Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 [post=http://www.liverpoolfc.com/team/player-stats/16407/Henderson]Jordan Henderson[/post] There you go everyone, you can compare Jordan Henderson to any other English central midfielder this season. I think you will be surprised. --- Bert, yeah at the start Henderson wasn't great, he came to a massive club and people demanded instant success from him, paying £16million didn't help his cause either. Since Rodgers has taken over, which nearly lead to Henderson going to Fulham but Hendo refused and said he wanted to stay and learn from Rodgers, he has been a revelation, last season as well he was good, broke into the side in November 2012 and hasn't looked back since. Started every game for a team fourth in the League? But not good enough to go to the World Cup?
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 You have missed the point completely. Not at all, you said it is hopeless that Henderson should go to the World Cup. You've made yourself look really stupid, its cool.
MC Prussian Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Stop just picking out certain areas of a post because you're being proven wrong. Henderson did do well when England played Italy, everyone could see that. Erm… Didn't Henderson come on as a substitute? Of course he'll stand out against a player who's been on the pitch for 90 minutes longer than him. I mean, seriously, what kind of a comparison is that? You might as well take a Lamborghini and compare it to a JCB.
AKCJ Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 He's right though. Henderson is having a blinder of a season by his standards but him going to Brazil just sums up why we're not going to do nothing. We've a complete lack of quality all over the field now, I'd say that only Rooney is truly world class. Henderson is a brilliant athlete, but is lacking in technical skill.
Darkon84 Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Not at all, you said it is hopeless that Henderson should go to the World Cup. You've made yourself look really stupid, its cool. You have missed the point. His point was that if Henderson is the best that we can offer in an England shirt, than it says something about the state of English football. We should really be creating far better players, given our heritage and the size of the sport in this country.
MC Prussian Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 He's right though. Henderson is having a blinder of a season by his standards but him going to Brazil just sums up why we're not going to do nothing. We've a complete lack of quality all over the field now, I'd say that only Rooney is truly world class. Henderson is a brilliant athlete, but is lacking in technical skill. I'm not doubting he's playing well (or better) this season, it's UA's overeager praise of him that I find strange. And the Pirlo thing is really, really far-fetched. But coming from a Liverpool supporter, it has to be expected.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Oh **** off Prussian, you really are a c*nt. Henderson came on and did his job, that point was in reference to him being shit for England made by Bobby whatever his name is, simple as that, Henderson came on and did his job, So that isn't far-fetched at all. May of faired better in that game if we didn't persist with 'Scotty Lion Heart Parker', trying to run round and break the play up. How is a sad state when Henderson is being spoken about for the England squad? I take it none of you have looked at them comparisons, do it against most central midfielders in the League and Henderson is performing better than most. Maybe if you forget Henderson's start at Anfield and concentrate on the present then you would understand that he is a good footballer and would be fully deserving on a World Cup place.
Dan Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Pirlo ran the show against England. If Henderson's role was marking Pirlo out the game then it certainly doesn't reflect well on him.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 He really didn't like I said, Henderson came on for extra-time, why? Because Hodgson wanted to see the game out to penalties, Henderson did that, Pirlo did nothing in that extra-time. As I see it, the game finished 0-0, bragging about a player 'running the show' yet failing to create a goal is a quite worrying assessment of a player. Anyway. Henderson has played every game, completed 90 minutes in all of them games apart from one, for a team currently sitting in the top four, created 6 goals and people are saying it's bad if we have to take Henderson? I would be worrying about the others who will be on that plane.
Dan Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 You can't really blame him for not being able to 'create a goal' when their finishing was shocking throughout. We rode our luck in that game big time. Pirlo probably had more of the ball than our whole team combined. For the record I'd certainly be taking Henderson and I'd be starting him over the likes of Lampard/Gerrard too. About time we started laying foundations for the future rather than continuing to play players who haven't really delivered for us.
Darkon84 Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Man marking/getting in the way of a 33 (at the time I think) year old who has just played 90 minutes, isn't really a tough job to do is it? stick a bell on Pirlo's legs and a blind guy could do it. People are saying and agreeing that Henderson is having a good season, but that's not enough is it? You seem to be expecting people to say he is world class and the best midfielder we have ever produced. It's just not going to happen...why? Because its not true. Whereas he may be playing well this season, and starting to look more like the player he is capable of being, the point still is, is that if he is supposed to be our best central midfielder, as you suggest, then the England setup and acadamys are failing somewhere along the line. He isn't the saviour, he isn't world class, he won't be world class, and as a nation, we should be capable of producing FAR better central midfielders.
