFL, you're almost on the outer in this city. But that is kind of proving my point, being multi-cultural is not the same as having culture, otherwise Leicester would be the UK capital of culture. Having influences from all these different immigrants is great, and I did like Melbourne as a city, although it is the exception rather than the rule in Australia, but it has no real culture of its own, and what it does have in the indigenous people is marginalised and excluded. Going to the beach and playing sport is great fun, but it is not really culture.
ACF Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 But that is kind of proving my point, being multi-cultural is not the same as having culture, otherwise Leicester would be the UK capital of culture. Having influences from all these different immigrants is great, and I did like Melbourne as a city, although it is the exception rather than the rule in Australia, but it has no real culture of its own, and what it does have in the indigenous people is marginalised and excluded. Going to the beach and playing sport is great fun, but it is not really culture. You seem to miss the point that Australia was formed just 112 years ago. Besides the identity of the 'Aussie battler', they haven't much else to identify themselves besides sport. It's not the playing sport that is the culture, it's the fact that every single weekend there is something on. Whether it be the F1, AFL, NRL, Australian Open, Boxing Day Test, MotoGP, A-League, National League Cricket, Basketball and Netball, and there is a huge following for all of it. Melbourne is referred to as the 'sporting and cultural capital' of Australia, due to it's hugely diverse population. Chinese New Year, Greek Antipodes Festival, Melbourne Italian Festival, Asian Food Festival, all hugely celebrated events. This multiculturalism isn't just tolerance of their being other ethnicities in the city, it's celebrating and embracing their traditions as one of our own. It wasn't voted 'World's Most Liveable City' for nothing.
Jon the Hat Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Melbourne is cool. Might end up there one of these days. Both of my sisters in law and their families are in the vicinity.
purpleronnie Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 tball and Netball, and there is a huge following for all of it. Melbourne is referred to as the 'sporting and cultural capital' of Australia, due to it's hugely diverse population. Chinese New Year, Greek Antipodes Festival, Melbourne Italian Festival, Asian Food Festival, all hugely celebrated events. This multiculturalism isn't just tolerance of their being other ethnicities in the city, it's celebrating and embracing their traditions as one of our own. It wasn't voted 'World's Most Liveable City' for nothing. Are you referring to Monocle's survey? Because they ranked the top 5 most livable cities as following:- 1 Zurich Switzerland 2 Helsinki Finland 3 Copenhagen Denmark 4 Vienna Austria 5 Munich Germany Monocle's Most Livable Cities Index 2012[8] City Country 2011 1 Zurich Switzerland (02) 2 Helsinki Finland (01) 3 Copenhagen Denmark (03) 4 Vienna Austria (06) 5 Munich Germany
MooseBreath Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Going to the beach and playing sport is great fun, but it is not really culture. Of course it is. That's exactly what it is. I think you're confusing culture with history.
Haydos Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Of course it is. That's exactly what it is. I think you're confusing culture with history. Agreed
Steven Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Are you referring to Monocle's survey? Because they ranked the top 5 most livable cities as following:- 1 Zurich Switzerland 2 Helsinki Finland 3 Copenhagen Denmark 4 Vienna Austria 5 Munich Germany Monocle's Most Livable Cities Index 2012[8] City Country 2011 1 Zurich Switzerland (02) 2 Helsinki Finland (01) 3 Copenhagen Denmark (03) 4 Vienna Austria (06) 5 Munich Germany I rate Munich. Very interesting and dynamic City. Not been to Helsinki or Copenhagen though.
Guest Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 Are you referring to Monocle's survey? Because they ranked the top 5 most livable cities as following:- 1 Zurich Switzerland 2 Helsinki Finland 3 Copenhagen Denmark 4 Vienna Austria 5 Munich Germany Monocle's Most Livable Cities Index 2012[8] City Country 2011 1 Zurich Switzerland (02) 2 Helsinki Finland (01) 3 Copenhagen Denmark (03) 4 Vienna Austria (06) 5 Munich Germany Interesting. Can't think anywhere in Switzerland scored well on the cost of living front from what I'm lead to believe so must be smashing it outta the park on the other factors! Worth looking at that site if only for the first comment which reads 'where does Wolverhampton come into this?'
flowwolf Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 My daughter's boyfriend has just come back from an academic trip to New Zealand. While there, he was asked to apply for a PHD at Waikato University by a member of staff at the university. As a geographer, it is a fantastic place to be. He has been with my daughter for three years and it seems like a pretty stable relationship. She qualifies as a science teacher in a few weeks. This is a shortage profession in New Zealand and it almost guarantees a visa leading to residency. DB has a year to finish on his undergraduate degree and then intends to do a masters. D can start looking for work from September. They could potentially move to New Zealand in 2015. My first reaction to this was to be hugely excited for them. Of course I would miss them but the idea of starting a new life at their age in a new country seems like a fantastic opportunity. The standard of living is higher, New Zealand prides itself on having a good work/life balance and there is all that amazing landscape and coastline to explore. I decided to check out a few details for them. During this process, I stopped thinking about their move...and started to think about my move. I too have skills which are in short supply in New Zealand. My wife and I have looked at downsizing and moving into the countryside in England in a few years; but it is hugely expensive to do this. We could buy a house in New Zealand and have money left over to set us up. Growing old in New Zealand seems a much more attractive proposition than growing old in England. We couldn't do it for a few years. We have elderly parents and I don't think we would go until they have checked out. In 8-10 years our mortgage will have reduced considerably and hopefully, house prices will pick up between now and then. All our kids should hopefully be living their own lives by then too. If I could go tomorrow, I probably would. Anyone else thought of emigrating permanently? That's the worse case of humble brag I have ever seen on here.
Deucalion Posted 22 April 2013 Author Posted 22 April 2013 That's the worse case of humble brag I have ever seen on here. My stepson is a fecking genius !! And there's me thinking he was just an annoying little **** for all those years !! But oldest stepdaughter is shacked up with Stig of the Dump, so there you go.
notnow john Posted 22 April 2013 Posted 22 April 2013 My stepson is a fecking genius !! And there's me thinking he was just an annoying little **** for all those years !! But oldest stepdaughter is shacked up with Stig of the Dump, so there you go. He's still soap dodging then?
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