Standers in N block ejected, Banned and cancelled season tickets

[svensson]

Plenty of little kids have done wrong in the Family Stand. Some used to make card aeroplanes out of the flyers handed out, one hitting a small lad who sat behind me. Did the stewards throw them out? Did the stewards remove kids who threw sweets around in the Family Stand?

I think you know the answer. So yeah, throwing out someone for standing, which will cause no injury, is wrong when they've overlooked potentially dangerous behaviour from the beloved kids and parents they adore.

Come on.... We are talking about adults here, your point is irellivent.

[Corky]

Come on.... We are talking about adults here, your point is irellivent.

 

Oh ok, we'll target adults who stand up and no more but ignore kids throwing stuff that could cause injury.

 

And how is it irrelevant? We are talking about going against ground regulations, in this case both are but one is ignored.

[svensson]

Oh ok, we'll target adults who stand up and no more but ignore kids throwing stuff that could cause injury.

And how is it irrelevant? We are talking about going against ground regulations, in this case both are but one is ignored.

How about you make a new thread up and bore off...

[Corky]

How about you make a new thread up and bore off...

 

Ooh, calm down, you don't need to get aggressive

 

I know you haven't got a response but there's no need for that.

[Guest Bilo]

Wow, Svensson.

You really won the argument with that comment.

[svensson]

Ooh, calm down, you don't need to get aggressive

I know you haven't got a response but there's no need for that.

Nah I won't engage on it, it has zero relevence with what I am saying... if a grown man can't take punishment unjust or otherwise for actually being in the wrong without crying on a forum than we have problems...

Couldn't be calmer, if you think the term bore off is someone getting het up, i think you are a bit sheltered...

Wow, Svensson.

You really won the argument with that comment.

Thanks, appreciate the input, means a lot coming from someone like you.

[Harry - LCFC]

Nah I won't engage on it, it has zero relevence with what I am saying... if a grown man can't take punishment unjust or otherwise for actually being in the wrong without crying on a forum than we have problems...

Couldn't be calmer, if you think the term bore off is someone getting het up, i think you are a bit sheltered...

 

Again it's worth highlighting that the rules could be better written in this case. I've explained already how the club has created a conflict of interest by implementing the rules as it has done, this could be avoid very easily if it were to change them and then these people wouldn't be in the wrong.

[Guest Bilo]

I'm still waiting for a concrete definition of persistent standing.

I want specific time parameters, mitigating circumstances, aggravating factors, the blooming works.

I mean; if there isn't a specific definition of what persistent standing actually is, people could just pick on individual fans purely to go on a power trip and make an example of people.

Of course I'm not suggesting that's what's happening here; people in authority would never do such a thing, which is a key reason why they're infallible and must be obeyed, but it must be theoretically possible.

[svensson]

Again it's worth highlighting that the rules could be better written in this case. I've explained already how the club has created a conflict of interest by implementing the rules as it has done, this could be avoid very easily if it were to change them and then these people wouldn't be in the

Any excuse eh... Take some responsibility for yourself instead of looking to blame others...

[EnglishOxide]

Agree with Svensson here.

 

It's happened for years.

 

'Oooh, i was ejected, i did nothing wrong'.

 

You broke the rules, which are on the back of your ticket. As an adult, you should accept your punishment or do something about it.

 

Moaning on FoxesTalk is not fixing anything.

 

You talk about Germany and other parts of the world where fan culture means something. That's there. Not here. Football fans barely care anymore, and they certainly can't organise themselves to force the club into changes. Most of you people can't even organise yourselves into one section of the stadium for **** sake. Move to L, is it full? Oh, move to K then. Is it full? Next one. Don't bitch on here that you are being victimised when the chances are that you won't be if you move to another part of the stadium.

 

It's not ****ing difficult. Grow up.

[The Year Of The Fox]

This thread is starting to piss me off now. Fortunately people who deem rail seating to still be dangerous and/or all people who stand and sing at the football are thugs are in the tiniest minority.