AKCJ Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 I think the fact you have to resort to a substitute appearance from almost two years ago to tell us how good he is says a lot.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Never once said he is world class, never once said he is the saviour and the stats are there to suggest this season he is one of the best English central midfielders this season, simple as that.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 I think the fact you have to resort to a substitute appearance from almost two years ago to tell us how good he is says a lot. Or again down to the fact Roy Hodgson played players like Tom Cleverley, Milner (centrally) and Parker over him.. Reputations and what club you were at got you a start for England, not current form.
AKCJ Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Or again down to the fact Roy Hodgson played players like Tom Cleverley, Milner (centrally) and Parker over him.. Reputations and what club you were at got you a start for England, not current form. Because at the time they were in better form Henderson should rightly start ahead of that trio. But Gerrard, Huddlestone, Wilshere, Barkley and Lallana should all start ahead of Henderson.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Because at the time they were in better form Henderson should rightly start ahead of that trio. But Gerrard, Huddlestone, Wilshere, Barkley and Lallana should all start ahead of Henderson. Huddlestone? Lallana? I'm done. Milner, Cleverley and Parker have never been in better form than Jordan Henderson since November 2012, not a chance, sorry that is just ridiculous.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Clearly Witty that.. I love how when you question people on here they just don't answer, they try and resort to some lame attempt at sarcasm. You seriously suggested Tom Huddlestone and Adam Lallana should start for England ahead of Jordan Henderson? Wow.
AKCJ Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Witty that.. I love how when you question people on here they just don't answer, they try and resort to some lame attempt at sarcasm. You seriously suggested Tom Huddlestone and Adam Lallana should start for England ahead of Jordan Henderson? Wow. Do you watch football? Typical Liverpool fan. The world's against you. Huddlestone, despite a recent dip in form, has been near enough the sole reason Hull aren't doing too bad. They'd probably be in the relegation zone without him. His passing and ability on the ball will be vital in the Brazil temperatures. We need players with technical skill. Him and Gerrard controlling the midfield excites me. As for Lallana, he's been the third best English footballer this season behind Rooney and Sturridge. Of course, if you watch football matches you'd know this.
Guest MattP Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Pirlo had a superb game and then faded in Extra Time, you have to judge yourself whether that was because of Jordan Henderson or just the fact that Pirlo is mid thirties and had just spent 90 minutes controlling a very high tempo game. Henderson has certainly played very well from what I have seen of him this year.
MC Prussian Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Witty that.. I love how when you question people on here they just don't answer, they try and resort to some lame attempt at sarcasm. You seriously suggested Tom Huddlestone and Adam Lallana should start for England ahead of Jordan Henderson? Wow. It's called the English national squad and not the Liverpool national team for a reason. There's enough talent in England, not just in Merseyside. But of course, if you were in Roy's shoes, you'd only pick Reds. Right?
Darkon84 Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Never once said he is world class, never once said he is the saviour and the stats are there to suggest this season he is one of the best English central midfielders this season, simple as that. You've not directly said it, but it's pretty much what you've been implying. Anyone that says Henderson isn't amazing, causes you to go in to some kind of childish hissy fit, saying he's amazing, and bringing up stats. I'll but this again....NO-ONE has said he is shit. In fact, everyone, myself included has said he is having a great season, and it's good to see. BUT the point you keep glossing over still stands. In your eyes he should be starting for England (he should be in the squad for sure), and if Henderson is really the best that England can produce, then there is a big problem mate.
Dan Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Man marking/getting in the way of a 33 (at the time I think) year old who has just played 90 minutes, isn't really a tough job to do is it? stick a bell on Pirlo's legs and a blind guy could do it. People are saying and agreeing that Henderson is having a good season, but that's not enough is it? You seem to be expecting people to say he is world class and the best midfielder we have ever produced. It's just not going to happen...why? Because its not true. Whereas he may be playing well this season, and starting to look more like the player he is capable of being, the point still is, is that if he is supposed to be our best central midfielder, as you suggest, then the England setup and acadamys are failing somewhere along the line. He isn't the saviour, he isn't world class, he won't be world class, and as a nation, we should be capable of producing FAR better central midfielders. Struggling to disagree. It isn't his fault either but just ask yourself, how far down the pecking order would he be if he was Spanish, German, Italian or even Belgian...
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