Manwell Pablo Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Fanbase and history is the only 2 things to consider when it comes to the order of size of clubs. Ok Blackburn won the prem once but there crowds are pathetic and that lack of support means there still not a big club despite a top flight title. And there away support is crap as well there's no way Blackburn are bigger than Leicester. If I did a league of 92 in order of size we would come probably between 15th and 18th. We're better supported them at the moment, which in the grand scheme of things, means **** all. We finished sixth, they finished mid table and were miserable for large parts of the season. It affects attendances If you want to go down that route, Brighton are the biggest team in the Championship. EDIT: And they've actually won the league three times, not once
Fox92 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 We're behind Blackburn so I'll take it with a pinch of salt. Same. (Not the fact we're behind Blackburn, but there's no way Blackburn are bigger than West Ham, for example). Top ten are pretty spot on though.
Kitchandro Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 And how do you measure fan base. Well we can safely say Blackburn's is smaller than ours. Home or away support take your pick. You can use stats from a bygone age to prove anything, Preston and Huddersfield aren't big clubs now because they've got no potnetial now, they'll be 2nd tier clubs at best for the majority of the next 10, 20 even 30 years. Blackburn probably similar to be fair. So what makes them big clubs NOW? People who just throw trophies from years ago (and yes I know Blackburn won the Premiership in 1995 but that's hardly representative of their club even at that time let alone now) as a reason for a club being big are not really thinking about it. These clubs aren't big NOW. I could easily say that Blackburn were out of the top flight for about 30 years, which has never happened to us. How does a big club spend that long out of the top flight? If us and Blackburn were both in the Premiership and had similar money we'd be a far more inticing prospect.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 And how do you measure fan base. FIFA. Premier League 1. Manchester United – 1,714,360 2. Arsenal – 1,315,174 3. Chelsea – 946,982 4. Liverpool – 706,448 5. Manchester City – 523,113 6. Tottenham Hotspur – 226,235 7. Newcastle United – 139,940 8. Aston Villa – 83,796 9. Everton – 71,356 10. West Ham United – 71,067 11. Leeds United – 59,771 12. Sunderland – 32,750 13. Swansea City – 30,481 14. Southampton – 27,072 15. Queens Park Rangers – 23,531 16. Birmingham City – 22,830 17. Wolverhampton Wanderers – 22,549 18. Nottingham Forest - 21,060 19. West Bromwich Albion – 20,451 20. Stoke City – 20,312 Championship 1. Norwich City – 19,754 2. Middlesbrough – 18,234 3. Fulham – 17,870 4. Cardiff City – 16,990 5. Leicester City - 16,948 6. Sheffield Wednesday – 15,543 7. Blackburn Rovers – 14,058 8. Wigan Athletic – 13,946 9. Portsmouth – 13,896 10. Derby County - 13,037 11. Bolton Wanderers – 11,924 12. Crystal Palace – 11,916 13. Reading – 11,330 14. Sheffield United – 11,311 15. Millwall – 9,244 16. Hull City – 8,749 17. Ipswich Town – 8,656 18. Coventry City – 8,387 19. Barnsley – 8,355 20. Brighton & Hove Albion – 8,112 21. Charlton Athletic – 7,123 22. Bristol City – 6,476 23. Burnley – 6,111 24. Blackpool – 6,099 League One 1. Bradford City – 6,070 2. Watford – 5,673 3. Huddersfield Town – 5,420 4. Bournemouth – 4,755 5. Accrington Stanley – 4,142 6. Swindon Town – 3,972 7. Plymouth Argyle – 3,837 8. Preston North End – 3,837 9. York City – 3,453 10. Bristol Rovers – 3,178 11. Peterborough United – 3,174 12. Doncaster Rovers – 3,141 13. Northampton Town - 3,127 14. Rotherham United – 2,903 15. Gillingham – 2,818 16. Oxford United – 2,792 17. Notts County - 2,398 18. Port Vale – 2,391 19. AFC Wimbledon – 2,386 20. Southend United – 2,299 21. Brentford – 2,147 22. Oldham Athletic – 2,139 23. Chesterfield - 2,138 24. Yeovil Town - 1,971 League Two 1. Milton Keynes Dons – 1,954 2. Tranmere Rovers – 1,950 3. Walsall – 1,894 4. Carlisle United – 1,892 5. Shrewsbury Town – 1,871 6. Exeter City – 1,791 7. Crawley Town – 1,716 8. Crewe Alexandra - 1,709 9. Wycombe Wanderers - 1,512 10. Stevenage – 1,450 11. Scunthorpe United - 1,418 12. Cheltenham Town – 1,375 13. Hartlepool - 1,359 14. Leyton Orient - 1,353 15. Torquay United – 1,323 16. Barnet - 1,280 17. Bury – 1,271 18. Colchester United - 1,258 19. Burton Albion – 1,207 20. Aldershot Town – 1,164 21. Rochdale – 1,134 22. Dagenham and Redbridge - 1,073 23. Fleetwood Town - 1,056 24. Morecambe – 1,043
Kitchandro Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 We're better supported them at the moment, which in the grand scheme of things, means **** all. We finished sixth, they finished mid table and were miserable for large parts of the season. It affects attendances If you want to go down that route, Brighton are the biggest team in the Championship. EDIT: And they've actually won the league three times, not once Oh and league titles from the past mean something now? What a silly thing to say. Blackburn averaged about 24,000 in the Premiership, we were averaging about that in this league a few years ago. How many thousand were Blackburn behind us last season? A lot I'm sure. If Blackburn finished 10 places higher than us we'd still have significantly bigger attendances than them - home and probably away too. Of that I am sure and you're just being awkward if you disagree. That is how you can tell who the bigger club is, even if they go through a crap period they'll have realtively steady attendances and better ones than smaller clubs even if said smaller clubs are doing better. We'll have more fans than Blackburn for the forseeable future. And no Brighton aren't the biggest team in the Championship because their crowds won't last, they're a flash in the pan because of a new stadium and good comparitive on pitch performance. Big clubs have consistently good attendances for many years.
