You're the ref!

[The Doctor]

What about Knocky's 'swag pants'?

 

 

Gabor Kiraly style (or was it Pajamas he played in?)

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

If you take the kick directly and direct the indirect free kick indirectly,directly the ref will blow his whistle, as the directive, states indirect kicks directly taken directly, and direct at goal indirectly, directly infringes the ref's directive again.  Simple!     

[okie fox]

I have a question for Pleatout.

It's Leicester versus Wigan.  Wigan kick off and pass the ball around.  Their full back fails to notice Vardy, who is beyond the last defender (apart from the goalkeeper).  He passes the ball back to the keeper, who under pressure from Vardy, slices the ball into his own net.  No Leicester player has touched the ball since the kickoff.  Is it a goal or offside?

[Bert]

Goal surely

[Harry - LCFC]

Goal. Can't be offside if an opposing player has played the ball.

 

EDIT: If that isn't a goal, wtf

[The Doctor]

That's an own goal, offside isn't relevant on balls played back by the opposition.

[Corky]

Ref mind games!

 

Of course it is 6 and 18 yards what else would it be

 

One last one for now.

 

Boxing Day, coldsnap but the game against Leeds is on.

 

Kasper is worried about getting cold - he spots the new KING POWER Onesie in bright red in the club shop.  No colour clash there he thinks.  It's complete with sponsor name etc etc.

 

Why as a ref [not a fashion critic] are you going to tell him he cant wear it?

 

Please don't- you'll give the club ideas.

[Swiss_tony]

a bit late to the party.

you cannot score an own goal directly from a dead ball, free kick (direct and indirect), corner kick, goal kick, throw in, penalty, kick off.

in all cases, a corner is awrded to the opposition.

[Dan]

Genuinely never knew any of that. Fair play.

[pleatout]

I have a question for Pleatout.

It's Leicester versus Wigan.  Wigan kick off and pass the ball around.  Their full back fails to notice Vardy, who is beyond the last defender (apart from the goalkeeper).  He passes the ball back to the keeper, who under pressure from Vardy, slices the ball into his own net.  No Leicester player has touched the ball since the kickoff.  Is it a goal or offside?

Goal.

 

Can't be offside.  Vardy would be judged to be on or offside when the ball is played by a Leicester player.  Since no Leicester player has touched the ball and, at kick off he was onside [in his own half] then he has always been onside even if he's standing next to the Wigan keeper.

 

 

Had a rethink and ...... he has never been interfering with play/an opponent/gaining an advantage.  Although he is in an offside position.

 

The law states that it is NOT an offence to be in an offside position.  A player must be in an offside position AND either interfering with play, interfering with an opponent [ooh matron] or gaining an advantage by being in that position WHEN the ball is played by a member of his own team. 

 

He cannot therefore be commiting an offence as no member of his team has played the ball.

 

also

 

To be interfering with play he must play the ball - he hasn't

To be interfering with an oppoent he must be in direct line of sight of the opponent and therefore obscuring his vision [having his hand in the keepers shorts is serious foul play and a red card]

To gain an advantage it must come to him off the post, crossbar or keeper/defender

 

None of which happened

[pleatout]

a bit late to the party.

you cannot score an own goal directly from a dead ball, free kick (direct and indirect), corner kick, goal kick, throw in, penalty, kick off.

in all cases, a corner is awrded to the opposition.

awww, you've knicked mi next question.  Goal kick, windy day, Kasper lumps it and it blows back over his head.

 

Disagree with an own goal from a kick off though

Law 8 - the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward

 

And Own goal from penalty

Law 14 The player taking the penalty kick must kick the ball forward

 

If the wind is that strong that in either case a ball kicked forward blows back into thier own goal then I think the game should be abandoned as there is a hurricane blowing.

[Swiss_tony]

awww, you've knicked mi next question.  Goal kick, windy day, Kasper lumps it and it blows back over his head.

 

Disagree with an own goal from a kick off though

Law 8 - the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward

 

And Own goal from penalty

Law 14 The player taking the penalty kick must kick the ball forward

 

If the wind is that strong that in either case a ball kicked forward blows back into thier own goal then I think the game should be abandoned as there is a hurricane blowing.

technically you are correct on pk and kick off. but has it ever happened on a full sized pitch? you may as well ask if a super strong pidgeon picks up the ball from a kickoff and dumps it in the starting teams net, what do you give?

[The Doctor]

technically you are correct on pk and kick off. but has it ever happened on a full sized pitch? you may as well ask if a super strong pidgeon picks up the ball from a kickoff and dumps it in the starting teams net, what do you give?

 

A shotgun to each player and start the greatest hunt of all time.

[pleatout]

technically you are correct on pk and kick off. but has it ever happened on a full sized pitch? you may as well ask if a super strong pidgeon picks up the ball from a kickoff and dumps it in the starting teams net, what do you give?

Doubt it but if your superstrong pidgeon [the spelling looks wrong but right at the same time!] did steal the ball it is covered [as is the more likely dog].

 

Stop play and...."A dropped ball is a method of restarting play when, while the ball is still in play, the referee is required to stop play temporarily for any reason not mentioned elsewhere in the Laws of the Game"

 

It all comes under "outside interference" and "Non-regulation appurtenances" in the advice on application of the laws of the game.

 

 

There are cases of overhanging branches etc causing issues.  But I suspect that the groundsman at the KP would have a bigger problem if we had overhanging branches

[Captain...]

Oi! Ref.

 

What's your view on the Yeovil Birmingham debacle, and are refs given any instructions on how to deal with such an incident?

 

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/yeovil-gift-birmingham-a-goal-after-their-ungentlemanly-strike-in-the-league-cup-radio-commentary/

 

If you don't know what I mean.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Or because someone asked me to when I made the point that refs explaining decisions wouldn't make much difference as significant numbers of players, managers and fans don't understand the laws of the game.

