The Good News thread, local jobs, economy etc

[Rincewind]

The figures being put out by the government and the mainstream media indicate an improvement.

Other sources give a different set of facts.

I suppose it depends which side of the fence you are and how good your eyesight is.

Things may change either way for anyone.

I didm't catch it all but on Channel Four news some financial group were saying the Universal Credit scheme would not work well in its present form.One view is that there may be one or two problems  with it. One concern is that a lot of it is supposed to be done on line. Not everyone has access or is able to use a computer. Another concern is not  everyone has the financial aptitude to manage their money mentally. there are also worries that these issues have not all been addressed fully and it could cause extreme hardship and maybe evictions to vulnerable and disabled people.

But another point of view  is that it is their own fault for being like they are.

I think I'll sit on the fence on this one.

 

In other news my book is available on the open market. Not sure if this link works so I'll test it here.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/1490388729/ref=sr_1_1_olp?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1378463639&sr=1-1&keywords=quill+2+ink+2+paper&condition=new

Edited 6 September 2013 by Rincewind

[The People's Hero]

For money?

Embracing the 'capitalist scum' ?

If you can't beat them, join them?

If you sell a few books and consider it a commercial express, are you then one of the faceless evildoers forcing drug addicts to live on the streets?

[Zingari]

For money?

Embracing the 'capitalist scum' ?

If you can't beat them, join them?

If you sell a few books and consider it a commercial express, are you then one of the faceless evildoers forcing drug addicts to live on the streets?

I'm not sure Ken has ever complained about capitalism or called anyone scum .

The main thrust of his posts seem to be about how  society treats the less well off, and how he believes society can be improved . 

We can disagree with him about how we do that of course. 

I actually consider parts of society maybe has become a little too dependant , but it's too easy to let the pendulum swing too far back. 

[Guest MattP]

The figures being put out by the government and the mainstream media indicate an improvement.

Other sources give a different set of facts.

I suppose it depends which side of the fence you are and how good your eyesight is.

Things may change either way for anyone.

I didm't catch it all but on Channel Four news some financial group were saying the Universal Credit scheme would not work well in its present form.One view is that there may be one or two problems  with it. One concern is that a lot of it is supposed to be done on line. Not everyone has access or is able to use a computer. Another concern is not  everyone has the financial aptitude to manage their money mentally. there are also worries that these issues have not all been addressed fully and it could cause extreme hardship and maybe evictions to vulnerable and disabled people.

But another point of view  is that it is their own fault for being like they are.

I think I'll sit on the fence on this one.

 

In other news my book is available on the open market. Not sure if this link works so I'll test it here.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/1490388729/ref=sr_1_1_olp?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1378463639&sr=1-1&keywords=quill+2+ink+2+paper&condition=new

 

The figures the government use are from an independent body, they are the same bodies whose figures were used when it wasn't looking great and everyone was saying "Austerity and cuts isn't working" - now the same bodies are producing different figures and those people don't want to believe the figures that they did believe when they were bad. All a bit embarrassing really, the cuts and austerity is working, at least Balls has started to admit it now, hopefully soon he'll full blown have to admit he was wrong.

 

Another concern is not  everyone has the financial aptitude to manage their money mentally? I agree some people can't, that's why I find it completely ridiculous instead of giving these people food/clothes vouchers we actually pay cash into their bank, it's like giving a needle, belt and a cooking up spoon to a heroin addict.

[Guest MattP]

The main thrust of his posts seem to be about how  society treats the less well off

 

It's terrible isn't it?, no money and we'll give you a JSA payment that puts you in the top tenth richest set of people in the World. Churn out a kid and you can't afford it we'll get everyone to pay and give you a house and money to bring up the child. You'll get your heating paid for if you can't afford it, need a new kitchen and can't afford it? Don't worry, the local council will be round soon with a new one courtesy of everybody else.

 

Free access to Libraries all day long where you can read and educate yourself until your heart is content.

 

 

Imagine going to a refugee camp in Lebanon and the minute and explaining to two million Syrian refugees how terrible it is in Britain if you haven't got much, I'm not sure if they would laugh or cry.

