Rincewind Posted 5 October 2013 Posted 5 October 2013 Found this forum when I was looking for something in relation to a poem I am about to put on my blog. It is an old thread that has been archived. Bit deep for me but I'n sure some on here will understand it. http://forums.philosophyforums.com/threads/chavs-and-the-working-classord46-48210.html Anyway if nothing else this thread may bring a smile or be lost on page 50.
Tielemans63 Posted 5 October 2013 Posted 5 October 2013 Is the misspelling of intellectual an ironic thing?
Rincewind Posted 5 October 2013 Author Posted 5 October 2013 Is the misspelling of intellectual an ironic thing? No my spellchecker never picked up on it. It didn't look right to me. Although I think I only missed a L out. Maybe the SC doesn't check topic titles. Just tested it and it came up wrong. peak fam?
ADK Posted 5 October 2013 Posted 5 October 2013 Chav is a sub-culture it's not anything to do with class.
Tielemans63 Posted 5 October 2013 Posted 5 October 2013 No my spellchecker never picked up on it. It didn't look right to me. Although I think I only missed a L out. Maybe the SC doesn't check topic titles. Just tested it and it came up wrong. I'm only teasing you Rincey!
Guest Bilo Posted 5 October 2013 Posted 5 October 2013 The idea that criticism of chavs is anti-working class really annoys me. I'm from a working class background, most people I associate with are from a working class background too. The idea that working class = chavs is an insulting one; you don't have to subscribe to the deliberately anti-intellectual, grasping, materialistic culture chavs swear by to call yourself working class. I understand the motives of the social commentators who call criticism of chavs a symptom of class hatred and think there are some valid arguments there, but they're wide of the mark when stating only middle class snobs are hostile to chav culture. The British social scene is far too diverse these days to make such narrow generalisations.
pSinatra Posted 5 October 2013 Posted 5 October 2013 A prejudiced opinion & a way of making people feel superior over others.
Guest Bilo Posted 5 October 2013 Posted 5 October 2013 Chav is a sub-culture it's not anything to do with class. Exactly. There are plenty of middle-class people who try to be 'street' and subscribe to the subculture.
Rincewind Posted 5 October 2013 Author Posted 5 October 2013 The idea that criticism of chavs is anti-working class really annoys me. I'm from a working class background, most people I associate with are from a working class background too. The idea that working class = chavs is an insulting one; you don't have to subscribe to the deliberately anti-intellectual, grasping, materialistic culture chavs swear by to call yourself working class. I understand the motives of the social commentators who call criticism of chavs a symptom of class hatred and think there are some valid arguments there, but they're wide of the mark when stating only middle class snobs are hostile to chav culture. The British social scene is far too diverse these days to make such narrow generalisations. Came upon the forum by chance. Named a poem Chavs Philosophy and wanted to check on the meaning of chav. I googled the title and found the forum. Also found the acronym CHAV Council Housed and Violent. The word goes back around 100 years.
Rincewind Posted 5 October 2013 Author Posted 5 October 2013 How to avoid a chav http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-%22Chavs%22
Raj Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 I aint clever enough to have an intellectual discussion about owt..but i fcuking hate chavs!(and Liverpool "fans")
Strokes Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 I don't think working class is what it used to be, now there is clearly a welfare class. It's not a complete negative but I think a lot of what gets described as chavs fit in to this class.
Finnegan Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 Exactly. There are plenty of middle-class people who try to be 'street' and subscribe to the subculture. Sorry both but that's bollocks. It may not be limited to a singular class but it clearly has it's foundations very deep in the class system.
Guest Bilo Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 Sorry both but that's bollocks. It may not be limited to a singular class but it clearly has it's foundations very deep in the class system. It may find its roots with some parts of the working class, but it came to transcend class once celebrities latched onto it and publicity grew. That being said, I do think we're having this discussion a few years late. The 'chav' subculture has been lampooned so much in the media that it can't possibly be fashionable or desirable, you hardly see an actual chav these days.
Rincewind Posted 6 October 2013 Author Posted 6 October 2013 The poem i did was a dig at the Jeremy Kyle type show and I was stuck for a title or a description for the type of people that went on. Toyed with Ode to Jeremy Kyle but it isn't an ode format. Chav was the closest description and most would know what I meant. Apologies to any Chavs offended. I hope to add more of a light-hearted nature. Well most of them. I want them to be new on the blog anyway.
The People's Hero Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 Don't be apologising to chavs. It's a lifestyle choice and you're entitled to criticise if you choose to do so
FoxesAreBlue Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 Collins English Dictionary definition: chav (tʃæv ) Definitions noun (Southern England, informal, derogatory) a young working-class person whose tastes, although sometimes expensive, are considered vulgar by some
Ashley Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 Collins English Dictionary definition: chav (tʃæv ) Definitions noun (Southern England, informal, derogatory) a young working-class person whose tastes, although sometimes expensive, are considered vulgar by some An example of one please? Pictures? Is a football hooligan a chav because he wears Stone Island or Buberry? Or is a chav someone like Vicky Pollard.
ADK Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 Interesting how the dictionary defines chavs as specifically working class. I've kind of stopped using the word anyway.
ADK Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 An example of one please? Pictures? Is a football hooligan a chav because he wears Stone Island or Buberry? Or is a chav someone like Vicky Pollard. They are both by definition chavs.
Ashley Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 They are both by definition chavs. I wouldn't say a football hooligan is for wearing brands such as Stone Island. No.
Charl91 Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 I wouldn't say a football hooligan is for wearing brands such as Stone Island. No. If they're a football 'hooligan', and they wear burberry, I would say they're definitely a chav.
Ashley Posted 6 October 2013 Posted 6 October 2013 If they're a football 'hooligan', and they wear burberry, I would say they're definitely a chav. To be honest you don't really see Burberry on the terraces anymore but I you take jobs into consideration, some hooligans that have been arrested before are lawyers or have very top end jobs. Are they still a chav?
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