Darkon84 Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Do you watch football? Typical Liverpool fan. The world's against you. Huddlestone, despite a recent dip in form, has been near enough the sole reason Hull aren't doing too bad. They'd probably be in the relegation zone without him. His passing and ability on the ball will be vital in the Brazil temperatures. We need players with technical skill. Him and Gerrard controlling the midfield excites me. As for Lallana, he's been the third best English footballer this season behind Rooney and Sturridge. Of course, if you watch football matches you'd know this. Precisely. No use arguing with some of them because they only see one thing. Typical victimpool mentality. So many of them crawling out of the woodwork this season. Sore losers are bad, but they aren't as bad as bad winners.
Darkon84 Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Struggling to disagree. It isn't his fault either but just ask yourself, how far down the pecking order would he be if he was Spanish, German, Italian or even Belgian... Exactly. none of this is a personal attack on Henderson, with most people agreeing he's indeed playing well, it just all came from Bobby making a remark, which was massively taken the wrong way by Albert. If people can't see and agree with that, then they need some serious readjustment . It's scary and barely worth thinking about how far our players are behind those kinds of teams. Absolutely frightening.
Bert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Witty that.. I love how when you question people on here they just don't answer, they try and resort to some lame attempt at sarcasm. You seriously suggested Tom Huddlestone and Adam Lallana should start for England ahead of Jordan Henderson? Wow. Lallana is having arguably a better season than Henderson but he's more of a wide player, and Henderson is a central midfielder. Therefore it's unfair to compare the two. Make the Henderson Comparisons with Wilshere, Barry, Gerrard, Lampard etc. Make the Lallana comparisons with Welbeck, Toensend, Sturridge, Sterling etc. Many people will always look for the negatives in players for a case to boost their argument for the player they are arguing on behalf of rather than comparing the players positives. For instance people moaning about Henderson are probably doing so on the back of his poor start at Liverpool.
Bert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Struggling to disagree. It isn't his fault either but just ask yourself, how far down the pecking order would he be if he was Spanish, German, Italian or even Belgian...I don't see why people say this. Just a moot argument because it doesn't make any difference to the players that he's going to be in direct competition for squad places with.
ScouseFox Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Albert is right though, I am struggling to think of an English central midfielder who has performed consistently as well as Henderson since the start of 2013.
Dan Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Exactly. none of this is a personal attack on Henderson, with most people agreeing he's indeed playing well, it just all came from Bobby making a remark, which was massively taken the wrong way by Albert. If people can't see and agree with that, then they need some serious readjustment . It's scary and barely worth thinking about how far our players are behind those kinds of teams. Absolutely frightening. I fear for our chances in Brazil & France. I think a solid defence got us far last time but we won't have that this time around. What can we do eh. Maybe zero expectations will be the way forward as a fan.
Guest MattP Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Albert is right though, I am struggling to think of an English central midfielder who has performed consistently as well as Henderson since the start of 2013. Ramsay
Dan Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 I don't see why people say this. Just a moot argument because it doesn't make any difference to the players that he's going to be in direct competition for squad places with. Eh?
AKCJ Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 I don't see why people say this. Just a moot argument because it doesn't make any difference to the players that he's going to be in direct competition for squad places with. That's not the point he's making. We're up against the likes of Brazil, Italy, Spain, Germany... We're miles behind those nations in terms of talent.
Darkon84 Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 I fear for our chances in Brazil & France. I think a solid defence got us far last time but we won't have that this time around. What can we do eh. Maybe zero expectations will be the way forward as a fan. I'm not expecting much at all. When it comes to England these days, I still enjoy it and still get behind them, but I tend to aim low. If we do well, fantastic, if we don't do very well, I won't be too disappointed from having my hopes up in the first place. I think it's just being realistic.