[Smudge]

Yes I'm sure the owners of the property can diversify, what I'm saying is the retailers themselves have all but gone.

It's like saying that converting old factories into flats is somehow compensating for the loss of manufacturing jobs.

 

Sorry, but although I'm pleased with any sort of improvement , I don't actually feel like doing cartwheels just because the latest figures show a slight improvement.

All around me I still see friends relatives etc still losing jobs , or in fear of it , or having to take jobs with less pay.I still see shops pubs struggling 

 

I'm saying what I'm seeing , not what i'm being told to see.   

I know I wasn't really responding to your point but perhaps offering a solution to the plight of the inner city, sorry for the confusion.

[Rincewind]

 

I'm not sure Ken has ever complained about capitalism or called anyone scum .

The main thrust of his posts seem to be about how  society treats the less well off, and how he believes society can be improved . 

We can disagree with him about how we do that of course. 

I actually consider parts of society maybe has become a little too dependant , but it's too easy to let the pendulum swing too far back. 

 

That's about it. A lot of true life stories are lost within mainstream media. Fleet Street do not view them important enough to  take their reporters away from behind their desks to cover them. It is up to the normal man on the street now to find the news. The opportunity to do so has never been so great for community news. Even a Newsletter in a small village will now make someone in authority sit up and take notice.

 

I don't think I will ever sell enough books to become a millionaire. If I did I'd spend it on booze, women, holidays and the rest I'd waste.

 

If it wasn't for the people that I have met who have been through the system and work with vulnerable people I may have the same views and call them scum.

I hope I would not but if I did I would not have the experience to think how I do now. If that makes sense.

 

I was asked yesterday why i joined DNO. i said it was because I was bored because I was out of work and wanted an interest. I saw Citizens Eye advertised went along to some of their coffee mornings then one week john Coster said We are forming a new agency anyone interested go over there in the corner. So I joined with a couple others and it was explained what it was about and i learned that there were training sessions involved which I thought might be useful and been with them ever since and apart from holiday and illness attended every session which may have helped in getting the sub-editors job.

With that role I can't really call people who we are trying to help get their confidence back scum.

[Rincewind]

http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/09/06/significant-bedroom-tax-tribunal-result-landlord-3-bed-tribunal-1-bed-appeal-appeal-appeal/

[Carl the Llama]

Late to the party, just noticed this thread.  Just thought you'd all like to know that if you pronounce DPD(delivery firm from page one of this thread) in french, it sounds as if you're saying "some gays".

 

Hilarious when you're working in a warehouse and someone shouts across the floor that DPD have arrived.  Use this information wisely.

Edited 6 September 2013 by Carl the Llama

[MooseBreath]

yes you're right of course, our own personal lives and surroundings are going to influence how we perceive things.

For what it's worth though , I think we are still in a very very fragile situation , and I think we are heading for some industrial action which will knock us back down. (Or at least that will take the blame)

Someone informed in financial matters explained to me the other day ( in very simple terms I might add) that UK is in debt to an amount that is equal to 9 times the value of the whole economy . No nation has ever recovered from such a position before a total financial meltdown.

(edit he said we are too dependent on low interest rates and a significant increase could be catastrophic)

Flippin heck I do sound gloomy sometimes

Of course, the debt is the reason for the cuts. Most of the debt will be inflated away eventually, but it's important to reverse the trend Labour set where we were just taking on more and more debt to fund an increasingly ridiculous hand out system. To be achieving accelerating economic growth and reducing the deficit at the same time is good news. Edited 6 September 2013 by MooseBreath

[Zingari]

Of course, the debt is the reason for the cuts. Most of the debt will be inflated away eventually, but it's important to reverse the trend Labour set where we were just taking on more and more debt to fund an increasingly ridiculous hand out system. To be achieving accelerating economic growth and reducing the deficit at the same time is good news.

the national debt is rising 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/500502/20130821/uk-public-debt-gdp-economy-george-osborne.htm

[purpleronnie]

the national debt is rising 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/500502/20130821/uk-public-debt-gdp-economy-george-osborne.htm

Don't believe everything you read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Zingari]

Don't believe everything you read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it's impossible to do that , there's so much contradictory statistics and evidence .

