5waller5 Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Well evolution is also making people massively impatient I'd second that!
smudgerfox Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 A few explanatory facts: 1999/2000 8th Prem - Manager Martin O'Neill - almost hounded out for not getting immeditae results 2000/2001 13th Prem - Manager Peter Taylor - big media reputation, no track record lived for a season off the MON team 2001/2002 20th Prem - Manager Peter Taylor completed the ruination, followed by Dave Bassett (inexplicably adored by the media, true Brit "results" manager apparently) . 2002/2003 2nd Div 1 - Manager Micky Adams - Solid British-methods young manager performs minor miracle with Deane and Dickov up front (wouldn't be anywhere near good enough in today's Championship) 2003/2004 20th Prem - Manager Micky Adams - embarrassing relegation - Adams just not up to it (as history has proved) 2004/2005 15th Champ - Manager Micky Adams/Craig Levein (bright, promising Scottish manager with no track record in England - a gamble) . 2005/2006 16th Champ - Manager Craig Levein/Rob Kelly (promoted assistant manager, Adamsesque, not bright, not qualified for job but likeable and initially effective) 2006/2007 19th Champ - Manager Rob Kelly/Nigel Worthington (another solid Brit results type) done nowt since 2007/2008 22nd Champ - Manager Martin Allen/Gary Megson/Ian Holloway - Allen bright young manager loved by the media, Megson dour results type soon scarpered when a more sane club came knocking, Holloway - Allen in spades. 2008/2009 2nd L1 - Manager Nigel Pearson (solid dour type with some limited track record completes efficient job) 2009/2010 5th Champ - Manager Nigel Pearson achieves above expectations 2010/2011 10th Champ - Manager Paulo Sousa/Sven Goran Erikkson (Sousa - complete polar opposite to NFP in playing style but no real track record, Sven famous name, media darling, no knowledge of Championship) 2011/2012 9th Champ - Manager Erikkson/Nigel Pearson (another about turn in style and methods) 2012/2013 6th Champ - Manager Nigel Pearson From which I conclude: 1 We're not good at picking managers; 2 The vociferous are not any better judges than anyone else 3 The kind of managers we tend to get fall into two categories - over-hyped flashy types and solid Brit-style managers 4 NFP is indisputably our most successful manager since MON - so anyone who says he should go needs a strong alternative
MC Prussian Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Humans are naturally fearful of change. It's evolutionary. Fear of the unknown is almost always greater than the worst case scenario (apart from in the case of Roy Keane). Fear of sticking with the same manager is also still fear. I think you're up next for some evolutionary change.
indierich06 Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Someone should have told Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela that because their view didn't represent the majority that it was wrong. Oh hang on .... they did try to oppress their views but the minority turned out to not only be right but not swerve from their conviction. This gets better and better. Pearson haters are now comparing their struggles to that of MARTIN LUTHER KING and NELSON MANDELA. This is amazing.
hackneyfox Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Pearson 'hates', I thought we'd moved on from that. To assume that because you agree with the majority view you are therefore correct is a bit arrogant and daft. The poll changed from 60% to 80% over 3 games, many of those are happy to see how we are doing after a few games next season so should we start the season poorly you could very quickly be in the minority. Should Pearson get the tintack then very quickly the view on here will be that he was shite, as has happened with almost every manager or player who has left the club.
indierich06 Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Pearson 'hates', I thought we'd moved on from that. To assume that because you agree with the majority view you are therefore correct is a bit arrogant and daft. The poll changed from 60% to 80% over 3 games, many of those are happy to see how we are doing after a few games next season so should we start the season poorly you could very quickly be in the minority. Should Pearson get the tintack then very quickly the view on here will be that he was shite, as has happened with almost every manager or player who has left the club. Well, that's what most of them are, why shy away from it? Posters like Seenitall, 5waller5 and Flowwolf have had been clear that they don't want him at the club all season regardless of our performances, why bother trying to hide it?
hackneyfox Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 I haven't wanted him back at the club, the majority of fans I know (personally not through here & Bentleys) didn't want him back. I don't hate him as I don't know him, I just think my club could do so much better. I was happy when our performances improved and the results with them, then he reverted to defending first. It's a bit like people who reckon we slate players and once someone is moved on want to know who we're going to pick on now. For me it'll be the player I perceive to be the next weakest link, not a case of hating or bullying, just wanting what I think is the best for my club.
