Standers in N block ejected, Banned and cancelled season tickets

[svensson]

And I'm saying that it should also be tolerated on the other side of the away fans. It makes sense, why not allow standing in the two locations that attract those sort of fans?

Well why not? Because that's where the family stand is.

By putting it there the club has created a needless conflict of interests where standers want to shout and swear in N block while families want to protect their children from that type of behaviour. The obvious solution is to move the family stand and thus cater for the interests of both groups.

Why should it be tolerated? If a growing number emerge extra policing and stewarding will be required. Who will pay for this extra cost? As ive stated a million times, go stand where you are able to instead of causing a fuss for no reason.

[Dan]

I dread to think how poor our support will be in 15 years time at this rate. I really do. The Family Stand is where our future fans are and they're being brought up into this environment that singing sections are against the rules.

[svensson]

Nobody should be banned for standing at a football match, its quite simply absurd. This is the sort of fascist attitude that makes me think i will stick with my sky sports subscription, svensson is a typical nazi.

I may be a lot of things but I am by no means a Nazi, slanderous behaviour, tread carefully.

Who said I agree with banning, all i have said is, you know the rules, they were broken, therefore, stop moaning and bitchinh about it and act like a man and take the punishment, we live in an unjust world.

[svensson]

Wow. Has it really come to this? Calling your fellow fans a cheapo because you'd rather agree with the club and their extortionate prices and their unreasonable rules.

What a sad, miserable old man you are. Shame on you for discouraging youngsters who want to bring back the atmosphere to our home ground.

You can't be heard from where i sit. You aren't bringing anything back other than a bad attitude of which you believe you can do what you want.

And by no means old just a fair

Bit wiser than you...

[Guest Col city fan]

Nice diagram, but not the answer for me.

I actually think the club have it right by clamping down on N block standers. Lets face it they are standing to chant at the away end and be the "boys" .... There's a perfectly good section for that ... L Block ..... Everyone knows that's where to go if that's what your match day is for .... And in the past that's what my match day has been for.

The Family stand is for that - lads n dads, and bringing the missus along if you really can't dissuade her.

What you propose would simply move the problem of the interface between the guys that want to stand / be aggressive towards the opposing fans (fine by me) and the families that don't mind their kids watching that from a distance but don't want to be in the middle of it.

Seperate the two ends of the supporting spectrum with the away fans .... works just fine.

Club are enforcing it. That's fine by me.

Great post Waller...

Crikey I'm agreeing with you again!

[Harry - LCFC]

Why should it be tolerated? If a growing number emerge extra policing and stewarding will be required. Who will pay for this extra cost? As ive stated a million times, go stand where you are able to instead of causing a fuss for no reason.

 

Because that's how people want to watch the game - freedom of choice is a good thing. And they aren't kicking up a fuss for no reason, people want to get as near as possible to the away fans and L block is getting too full for that. Policing cost would be low I imagine and made up for in part by having more fans buying tickets.

 

Forgive me for making accusations but you seem to be another one who insists on punishing people rather than make an effort to allow for that type of fan. Why can't we make slight alterations to improve the experience of everyone?

[svensson]

Has something badly gone wrong in your life?

You sound quite a bitter nasty man, hopefully YOU aren't a teenager, because to be so bitter so young would be a tradegy.

Yeah loads has gone wrong, cretins like you support my club... Why if asked to do something by a man/woman in authority do you choose to ignore it? Is it big/clever? Are you better than them?

[svensson]

Because that's how people want to watch the game - freedom of choice is a good thing. And they aren't kicking up a fuss for no reason, people want to get as near as possible to the away fans and L block is getting too full for that. Policing cost would be low I imagine and made up for in part by having more fans buying tickets.

Forgive me for making accusations but you seem to be another one who insists on punishing people rather than make an effort to allow for that type of fan. Why can't we make slight alterations to improve the experience of everyone?

Not at all, i have said just be a man and take the punishment. The club have compromised, but its just not enough is it?

[Oasisedup]

I may be a lot of things but I am by no means a Nazi, slanderous behaviour, tread carefully.

Who said I agree with banning, all i have said is, you know the rules, they were broken, therefore, stop moaning and bitchinh about it and act like a man and take the punishment, we live in an unjust world.

 

Technically libellous, assuming it's untrue. It's not slanderous....

 

Yeah loads has gone wrong, cretins like you support my club... Why if asked to do something by a man/woman in authority do you choose to ignore it? Is it big/clever? Are you better than them?

 

That's a pretty weak argument, to be fair. The fact that someone "in authority" asks you to do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should comply.

[Guest MattP]

Jesus.   This is one of the most depressing threads I've read. What happened to English football fans?