[MooseBreath]

the national debt is rising

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/500502/20130821/uk-public-debt-gdp-economy-george-osborne.htm

Couldn't read that as it redirected me to some porn website. Deffo a credible source. But I know the debt os rising, we're still reducing the deficit. It's the nature of politics I suppose - if the government cut as deeply as required to jump immediately to reducing the debt, they'd be so unpopular with people like you and Ken and the rest that they'd stand no chance of being reelected.

[Rincewind]

Moose this has nothing to do with who gets the blame for the countrys debt this is telling councils the wrong classifications of tenants rooms and the councils applying it without checking.

Even you cannot believe that is right. Read the whole article please.

A room under a certain size is not a bedroom. A broom cupboard is not a bedroom.

Edited 6 September 2013 by Rincewind

[MooseBreath]

Moose this has nothing to do with who gets the blame for the countrys debt this is telling councils the wrong classifications of tenants rooms and the councils applying it without checking.

Even you cannot believe that is right. Read the whole article please.

A room under a certain size is not a bedroom. A broom cupboard is not a bedroom.

Sorry ken, I hadn't read your post and was talking to zingari about something different. I won't be reading that article you posted, because I can't be bothered to read mote crap from whinging scroungers crying about how they're no longer being given as much free stuff after I've just sat down at the end of a 60-hour week.

[absolutelegend]

Zingarii it's from the Guardian so it will be dismissed as leftie propaganda lies.

 

I'll go with that.  The hotel I stay at delivered it to my room by mistake this week.  I took a read, couldn't believe the biased 'journalism' it churned out.  No news, but only editorial propaganda.  Why do they not realise that people aren't stupid and just want news facts, not to be told what their opinion should be on their take on the news.  I guess that appeals to a lot of mindless folk though.

 

I generally don't buy papers nowadays for this reason.

[The God Emperor]

I'm not sure what to think about this recovery. I'm wondering whether it is a real recovery or just another bubble built from more printing and borrowing, Cameron isn't ballsy enough to make any real significant cuts (I'd even seen figures stating that he's spent more than Brown but the reliability of the source is in question).

But more jobs is always good and lets be like good citizens and enjoy the good times until the possible bubble bursts, then we can blame the rich/bankers/thatcher/communist insurgents/Jews/scroungers/immigrants/Zionist space lizards for all our problems     

[Guest MattP]

I'll go with that. The hotel I stay at delivered it to my room by mistake this week. I took a read, couldn't believe the biased 'journalism' it churned out. No news, but only editorial propaganda. Why do they not realise that people aren't stupid and just want news facts, not to be told what their opinion should be on their take on the news. I guess that appeals to a lot of mindless folk though.

I generally don't buy papers nowadays for this reason.

I read it last week after the David Miranda stuff, not a single fact about his detention was given and I read for five minutes about him being a homosexual which in reality had nothing to do with anything.

You have to laugh when the readers of it actually look down their noses at others, you couldn't make it up.

[Guest MattP]

If the government cut as deeply as required to jump immediately to reducing the debt, they'd be so unpopular with people like you and Ken and the rest that they'd stand no chance of being reelected.

Absolute nail on head.

Brown almost succeeded in getting that many of the population dependant on him he still managed to get into a position where he would get 30% vote no matter what mess he got into.

These people care nothing for the country or it's financial state. All they care about how much money they will given for nothing and they know which party will butter their bread.

The scum came very close to running the show, Cameron has two years to make sure that can never happen again.

[The People's Hero]

To be achieving accelerating economic growth and reducing the deficit at the same time is good news.

Look here people, amongst the absolute guff spouted in general in this thread, here is a sound point.

[The Year Of The Fox]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-24001053

Not good news. Anyone know of him?

[Rincewind]

don't recognise him. Can't find which pub. Also says he had no insurance and money had to be raised to bring him home.

[stix]

don't recognise him. Can't find which pub. Also says he had no insurance and money had to be raised to bring him home.

Orange Tree.