Wymsey Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Keeping Nigel Pearson; Advantages Took us into the play-offs - 2/2 times (the penalties missed (Kermogant/Knockaert) were out of his control - two cases which I consider as bad luck; in particular Knocky's). He's improved the team quite well (despite the dip in form in the past two months or so); Morgan has been rock solid, signed a young highly-rated player in Keane who has impressed me; the presence of Knockaert and James is a major improvement on Gallagher and Wellens certainly. Disadvantages He seems to have a 'Mancini' managerial approach - He doesn't care what others think, he selects who he wants (probably without thinking about how certain players think about his decisions). His relationships with certain players (you name them; Beckford, Gallagher, Wood, St. Ledger) have all be informed to the wider audience, and this may have affected the team relationship from January. Conclusion Pearson has the ability to sign the players we require, thus far, players that have performed well overall, but he can bloody have a chip on his shoulder if someone questions his management methods/style.
kingfox Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 I'm fed up with change, we changed from Pearson to Sousa didn't work, we changed Sousa to Eriksson didn't work, Pearson has come back and it has worked. He may not be the best manager around, and his tactics are a bit out of date, but he has brought success to Leicester City, not so long ago we were in and around the relegation zone, finishing in around 16th-18th place every season. Now we seem stable, playing good football and have a very good young squad, yet people are still moaning and want change. If we failed to make the play-offs then I believe he would of been sacked, but despite a poor run of form, at the end of the day we ended up finishing in the play-offs and actually playing for something, that is of course better than finishing outside the play-offs, finishing the season early with nothing to play for. Keep him, let him continue this clear out, and let him continue to build a good talented side. If it doesn't work out, then he will be sacked, but right now I'm happy with the team, and I'm happy with the progress they are making.
hackneyfox Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 I think Keane looked good for a youngster but was soon identified as the weak link. Morgan's form, for me, has gone down recently.
5waller5 Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Well, that's what most of them are, why shy away from it? Posters like Seenitall, 5waller5 and Flowwolf have had been clear that they don't want him at the club all season regardless of our performances, why bother trying to hide it? I've been pretty consistent in thinking the guy will not get us where we need to be ... and have been proved right by him constantly. During the lovely spell of football .... not necessarily when the results were going our way but when the style of play was great I did concede that he was proving me wrong and long may it continue. Unfortunately it didn't.
tontolcfc Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 I'm fed up with change, we changed from Pearson to Sousa didn't work, we changed Sousa to Eriksson didn't work, Pearson has come back and it has worked. He may not be the best manager around, and his tactics are a bit out of date, but he has brought success to Leicester City, not so long ago we were in and around the relegation zone, finishing in around 16th-18th place every season. Now we seem stable, playing good football and have a very good young squad, yet people are still moaning and want change. If we failed to make the play-offs then I believe he would of been sacked, but despite a poor run of form, at the end of the day we ended up finishing in the play-offs and actually playing for something, that is of course better than finishing outside the play-offs, finishing the season early with nothing to play for. Keep him, let him continue this clear out, and let him continue to build a good talented side. If it doesn't work out, then he will be sacked, but right now I'm happy with the team, and I'm happy with the progress they are making. I totally agree it would be a tragedy to break up the team in what I believe is a critical time in its development. Watching City this season has seen mixed emotions but overall a hugely entertaining season. Hopefully when the dust settles and we have seen the departures that are needed and the additions also we can continue to have pride in what we have achieved. Steady progress
5waller5 Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 I totally agree it would be a tragedy to break up the team in what I believe is a critical time in its development. Watching City this season has seen mixed emotions but overall a hugely entertaining season. Hopefully when the dust settles and we have seen the departures that are needed and the additions also we can continue to have pride in what we have achieved. Steady progress Well made point and I broadly can see your view ..... The only reason why this steady progress isn't enough is that we have invested too much to be satisfied with "steady" IMHO. But maybe the owners are happy with Steady, we'll soon know.