 

It's a good job the Germans didn't all back down like this,  calling it a "pipe dream" and saying there is "no point" when the authorities tried to get them sitting down and the clubs started trying to charge extortionate prices at games.

 

Nothing worth having that's good every came easy, keep fighting it lads, stand, sing and try everything to get the atmosphere going. You might fail, but at least you'll have failed having not rolled over if you do, which is 100% more than what some people in this thread seem to have done.

[Guest MattP]

Why if asked to do something by a man/woman in authority do you choose to ignore it? Is it big/clever? Are you better than them?

 

You just need a gimp mask and you'll be the full package.

[purpleronnie]

Jesus.   This is one of the most depressing threads I've read. What happened to English football fans?

 

It's a good job the Germans didn't all back down like this,  calling it a "pipe dream" and saying there is "no point" when the authorities tried to get them sitting down and the clubs started trying to charge extortionate prices at games.

 

Nothing worth having that's good every came easy, keep fighting it lads, stand, sing and try everything to get the atmosphere going. You might fail, but at least you'll have failed having not rolled over if you do, which is 100% more than what some people in this thread seem to have done.

Its not just Germans either, you see/read it all the time from all around the world.  It seems we are alone in the apathy towards the supporter culture of the beautiful game.

[Kitchandro]

It seems the fairness people are asking for is to be able to do what they want. The 'i'm not hurting anyone' or 'i've paid my money' argument is tired, ridiculous and irrelevent.

Grounds were made all seater for a reason. Not sure if we need reminding of that reason but the reason is there. Many say that Hillsborough and Heisel were isolated incidents and that is completely true, however the all seater stadium was implemented to prevent it happening again and for all of the brovado about fans vs stewards (fvck the ***** if they try and stop us etc) if god forbid something did happen resulting in a death, would your evidence at the inquest be, 'well I paid for my ticket so there'.

I know there are some logistical problems but it seems that if you want to stand, you'll have to go to the area where standing in the ground is tolerated. Personally I think it would be great if eventually the majority of that stand was people standing. If people flock there then the growth is unavoidable but I doubt it will happen to that extent.

If you take the stance of 'fvck em, we'll do whar we want', you wont win and to be honest, there will be few who have any sympathy.

 

Grounds were made all seater so the authorities could control the fans. If you think it's got anything to do with the safety of the actual ground you're living in a world of make believe.

 

I'm not sure how death even comes in to the equation. How are you assuming someone would die by standing in a seating area?

[svensson]

Technically libellous, assuming it's untrue. It's not slanderous....

That's a pretty weak argument, to be fair. The fact that someone "in authority" asks you to do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should comply.

You are missing the point... Folk in this day and age cry about the punishment that they are given for what is perceived as wrong doing in the clubs eyes. Why not accept it and move on? Try a different angle of approach instead of the tired " i do what i want" bollox.. Because lets be honest, non of you do...

[Dan]

It's a pipedream Dan.

The atmosphere within football stadia in the 80's wasn't only about and indicative of the stadia themselves. It simply reflected broader society.

To be honest, when in the Spion Kops, you could pretty much do what you wanted, within reason.

Now there is Health and Safety, CCTV, Risk-Assessment and a society Hell bent on litigation. Who can get what from whom reigns... We have become like the US and are going more that way.

This societal change is reflected in football stadia.

As someone said earlier, it will be a case of you only have to belch in the wrong place and you'll have do-gooders wanting you kicked-out of the ground because you're a 'trouble-maker'.

This won't change I don't think. In fact, it will go ever more this way.

To take safe-standing as an example. If it ever comes in, I bet it would take one, just one adverse incident to happen, and the whole thing will be closed-down again and all-seater stadia will return.

Can you stop the tide of litigation, Health and Safety and people moaning about anything they fookin want to?

No, I doubt it.

Will nights like we had at Filbert Street ever re-occur? I doubt it, but let's hope they do. They were fantastic.

Singing and atmosphere can happen. You only had to watch the Celtic game last night where just about the whole ground was singing. But I can't see that happening at the KP. I'd like to, but I can't.

 

Can see your point here sadly Col. Just on a personal level I refuse to buy into this OTT H/S shite and don't need someone who's completely out of touch with reality telling me what I can and can't do.

[svensson]

You just need a gimp mask and you'll be the full package.

Thats clever...

[Kitchandro]

You can't be heard from where i sit. You aren't bringing anything back other than a bad attitude of which you believe you can do what you want.

And by no means old just a fair

Bit wiser than you...

 

The bad attitude is from people like you. You sit back and judge others for their attempt to bring back something other than moaning at the players back to a football atmosphere.

 

By the way I have been K all season, not N.