[purpleronnie]

Jaguar jobs boom as £1.5billion investment in new family of cars creates thousands of new roles

• The investment will create 1,700 jobs at the manufacturer's Solihull plant
• It will also create several thousand other jobs among its suppliers
• Prime Minister David Cameron said investment another sign of growing economy

 

Car manufacturer Jaguar is to announce more than 1,700 new jobs and £1.5billion of investment to build a new family of small luxury cars including its first ever 4X4.

The investment is set to create up to 7,000 further jobs with UK suppliers making nearly 9,000 jobs in total to create a new generation of hi-tech lightweight but sporty aluminium cars.

Parent company Jaguar Land Rover chose the Frankfurt Motor Show to make the announcement to signal its intent to compete ‘aggressively’ with German rivals such as Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz.

 

Investment: Jaguar will create thousands of jobs by investing in a family of small cars including the firm's first ever 4X4

 

 

Employment boost: The new range will create 1,700 jobs at Jaguar but as many as 7,000 jobs among suppliers

And with a former BMW boss at its head in Dr Ralph Speth, it claims it now knows exactly what is needed to beat the Germans in the market they dominate.

Business minister Michael Fallon said it was a clear case of putting ‘British towels on German sun-loungers.’

The boost was also welcomed by Prime Minister David Cameron as another strong sign of a growing economy.

 

The 1,700 new direct jobs will be at Jaguar Land Rover’s Advanced Manufacturing Facility at Solihull near Birmingham where the new cars will be built.

But JLR said it will also ‘significantly increase’ spending with suppliers, sparking more jobs.

Jaguar says its radical new ‘crossover’ will be just one of a brand new ‘family’ of smaller and more affordable luxury cars that will give German rivals a real run for their money as the firm significantly ramps up production.

Boost: Prime Minister David Cameron described the investment as another sign of a growing economy

The new Jaguar sports utility vehicle is to be built in the UK using a radical new all-aluminium flexible manufacturing system.

Jaguar says its dramatic leap into new segments will allow it to massively increase production by creating a new series of smaller and medium sized spin-off cars designed to take on German rivals such as Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz.

Experts say it will put parent company Jaguar Land Rover on track to more than double production from around 360,000 a year today to around 750,000 by 2020 with some even suggesting a million over a decade. The company itself declines to predict volumes.

But Jaguar Land Rover chief Executive officer Dr. Ralf Speth said: ’Today’s announcement signals Jaguar Land Rover’s ambitions to push the boundaries and redefine premium car ownership.

'At Jaguar Land Rover we place the customer at the heart of everything we do and the introduction of a world class all-new aluminium vehicle architecture means we will be more competitive, flexible and efficient delivering exciting new products for our customers around the world.’

He added: ‘Jaguar Land Rover is a business driven by design, technology and innovation and this investment and level of job creation is yet further evidence of our commitment to advancing the capability of the UK automotive sector and its supply chain.’

The 1,700 new jobs at the Solihull site in the Midlands will bring the total number of UK manufacturing jobs announced by Jaguar Land Rover over the last three years to almost 11,000.

Business Minister Michael Fallon, who is attending the Frankfurt show, welcomed the Jaguar Land Rover announcement.

He said: ‘It’s a great boost for jobs, investment and new models. British car-makers are flying the flag in Germany. We have our British towels on their sun-loungers.’

 

Growing: The 1,700 new jobs at the Solihull site in the Midlands will bring the total number of UK manufacturing jobs announced by Jaguar Land Rover over the last three years to almost 11,000

Business Secretary Vince Cable added: 'Jaguar Land Rover has been experiencing great success over the last couple of years but this ground-breaking project takes Jaguar onto the next level.

'This all aluminium architecture project typifies the type of innovative and high value research and development that the UK excels in and Government is supporting through the automotive industrial strategy.’

A prototype of the new four-door Jaguar SUV - codenamed C-X17 was unveiled on the eve of the Frankfurt motor show in Germany and will be just one of a new line of cars – all based around the same hi-tech all-aluminium lightweight chassis, almost all of it from recycled metal.

However, the very first model off the line using the new flexible chassis ‘architecture’ will be a high volume ‘baby Jaguar saloon car built at its Solihull factory in Birmingham from 2015 to take on BMW’s top selling 3-series.

The sports utility vehicle being shown at Frankfurt is set to follow two years later.