Webbo Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Why are some people bothered if somebody wants Pearson to stay?None of us will have any say in whether he stays or goes. Just accept that we all have our own opinions.
Ely fox Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Basically because a lot of fans don't want another change in manager and think that he will come good in the end. I however think if we stick we will be rewarded with the play off lottery again next season. There are going to be a lot of good teams next season, its going to be real tough to get in the top two and a good manager is needed ... Pearson for me has too many flaws.
Guest Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 There are going to be a lot of good teams next season, its going to be real tough to get in the top two We say this every, and I do mean every, season and look what happens.....Some do as well as expected, some sink like a stone and others challenge for those top two places. The reality is if we can keep that team together and make a few quality signings to add depth to the squad there's no reason a top two place can't be ours.
katieakita Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 So many topics should he stay go, well imho i scared with some of the names banded arounded, think we can all agree if he stays promotion has to be delivered next season. So if after 12 games or whatever we are not in the running for promotion he could be on his way. Or do you bring in someone new from the start and do what if we don't make it next season. Hope he stays but wait for the stick when he starts bringing in the next James or Knocky who we haven't heard of.
flowwolf Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Well, that's what most of them are, why shy away from it? Posters like Seenitall, 5waller5 and Flowwolf have had been clear that they don't want him at the club all season regardless of our performances, why bother trying to hide it? Being clear that I don't want him at the club any longer does not translate to me " hating " him. I don't hate you either just at odds with most of what you say because most of it is just Bollocks. Putting words into others mouths does you no favours at all.
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 We say this every, and I do mean every, season and look what happens.....Some do as well as expected, some sink like a stone and others challenge for those top two places. The reality is if we can keep that team together and make a few quality signings to add depth to the squad there's no reason a top two place can't be ours. Yes there is, a manager who doesn't know how to win enough away games or change a game if not going to plan. I am positive if Man utd loaned us there entire team, Pearson wouldn't get automatic promotion as unlike Fergie, he has no idea what he's doing, just picks his favorite 11 in a rigid 442 and cross's his fingers...
flowwolf Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Yes there is, a manager who doesn't know how to win enough away games or change a game if not going to plan. I am positive if Man utd loaned us there entire team, Pearson wouldn't get automatic promotion as unlike Fergie, he has no idea what he's doing, just picks his favorite 11 in a rigid 442 and cross's his fingers... Great post ! at last a breath of fresh air .
Guest Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Yes there is, a manager who doesn't know how to win enough away games or change a game if not going to plan. I am positive if Man utd loaned us there entire team, Pearson wouldn't get automatic promotion as unlike Fergie, he has no idea what he's doing, just picks his favorite 11 in a rigid 442 and cross's his fingers... Really? The entire Man United team? Utterly ridiculous statement. We've played more than 442 this year, not as often as we have I'll grant you but for the first 1/2 or 2/3 of the season we played some magnificent football under the same manager and same system. I bet you weren't complaining then. You're trying to tell me that a few wins in that horrendous run in (and you'll note that neither I nor pretty much anybody is denying how bad it was) and we couldn't have got ourselves an automatic promotion place? Again that's ridiculous.
Guest Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Great post ! at last a breath of fresh air . Not really it's the same rubbish you, seenitall, DT etc. have been peddling since the start of the season.
FantasticMrFox Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Some of you seem to be "Only making plans for Nigel" We only want what's best for the te-him!.....
Guest Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Some of you seem to be "Only making plans for Nigel" We only want what's best for the te-him!..... And some of you only want to satisfy your lack of patience at building something capable of sustainable success so what's your point?
FantasticMrFox Posted 15 May 2013 Posted 15 May 2013 Hey. I'm on your side. That was tongue in cheek... I think we need another year, then decide...
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