My view on this is pretty simple. I hate how the club try to quell any remaining atmosphere we have. I dont mean this N block issue but the mixed zone on Saturday, their pricing out of the average young bloke who shall want to go and sing at the match. It's on the whole not just lcfc though. We are lucky to have l and k as they are so let's be happy at that. Until rail seating is introduced (and it will be one day) we will not be allowed to stand elsewhere in the ground (on a scale as big or even as half as big as l and k)

Anyone who believes differently should wake up. I must say im getting a bit hacked off with this 5 man crusade against the club with their handling of N. As I said before I'd be livid if l and k were ever clamped down on thanks to some tits who are too ignorant to listen to what's being said.

[Guest Bilo]

Are you still a match steward?

If so, your attitude towards people who effectively pay your wages every other Saturday is concerning.

[Weller in Tights]

Yeah loads has gone wrong, cretins like you support my club... Why if asked to do something by a man/woman in authority do you choose to ignore it? Is it big/clever? Are you better than them?

Wow, I remember being banned from here for a couple of days and my thread taking off when I was having a laugh about rugby.

You continually prattle on like the Editor of the Daily Mail or LIKE (notice I say like not that you are, don't want you threatening libel, like you did to an earlier poster) the editor of a pre 2nd world war 2 Nazi Journal, and do you get banned???

Are you not only a club spokesman but also a Mod on here???

You have totally ignored the very reasonable argents of the people on here. Instead you appear to assume they are all old style hooligans who in some way are just determined to cause trouble rather than just trying to improve the atmosphere.

Have you even bothered reading all the posts???

Go and watch Arsenal, you know you want to or maybe even the Tigers.

[LCFC FOX]

Even if the stewards did try and make L and K sit do you think they would? No. 

 

People saying if L and K are full try the next block. Well N is the next block next to L...

[Harry - LCFC]

Again it's worth highlighting that the rules could be better written in this case. I've explained already how the club has created a conflict of interest by implementing the rules as it has done, this could be avoid very easily if it were to change them and then these people wouldn't be in the

Any excuse eh... Take some responsibility for yourself instead of looking to blame others...

 

I find it extremely obvious that in this case the rules have indeed been written wrongly. There is simply no way that an even moderately intelligent human being would put the family stand next to the most abusive part of the ground - the away fans. It does not make sense, therefore it should be moved.

 

I've explained that so many times now and no-one has been able to provide an adequate reason why my suggestion should not be carried out, am I to assume that my idea is a good one this being the case? I rather think so.

 

What amuses me most is that my suggestion actually provides more protection to children not less - I'm helping them not hindering them FFS. People are just resisting it because they don't want to tell me I'm right (which I am).

 

PS - apologies for the arrogance but I'm just fvcking right. Shifting the family stand over helps everyone so there's really no reason to go against the idea.

[EnglishOxide]

Are you still a match steward?

If so, your attitude towards people who effectively pay your wages every other Saturday is concerning.

 

 

 

My attitude is towards people who don't help themselves and continue to play the victim card.

 

Like it or not, the people who are chucked out are those for breaking several regulations (standing, not doing as a steward requests and abusive behaviour).

 

Nobody ever gets chucked out for standing in L or K, yet people refuse to bulk out that section.

 

My experience is usually that those who are chucked out deserve to be chucked out because they are acting like twats.

 

Nobody ever gets chucked out out of the blue, they are warned of their behaviour beforehand too.

 

So any adult can only have themselves to blame.

 

For what its worth, i support standing, i want safe standing. But it's not here, and therefore standers only options are L/K/J where i have never heard of anybody being chucked out for standing as a lone offence.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Even if the stewards did try and make L and K sit do you think they would? No. 

 

People saying if L and K are full try the next block. Well N is the next block next to L...

Now youre being antagonising! There's J whatever it is next to k.

Look I love standing and I'd never go to a match again if i couldnt do so. But thats why i bought a ST in L.

I was in N when it was tried originally in 07 but once it became problematic i moved. Easy.

And yes if the club wanted to enforce the rules throughout the ground they would make us sit. They'd lose 100s of STHs but if you inflame the situation that badly in N then they could be willing to risk this.

[svensson]

Wow, I remember being banned from here for a couple of days and my thread taking off when I was having a laugh about rugby.

You continually prattle on like the Editor of the Daily Mail or LIKE (notice I say like not that you are, don't want you threatening libel, like you did to an earlier poster) the editor of a pre 2nd world war 2 Nazi Journal, and do you get banned???