Webbo Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 FIFA. Premier League 1. Manchester United – 1,714,360 2. Arsenal – 1,315,174 3. Chelsea – 946,982 4. Liverpool – 706,448 Championship 5. Leicester City - 16,948 How are those figures derived? If it's average attendance ours is higher than that and ManU can't 1.7 million in their ground.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 How are those figures derived? If it's average attendance ours is higher than that and ManU can't 1.7 million in their ground. Basically when you first play FIFA the game asks you which team you support and this is then linked to your online profile.
Webbo Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Basically when you first play FIFA the game asks you which team you support and this is then linked to your online profile. So it's based on a video game?
Corky Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 I can't believe you take into account a computer game when judging the size of a fanbase.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 So it's based on a video game? Yes. Did you think I was talking about FIFA as in Sepp Blatter's mob?
Fox92 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 You seriously can't judge it on a video game imo. The people who don't like football/don't know much are easily going to select a side such as Manchester United.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 I can't believe you take into account a computer game when judging the size of a fanbase. But this game has sold around 15 million copies so that's a massive sample size right there.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 You seriously can't judge it on a video game imo. The people who don't like football/don't know much are easily going to select a side such as Manchester United. But how many people who aren't football fans would play a football video game? Not many. And this would only affect the top few teams really. I'd imagine that every one of the 16,948 Leicester City supporters on the game are actually Foxes.
Webbo Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 But how many people who aren't football fans would play a football video game? Not many. And this would only affect the top few teams really. I'd imagine that every one of the 16,948 Leicester City supporters on the game are actually Foxes. Not all football fans play computer games.
MC Prussian Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 But this game has sold around 15 million copies so that's a massive sample size right there. It's no wonder that the numbers are skewed - the majority of FIFA players are massive fairweather and armchair fans and change their allegiance on a regular basis - it just depends on which team won the Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga or the Champions League/Europa League. Those numbers are probably as representative as a quick survey on the streets of Leicester.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Not all football fans play computer games. I know but it's a sample. You'll never be able to poll all football fans unless the government decide to ask about it in the next census.
Jordan Posted 30 July 2013 Posted 30 July 2013 Who cares? Seriously, guys: is there a more pointless pastime than discussing which clubs are "bigger" than others?
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 30 July 2013 Posted 30 July 2013 Me and an Argyle fan have had a go at ranking the 92 Premier League and Football League clubs by 'size'. http://thechriswhitingshow.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/english-footballs-biggest-clubs-revealed/ You and the Argyle fan need to get out more
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2013 Posted 30 July 2013 Well we can safely say Blackburn's is smaller than ours. Home or away support take your pick. You can use stats from a bygone age to prove anything, Preston and Huddersfield aren't big clubs now because they've got no potnetial now, they'll be 2nd tier clubs at best for the majority of the next 10, 20 even 30 years. Blackburn probably similar to be fair. So what makes them big clubs NOW? People who just throw trophies from years ago (and yes I know Blackburn won the Premiership in 1995 but that's hardly representative of their club even at that time let alone now) as a reason for a club being big are not really thinking about it. These clubs aren't big NOW. I could easily say that Blackburn were out of the top flight for about 30 years, which has never happened to us. How does a big club spend that long out of the top flight? If us and Blackburn were both in the Premiership and had similar money we'd be a far more inticing prospect. Disagree, I don't see why, we've similar capacity in terms of stadium potential and their twice as well known over seas, loads more off shore potential than us. And its alright saying Blackburn aren't big now, we aren't big now, we've not graced the top league for 10 years and have recently had to claw ourselves up from the lowest league we've ever played in. A club is it's history from start to finish it counts just as much as how many fans are walking through the door. Otherwise your saying the likes of Brighton, Reading, Cardiff, are bigger clubs than us and we're actually more like 23rd as oppose to 20th.