[Guest MattP]

Thats clever...

 

Don't expect the rest of us to put up with it just because a few people are so clumsy they need to walk around with crash helmets and armbands on all day.

 

Most people are capable of getting through life without being depandant on a man in a fluorescent vest telling them where they can and can't stand, what they can and can't say and what they can and can't do.

 

Fcuk the Nanny State.

[svensson]

The bad attitude is from people like you. You sit back and judge others for their attempt to bring back something other than moaning at the players back to a football atmosphere.

By the way I have been K all season, not N.

Not at all just fed up with folk who cry about stuff when they are in the wrong.. I am also K..

[Guest MattP]

Even your avatar looks miserable.

[Dan]

Jesus.   This is one of the most depressing threads I've read. What happened to English football fans?

 

It's a good job the Germans didn't all back down like this,  calling it a "pipe dream" and saying there is "no point" when the authorities tried to get them sitting down and the clubs started trying to charge extortionate prices at games.

 

Nothing worth having that's good every came easy, keep fighting it lads, stand, sing and try everything to get the atmosphere going. You might fail, but at least you'll have failed having not rolled over if you do, which is 100% more than what some people in this thread seem to have done.

 

It really is sad to see the country who pretty much brought it all in be the ones who roll over and let it die. We must be the only country in the world where this happens.

[svensson]

Don't expect the rest of us to put up with it just because a few people are so clumsy they need to walk around with crash helmets and armbands on all day.

Most people are capable of getting through life without being depandant on a man in a fluorescent vest telling them where they can and can't stand, what they can and can't say and what they can and can't do.

Fcuk the Nanny State.

Yeah right on, power to the people, you sound like a proper crusader! no doubt you will have benefited from the Nanny state... So if you are caught doing something wrong should you accept the punishment like a man? Or cry about it... The result of a nanny state would be the latter, of which the majority of posters on here are doing.. So which one are you? You either agree with me or you agree with a nanny state... Decisions, decisions..

[Bettsj2]

Grounds were made all seater so the authorities could control the fans. If you think it's got anything to do with the safety of the actual ground you're living in a world of make believe.

I'm not sure how death even comes in to the equation. How are you assuming someone would die by standing in a seating area?

Yes so they could control the fans and not have masses surging into an already crowded area, causing disaster. I'm not saying I completely agree with the theory of all seater stadium but the sole purpose of the all seater stadium is Ground safety. The control of the fans is just a bi-product of that.

Obviously i'm not saying just by standing someone will drop dead, what i'm saying is if you carry out a risk assessment of the ground (which are regularly done) there is more risk of an accident occuring where a group are standing in an area designed for seating than there is if people are sitting in an area designed for seating.

The club have the view that in L block there is a large standing contingent that they tolerate but try to control through ST only and additional stewarding etc, but if more standing sections appear throughout the ground, the risks of something occuring increase and the club are open to exposure.

Now please dont think i'm against standing because i'm not. All i'm saying is there is a bigger picture than just 'I wanna fvcking stand where I like'. There's an unnofficial standing section that isnt under any threat so use it.

[svensson]

Yes so they could control the fans and not have masses surging into an already crowded area, causing disaster. I'm not saying I completely agree with the theory of all seater stadium but the sole purpose of the all seater stadium is Ground safety. The control of the fans is just a bi-product of that.

Obviously i'm not saying just by standing someone will drop dead, what i'm saying is if you carry out a risk assessment of the ground (which are regularly done) there is more risk of an accident occuring where a group are standing in an area designed for seating than there is if people are sitting in an area designed for seating.

The club have the view that in L block there is a large standing contingent that they tolerate but try to control through ST only and additional stewarding etc, but if more standing sections appear throughout the ground, the risks of something occuring increase and the club are open to exposure.

Now please dont think i'm against standing because i'm not. All i'm saying is there is a bigger picture than just 'I wanna fvcking stand where I like'. There's an unnofficial standing section that isnt under any threat so use it.

Couldn't agree more.

[Corky]

You are missing the point... Folk in this day and age cry about the punishment that they are given for what is perceived as wrong doing in the clubs eyes. Why not accept it and move on? Try a different angle of approach instead of the tired " i do what i want" bollox.. Because lets be honest, non of you do...

 

Plenty of little kids have done wrong in the Family Stand. Some used to make card aeroplanes out of the flyers handed out, one hitting a small lad who sat behind me. Did the stewards throw them out? Did the stewards remove kids who threw sweets around in the Family Stand?

 

I think you know the answer. So yeah, throwing out someone for standing, which will cause no injury, is wrong when they've overlooked potentially dangerous behaviour from the beloved kids and parents they adore.