Are you not only a club spokesman but also a Mod on here???

You have totally ignored the very reasonable argents of the people on here. Instead you appear to assume they are all old style hooligans who in some way are just determined to cause trouble rather than just trying to improve the atmosphere.

Have you even bothered reading all the posts???

Go and watch Arsenal, you know you want to or maybe even the Tigers.

Erm where have I said anything about Holigans or not wanting atmosphere? I think you just want to get your point across, answer the questions posed. Ohh and whilst you are reading, have a look where i sit....

[davieG]

My son was with a group of 5 friends, all in their mid thirties on the back row of the Kop (SK1) and they all stood up to celebrate a goal, now admittedly they stood for a a minute or so longer than those sat in the middle and bottom of the stand but hey we'd just scored a goal.

 

Before they could sit down two stewards marched up and grabbed one of them and ejected him from the stadium and banned him. No one could explain why he was chosen amongst the 5 even though he was 4 seats in out of the 5

 

It's maybe worth noting that he was the smallest at 5ft 6" the others all being over 6ft, 

 

It comes as no surprise to me that all 5 having been regular supporters since they were pre-teen none of them now go to matches at the KP.

 

The club seem to be completely blinkered to the fact that all these kids they are encouraging to be long time supporters of LCFC grow up to become young men and women many of whom have a different perspective on how they want to show their support for the team and then are systematically ignored, shunned and seemingly become unwanted.

[svensson]

I find it extremely obvious that in this case the rules have indeed been written wrongly. There is simply no way that an even moderately intelligent human being would put the family stand next to the most abusive part of the ground - the away fans. It does not make sense, therefore it should be moved.

I've explained that so many times now and no-one has been able to provide an adequate reason why my suggestion should not be carried out, am I to assume that my idea is a good one this being the case? I rather think so.

What amuses me most is that my suggestion actually provides more protection to children not less - I'm helping them not hindering them FFS. People are just resisting it because they don't want to tell me I'm right (which I am).

PS - apologies for the arrogance but I'm just fvcking right. Shifting the family stand over helps everyone so there's really no reason to go against the idea.

Your not though. It "calms" the section of the away fans that sit closest, therefore the authorites only need to monitor one side as opposed to two.. I take it back, you aren't very clever..

[Harry - LCFC]

Your not though. It "calms" the section of the away fans that sit closest, therefore the authorites only need to monitor one side as opposed to two.. I take it back, you aren't very clever..

 

That really is childish. You don't like my suggestion so you decide to insult me. Well let me say that I used to have respect for you a few posts back when we are discussing things in a civilised manner,.

 

And btw, if you're so concerned about the police then you must also favour scrapping L and K entirely as that way we can totally neutralise the away fans and the stadium as a whole. Then we'll need even fewer officers.

[Weller in Tights]

The club seem to be completely blinkered to the fact that all these kids they are encouraging to be long time supporters of LCFC grow up to become young men and women many of whom have a different perspective on how they want to show their support for the team and then are systematically ignored, shunned and seemingly become unwanted.

Don't come on here with your reasonable arguments matey, there are a handful of club fascists that will shoot you down straight away with their very 'sensible and grown up arguments'

( that was sarcasm by the way and its directed at the self righteous that seem to feel there never is two sides to an argument).

[Guest Bilo]

Your not though. It "calms" the section of the away fans that sit closest, therefore the authorites only need to monitor one side as opposed to two.. I take it back, you aren't very clever..

That last statement would have a great deal more impact if you could differentiate between 'your' and 'you're.'

[svensson]

That really is childish. You don't like my suggestion so you decide to insult me. Well let me say that I used to have respect for you a few posts back when we are discussing things in a civilised manner,.

And btw, if you're so concerned about the police then you must also favour scrapping L and K entirely as that way we can totally neutralise the away fans and the stadium as a whole. Then we'll need even fewer officers.

Then I am a child. You really haven't paid attention have you....

I have never once said I wanted to kill any atmosphere....

[Harry - LCFC]

Then I am a child. You really haven't paid attention have you....

I have never once said I wanted to kill any atmosphere....

 

But if we were to remove L and K that would calm the fans even further and then we'd need even fewer officers, which is a good thing as you pointed out.