 

My point was and is a lot of comments made about refs is based on the mistaken belief that "what I was told by my PE teacher/junior football manager/sunday football manager is correct".  And sadly it isn't.  I despise Dennis Wise for a number of reasons and in there is the simple fact that he argued with a ref over an offside decision, when he clearly had no idea what he was talking about.  This bloke played for England and made a living playing a sport he didnt understand.

 

I didn't say ref gave free kicks that weren't free kicks.  Refs will give free kicks instead of playing advantage.  If refs gave every free kick they could, according to the laws of the game it would last days and be as dull as ditch water.

Fine post by someone who is "in the know", so to speak. Well said sir!

[Manwell Pablo]

a bit late to the party.

you cannot score an own goal directly from a dead ball, free kick (direct and indirect), corner kick, goal kick, throw in, penalty, kick off.

in all cases, a corner is awrded to the opposition.

 

That would be impossible, ball has to go forward

[Swiss_tony]

That would be impossible, ball has to go forward

improbable, not impossible.

a - it's a windy day, you kick  the ball forward, the wind takes it and send it back into your own goal.

b - you try to score from kick off, ball hits opposition bar and rebounds into own goal.

c - same as b but you hit the ref with it.

[Swiss_tony]

Doubt it but if your superstrong pidgeon [the spelling looks wrong but right at the same time!] did steal the ball it is covered [as is the more likely dog].

 

Stop play and...."A dropped ball is a method of restarting play when, while the ball is still in play, the referee is required to stop play temporarily for any reason not mentioned elsewhere in the Laws of the Game"

 

It all comes under "outside interference" and "Non-regulation appurtenances" in the advice on application of the laws of the game.

 

 

There are cases of overhanging branches etc causing issues.  But I suspect that the groundsman at the KP would have a bigger problem if we had overhanging branches

correct, i was just pointing out the absurdity.

about as absurd as a ball hitting a beach ball and going into the net and the ref allowing the goal ....

[pleatout]

correct, i was just pointing out the absurdity.

about as absurd as a ball hitting a beach ball and going into the net and the ref allowing the goal ....

Oooh, now there's a complete and utter cock up if ever there was one.  If some of the prem refs [Like Roger Milford used to] turned out on a sunday regularly they'd pick up stuff like that straight away.  Get on Vicky Park, you've got both eyes on your game and the ones in the back of your head on the other pitches either side, the dogs, the kids on bikes etc etc etc.  I had a motor bike go through the centre circle on western park once. You dont have to deal with that at Old Trafford!

[pleatout]

Oi! Ref.

 

What's your view on the Yeovil Birmingham debacle, and are refs given any instructions on how to deal with such an incident?

 

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/yeovil-gift-birmingham-a-goal-after-their-ungentlemanly-strike-in-the-league-cup-radio-commentary/

 

If you don't know what I mean.

AFAIK refs aren't given instructions on this.

 

In law - the goal stands, there is nothing the ref can do.  Practically, when asked about the Overmars/Kanu "goal" a few years ago, I've always said I'd give a foul throw as soon as I realised it wasn't going back to the 'keeper.  Others would tell me I'm wrong to "make up a decision" but when I did the course many moons ago we were told "sooner give a dodgy decision than a dodgy goal".

 

But all in all the players screw it up and everyone looks at the ref to sort it out and when there isn't a "way out" they all blame the ref.

[jammie82uk]

Pleatout I have a question if you would be as kind to answer

I have seen a few man united games this season where they have got a corner rio ferdinand has deliberately taken up a position off the pitch behind the back post and come back on the pitch as the kick is taken

Is he gaining any advantage by doing this?

[Captain...]

Pleatout I have a question if you would be as kind to answer

I have seen a few man united games this season where they have got a corner rio ferdinand has deliberately taken up a position off the pitch behind the back post and come back on the pitch as the kick is taken

Is he gaining any advantage by doing this?

 

I remember something similar to this, the player had gone off the pitch so as not to be offside, if you're off the pitch you can't be offside, then came back on the pitch as the ball broke out towards him off the keeper, I think it was given as entering the field of play without permission.

 

I do think that players who deliberately take up an offside position before a free kick is taken should be penalised, it is trying to gain an advantage whilst within the letter of the law it is not within the spirit of the game.

[Swiss_tony]

I remember something similar to this, the player had gone off the pitch so as not to be offside, if you're off the pitch you can't be offside, then came back on the pitch as the ball broke out towards him off the keeper, I think it was given as entering the field of play without permission.

 

I do think that players who deliberately take up an offside position before a free kick is taken should be penalised, it is trying to gain an advantage whilst within the letter of the law it is not within the spirit of the game.

it's up to the ref as to the 'deliberateness' of the leaving.

if you leave the field of play as part of play ie you were running fast and couldn't stop in time, you can reenter the field as you left it, without the refs permission. if you walk off when the ball is not in play say at a dead ball, it would be deliberate. as such you cannot reenter without the refs permission and if you do and subsequently touch the ball it's an immediate freekick (plus a compulsory yellow for leaving without permission). as i say it's up to the ref.

if a defender is past the goalline and the ball is still in play, he is classed as being on the goal line since he can't leave the field without the refs permission, very important to know for calling offsides. not sure about attackers, but i think it's the same, you are classed as being on  the goal  line. in ferdinands case it wouldn't matter seeing as you can't be offside from a corner, the defender should know he's coming back on and mark him. if i was the ref, i would book him for deliberately leaving the field, but another ref might not.

[justfoxes]

I could probably do a better job than half the crap the FA dish out to officiate in the championship !!

But seriously these guys need to be regulated and audited on their performances and as in most professional bodies all need to be held responsible for their actions !