MC Prussian Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Anyway, to get back to topic, Newcastle are indeed linked with Lyon's Clément Grenier now as a replacement for Yohan Cabaye: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25944404 And Fulham are apparently keen on signing Greek striker Konstantinos Mitroglou from Olympiakos: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25944411
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Do you watch football? Typical Liverpool fan. The world's against you. Huddlestone, despite a recent dip in form, has been near enough the sole reason Hull aren't doing too bad. They'd probably be in the relegation zone without him. His passing and ability on the ball will be vital in the Brazil temperatures. We need players with technical skill. Him and Gerrard controlling the midfield excites me. As for Lallana, he's been the third best English footballer this season behind Rooney and Sturridge. Of course, if you watch football matches you'd know this. Adam Lallana has been the third best English footballer this season behind Rooney and Sturridge? You're a freak. You'd rather have Tom Huddlestone controlling a game of football with Steven Gerrard over Michael Carrick? Carrick who you failed to mention on your list of midfielders better than Jordan Henderson, same Michael Carrick who has played at the highest standard in club football. You would rather have a footballer who failed at Spurs and is playing for Hull City controlling our midfield at a World Cup? And there was people saying if Jordan Henderson goes to the World Cup we should look at the state of footballers being produced in this country.
foxfanazer Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Let's face it, whoever we take to this world cup we should look at the state of footballers being produced in this country.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Let's face it, whoever we take to this world cup we should look at the state of footballers being produced in this country. Fair point.
AKCJ Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Adam Lallana has been the third best English footballer this season behind Rooney and Sturridge? You're a freak. You'd rather have Tom Huddlestone controlling a game of football with Steven Gerrard over Michael Carrick? Carrick who you failed to mention on your list of midfielders better than Jordan Henderson, same Michael Carrick who has played at the highest standard in club football. You would rather have a footballer who failed at Spurs and is playing for Hull City controlling our midfield at a World Cup? And there was people saying if Jordan Henderson goes to the World Cup we should look at the state of footballers being produced in this country. There's probably an argument to say that Barkley has been on par with him but please name a player who has been better this season. What does it matter where Huddlestone plays? AVB sold him but Sherwood wants him back. He's been their best player and, IMO should be on the plane to Brazil. You're right, I forgot to mention an ageing Michael Carrick who has been woeful for United this season. I'd put him ahead of Henderson just to piss you off more. Fact is we're shit at the moment. But starting Henderson would underline that fact. I'll leave the petty insults to the children.
Father Ted Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 I don't see Mitroglou going to Fulham with Olympiakos still in the Champions League plus he's much better than Fulham.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 There's probably an argument to say that Barkley has been on par with him but please name a player who has been better this season. What does it matter where Huddlestone plays? AVB sold him but Sherwood wants him back. He's been their best player and, IMO should be on the plane to Brazil. You're right, I forgot to mention an ageing Michael Carrick who has been woeful for United this season. I'd put him ahead of Henderson just to piss you off more. Fact is we're shit at the moment. But starting Henderson would underline that fact. I'll leave the petty insults to the children. Baines? Jagielka? Terry? Them 3 alone have had better seasons in my opinion than Adam Lallana. I would probably say even at the age of 32 Carrick is still more mobile, fitter and quicker than Tom Huddlestone. Just for the record not in anyone of my posts on Henderson have I said he should start for England at the World Cup, please feel free to re-read them. I said it would be a travesty if he wasn't on the plane. You'll leave the petty insults to the children but you would put Carrick in your World Cup squad who you have slated ahead of Henderson, just to piss me off? Nicely done that, that shown me you're not childish at all.
Fox92 Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Andy Kings Crown Jewels, on 29 Jan 2014 - 3:16 PM, said: Do you watch football? Typical Liverpool fan. The world's against you. Huddlestone, despite a recent dip in form, has been near enough the sole reason Hull aren't doing too bad. They'd probably be in the relegation zone without him. His passing and ability on the ball will be vital in the Brazil temperatures. We need players with technical skill. Him and Gerrard controlling the midfield excites me. As for Lallana, he's been the third best English footballer this season behind Rooney and Sturridge. Of course, if you watch football matches you'd know this. One man doesn't make a team. Curtis Davies has been a very good signing for Hull, and is indispensable to them.