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2013 Posted 30 July 2013 FIFA. Premier League 1. Manchester United – 1,714,360 2. Arsenal – 1,315,174 3. Chelsea – 946,982 4. Liverpool – 706,448 5. Manchester City – 523,113 6. Tottenham Hotspur – 226,235 7. Newcastle United – 139,940 8. Aston Villa – 83,796 9. Everton – 71,356 10. West Ham United – 71,067 11. Leeds United – 59,771 12. Sunderland – 32,750 13. Swansea City – 30,481 14. Southampton – 27,072 15. Queens Park Rangers – 23,531 16. Birmingham City – 22,830 17. Wolverhampton Wanderers – 22,549 18. Nottingham Forest - 21,060 19. West Bromwich Albion – 20,451 20. Stoke City – 20,312 Championship 1. Norwich City – 19,754 2. Middlesbrough – 18,234 3. Fulham – 17,870 4. Cardiff City – 16,990 5. Leicester City - 16,948 6. Sheffield Wednesday – 15,543 7. Blackburn Rovers – 14,058 8. Wigan Athletic – 13,946 9. Portsmouth – 13,896 10. Derby County - 13,037 11. Bolton Wanderers – 11,924 12. Crystal Palace – 11,916 13. Reading – 11,330 14. Sheffield United – 11,311 15. Millwall – 9,244 16. Hull City – 8,749 17. Ipswich Town – 8,656 18. Coventry City – 8,387 19. Barnsley – 8,355 20. Brighton & Hove Albion – 8,112 21. Charlton Athletic – 7,123 22. Bristol City – 6,476 23. Burnley – 6,111 24. Blackpool – 6,099 League One 1. Bradford City – 6,070 2. Watford – 5,673 3. Huddersfield Town – 5,420 4. Bournemouth – 4,755 5. Accrington Stanley – 4,142 6. Swindon Town – 3,972 7. Plymouth Argyle – 3,837 8. Preston North End – 3,837 9. York City – 3,453 10. Bristol Rovers – 3,178 11. Peterborough United – 3,174 12. Doncaster Rovers – 3,141 13. Northampton Town - 3,127 14. Rotherham United – 2,903 15. Gillingham – 2,818 16. Oxford United – 2,792 17. Notts County - 2,398 18. Port Vale – 2,391 19. AFC Wimbledon – 2,386 20. Southend United – 2,299 21. Brentford – 2,147 22. Oldham Athletic – 2,139 23. Chesterfield - 2,138 24. Yeovil Town - 1,971 League Two 1. Milton Keynes Dons – 1,954 2. Tranmere Rovers – 1,950 3. Walsall – 1,894 4. Carlisle United – 1,892 5. Shrewsbury Town – 1,871 6. Exeter City – 1,791 7. Crawley Town – 1,716 8. Crewe Alexandra - 1,709 9. Wycombe Wanderers - 1,512 10. Stevenage – 1,450 11. Scunthorpe United - 1,418 12. Cheltenham Town – 1,375 13. Hartlepool - 1,359 14. Leyton Orient - 1,353 15. Torquay United – 1,323 16. Barnet - 1,280 17. Bury – 1,271 18. Colchester United - 1,258 19. Burton Albion – 1,207 20. Aldershot Town – 1,164 21. Rochdale – 1,134 22. Dagenham and Redbridge - 1,073 23. Fleetwood Town - 1,056 24. Morecambe – 1,043 So what your saying is Birmingham, Cardiff, Swansea City, QPR, Middlesborough are all bigger clubs than us and we're actually 25th as opposed to 20th? EDIT: Oh right it's from FIFA, sorry you're right I forgot that faultless analytic tool I do apologies
Basingstoke Fox Posted 30 July 2013 Posted 30 July 2013 I have to agree, this is a great effort! I think most clubs seem to be placed fairly (which makes sense given that there is a logical scoring system behind it). It's interesting seeing where certain clubs are placed. I like the fact that the history has been taken into account because once upon a time, clubs like Villa, Wolves and Sunderland were amongst the biggest. I also like seeing this interlinked with the fanbases of all the respective clubs too. It's disappointing that we're behind Derby though.
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