foxfanazer Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 I'd like to see Lallana make the world cup squad. Good honest player who will work his socks off. If we are going to fail in Brazil we might as well do it with players like him imo
AKCJ Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Baines? Jagielka? Terry? Them 3 alone have had better seasons in my opinion than Adam Lallana. I would probably say even at the age of 32 Carrick is still more mobile, fitter and quicker than Tom Huddlestone. Just for the record not in anyone of my posts on Henderson have I said he should start for England at the World Cup, please feel free to re-read them. I said it would be a travesty if he wasn't on the plane. You'll leave the petty insults to the children but you would put Carrick in your World Cup squad who you have slated ahead of Henderson, just to piss me off? Nicely done that, that shown me you're not childish at all. Alright then mate. Of course they've been better. Baines is up there, Jagielka has been decent but John Terry? **** me. He's retired for a start. Carrick has played 12 games for United this season. If he goes on the plane, that's your travesty. So what he's more mobile (not that I actually agree with that ludicrous statement)? What matters is he can keep the ball. Pirlo is hardly mobile yet look how good he is (and don't try and claim I'm comparing Carrick and Huddlestone to him). I'd also like it if you pointed out where I said Henderson shouldn't be on the plane too. I've only said there is about 5 midfielders ahead of him, you see to have taken offense to this which is strange. He might well be playing well, but he doesn't deserve to play in the England match day squad. Can't take a joke either. You really are a Liverpool fan. One man doesn't make a team. Curtis Davies has been a very good signing for Hull, and is indispensable to them. Tell that to the Liverpool fan In all seriousness though, one player can make the difference. I think Huddlestone has done that.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Alright then mate. Of course they've been better. Baines is up there, Jagielka has been decent but John Terry? **** me. He's retired for a start. Carrick has played 12 games for United this season. If he goes on the plane, that's your travesty. So what he's more mobile (not that I actually agree with that ludicrous statement)? What matters is he can keep the ball. Pirlo is hardly mobile yet look how good he is (and don't try and claim I'm comparing Carrick and Huddlestone to him). I'd also like it if you pointed out where I said Henderson shouldn't be on the plane too. I've only said there is about 5 midfielders ahead of him, you see to have taken offense to this which is strange. He might well be playing well, but he doesn't deserve to play in the England match day squad. Can't take a joke either. You really are a Liverpool fan. You said English footballers this season, John Terry has been fantastic for Chelsea this season, hence why he was said. So yeah I will stand by that and say them three have all had better seasons than Lallana, I would say Barkley has as well, so that's four. I'm sorry to break it to you but Tom Huddlestone won't be going to Brazil, he just isn't good enough. He offers nothing to the England side that we don't already have, the good attributes he does have, others can do them better. Saying there are 5 central midfielders better than him kind of suggests he shouldn't be on the plane, you're not going to take 6 central midfielders in a squad of 23, are you? 5 at tops. Especially when you can take Milner as a winger but can play central. Where was the joke?
AKCJ Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 You said English footballers this season, John Terry has been fantastic for Chelsea this season, hence why he was said. So yeah I will stand by that and say them three have all had better seasons than Lallana, I would say Barkley has as well, so that's four. I'm sorry to break it to you but Tom Huddlestone won't be going to Brazil, he just isn't good enough. He offers nothing to the England side that we don't already have, the good attributes he does have, others can do them better. Saying there are 5 central midfielders better than him kind of suggests he shouldn't be on the plane, you're not going to take 6 central midfielders in a squad of 23, are you? 5 at tops. Especially when you can take Milner as a winger but can play central. Where was the joke? I actually give up. I've got better things to be doing than arguing with a clueless Liverpool fan. You're not going to change your mind. I'll leave you and your strange opinions alone.
Guest MattP Posted 29 January 2014 Posted 29 January 2014 Thought I'd whack the odds up for a bit of interest, anyone see a price they like? To make World Cup Squad Gerrard 1/25 Wilshire 1/8 Milner 1/6 Townsend 1/5 Lampard 1/4 Carrick 1/4 Barkely 8/15 Cleverly 8/11 Lallana 11/10 Henderson 11/8 Lennon 7/4 Sterling 2/1 Oxlade 5/2 Young 3/1 Barry 5/1 Morrison 8/1 Huddlestone 8/1 Downing 16/1 Rodwell 16/1 Shelvet 16/1
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